noirish Los Angeles

[Bristolian]

Regarding Cannibal and the Headhunters, they were one of the opening acts for The Beatles second American tour including two shows at The Hollywood Bowl in August of 1965.

http://americansabor.org/musicians/c...nd-headhunters

[oldstuff]

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson

Can you see any bricks? ; )

I don't see any in that area ( and I do look, since I drive by every day). There are, however, some around the roots of the large ficus trees down the street aways. They are at the base of the second tree, just northeast of the corner of Second and Beaudry, on the north side of the street. There are two or three there. The tree has grown around them so they have been there awhile. I can't stop and look at them closely since I am on my way to work when I drive by and there is no parking there, but maybe someone with more time can go see if they have any distinctive markings.

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

'mystery' photograph.


The only information with this photo is "932. S. Hope St., Los Angeles, 1922"


http://lit250v.library.ucla.edu/isla...t/laviews%3A92

Does anyone know what building this is/was?

here's the area today.

google_earth
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The Chandler Motor Car Co. at 932 S. Hope appears in the copy for an ad in the L.A. Times on 1/25/1920. The Walter M. Murphy Motors Co. is there on 3/25/1925.

[oldstuff]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Last night I came across this excellent photograph of L.A.'s first female doctor Mary S. Ertl M.D.
[the seller is asking $350.00]


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1910s-Dr-Mar...3D301872354049


Here's the seller's description:

"Extremely RARE original photo of the first female doctor in Los Angeles. Dr Mary Ertl is widely believed to be the first woman to serve the Los Angeles area.
This is an unpublished photo of her and family members in front of her doctors office at 4003 Carmona St."


But if you look closely, the street number on the front of the bungalow is not 4003.


detail

Anyone feel like trying to solve this 'mystery'?


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*Mary's original monument (shown at the top of the post), was damaged (more like decapitated) in the 1920 earthquake, and is now inside this mausoleum at Forest Lawn.


http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/2...-graves-6.html




See...there she is inside, all repaired!


http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/ne...hoto/564021199
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*but there's another monument in Inglewood Park Cemetery.


http://www.inglewoodparkcemetery.com...arts/ertl.html

"This monument replaced an earlier one that was damaged in the earthquake of June 21, 1920.
The original was removed and repaired, and is now housed inside Dr. Ertl's private mausoleum
at Forest Lawn, Glendale."

"There is some debate on which one actually holds her remains." -eBay seller.

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In 1907 Mary Ertl, MD is listed with her husband Joseph, a butcher, as living at 1195 E. 40th in Los Angeles. She had been on Carmona previously and is listed there in 1902. It does not say, in that directory, if it is 40th street, avenue, place or whatever. Now there is only 40th Place and while some of the houses on that street are the right vintage, they don't match exactly to the one in the old photo. 40th between Figueroa and San Pedro is now part of MLK Blvd., but there the numbers do not match. Another address for her, at another time, is at 3927 Naomi Avenue, a street which crosses MLK currently. There is a parking lot on that corner and across the (Naomi) street is an apartment house. This might have been the location, but in either case, the house is no longer there. Since the apartment house on MLK takes up two former lots, the very edge of the house next door to the right in the old photo cannot now be seen either so that does not help in narrowing it down.

[ethereal_reality]

odinthor wrote:

"The Chandler Motor Car Co. at 932 S. Hope appears in the copy for an ad in the L.A. Times on 1/25/1920. The Walter M. Murphy Motors Co. is there on 3/25/1925."


Thank for the information odinthor.

Hoss posted an ad for the Murphy Motors Co. awhile back.

Originally Posted by BifRayRock, detail by HossC

Detail of picture in Huntington Digital Library

The picture of Charlie Root was a publicity photograph for Walter M Murphy Motors Company. Here's their advert from the 1926 CD, showing their Hudson-Essex dealership was at 932 S Hope Street.


LAPL

But still no photograph of the car dealership.

except of course for my snapshot.



Perhaps the car dealership shows up in some aerials.
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[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by oldstuff

In 1907 Mary Ertl, MD is listed with her husband Joseph, a butcher, as living at 1195 E. 40th in Los Angeles. She had been on Carmona previously and is listed there in 1902. It does not say, in that directory, if it is 40th street, avenue, place or whatever. Now there is only 40th Place and while some of the houses on that street are the right vintage, they don't match exactly to the one in the old photo. 40th between Figueroa and San Pedro is now part of MLK Blvd., but there the numbers do not match. Another address for her, at another time, is at 3927 Naomi Avenue, a street which crosses MLK currently. There is a parking lot on that corner and across the (Naomi) street is an apartment house. This might have been the location, but in either case, the house is no longer there. Since the apartment house on MLK takes up two former lots, the very edge of the house next door to the right in the old photo cannot now be seen either so that does not help in narrowing it down.

Very interesting information oldstuff. Thanks so much for your help.
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[Martin Pal]

Thanks, E_R and HossC for the Matson Lines office and ship photos. Their famous liners are somewhat of an interest of mine.



Below, an ad for the Matsonia's maiden voyage to Hawaii from Los Angeles.




The S.S. Lurline sails from Los Angeles harbor in 1941.


Here are two Herman Schultheis photos, in the noirish vein, from 1937:

LAPL image via Water & Power Associates

People stand on the dock at the Los Angeles Harbor watching the S. S. Monterey arrive in the fog.


LAPL image via Water & Power Associates

Two women stand by a line of waiting cars watching the S. S. Monterey move into dock at Berth 156 at the Los Angeles Harbor.


Speaking of Berth 156, here's a souvenir photo taken at L.A.H.D. Berth 156. The source (New Found Photography Blogspot) has no date for this photo.



S.S. Lurline



It appears the photo was taken from the Lurline on sailing day as it was departing, or waiting for departure, as there are streamers starting to fill the air, and everyone looks as though they'd like to be aboard!




John Flores Associates, Inc. / Shipboard Photographer / P.O. Box 3093 Olympic Station / Beverly Hills, California

Matson's passenger ships to Hawaii were frequented by the Hollywood crowd before and after World War II and dozens of shipboard photos of them can be found
and some celebrities, Cornel Wilde for example, appeared in print advertisements. During World War II, Matson's passenger ships were converted to troop carriers.

If anyone's interested, two appealing books on the subject are:

To Honolulu in Five Days: Cruising Aboard Matson's S.S. Lurline
(specifically about the Lurline)


The White Ships: A Tribute to Matson’s Luxury Liners
(a history of the “white ships” – the Malolo, Mariposa,
Monterey, Lurline and Matsonia – from 1927 to 1978,
told through timelines, text and hundreds of photographs)

[ethereal_reality]

Slauson Slim wrote:

In the early to 1960s to about 1968 there was a big East LA music scene, later called the The Eastside Sound, with public dances every weekend and sometimes during the week, and bands also appearing at high schools, junior high schools and church halls. The sound was R&B and Soul based, with British Invasion and Doo-Wop thrown in.

The bands and followers were mostly Mexican-American. It was our scene and our sound - I used to go to the dances even though I lived in South Central.

Bands included Thee Midniters, The Premiers, Ronnie and the Pomona Casuals, The Slauson Brothers, Cannibal and the Headhunters, The Blendells, The Jaguars, The Romancers, The Salsas Brothers and many others.

Venues include the Montebello Ballroom, Big Union - pictured above, Little Union, St. Alphonsus - the ones I recall, but there are others.

It was a wonderful, vibrant scene, with great music, kids dressed up and going out and dancing.

Cannibal and the Headhunters and The Premiers made it nationally - having charted hits, touring and on television. Thee Midniters were extremely popular, appearing several times every week in various venues and making real money. I remember girls getting their arms and other body parts autographed by Little Wille G, their lead singer.

The scene died out, I think, due to the Vietnam War taking many young men into military service, the rise of Chicano Power, the school walkouts and political consciousness, cultural shifting toward hippies, and teenagers growing up.
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Excellent information SS!

Originally Posted by Bristolian

Regarding Cannibal and the Headhunters, they were one of the opening acts for The Beatles second American tour including two shows at The Hollywood Bowl in August of 1965.

http://americansabor.org/musicians/c...nd-headhunters

Thanks for the link Bristolian.

"Formed in East Los Angeles, California, in 1964 after Frankie “Cannibal” Garcia joined up with the vocal trio Bobby & the Classics (Robert “Rabbit” Jaramillo, his younger brother Joe “Yo Yo” Jaramillo, and Richard “Scar” Lopez), the band was initiated into doo-wop singing by their soulful mentors and neighbors Tommy Keyes and The Showcases and Zulu and The Warrios who also lived in the same housing project. In less than a year they were signed by Eddie Davis to his small label, Rampart Records, and soon were racing up the charts with their rendition of a little-known R&B song."

That must have been a very noisy housing project.

I take it they're talking about Ramona Gardens.(see below)


https://www.flickr.com/photos/michae...on/11029766816


Here's an amazing poster from the link Bristolian provided.

These are all bands from East Los Angeles!


http://americansabor.org/musicians/c...nd-headhunters

This time the venue is the Shrine Auditorium.

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[jg6544]

Originally Posted by HossC

Thanks to NCD for the historical informaion on the bank at 514 S Spring Street, and to Mstimc for a very plausible explanation of the seating in the DWP building.


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Today we have the Brentwood Savings building, as photographed by Julius Shulman in 1965. It's "Job 3804: Kurt Meyer, Brentwood Savings (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1964".
NB. I've left out a few images from this set.
The building, at 12011 San Vicente Boulevard, is now a branch of Comerica Bank. Trees in the median prevent me from getting a better shot, but it looks virtually unchanged. There's even still a pharmacy next door.


GSV

The water feature at the back has been filled in with a small hedge.


GSV

Comerica Bank trashed the hell out of that one!

[jg6544]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Day Trippers

Here's a fine looking group dressed to the nines, arriving in Santa Monica on the Pasadena & Pacific RR, 1896.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/SANTA-MONICA...IAAOSwJQdW~c27

I am in awe of the way they're dressed up.

reverse

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AND, the light rail opens all the way to Santa Monica next month!

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

odinthor wrote:

"The Chandler Motor Car Co. at 932 S. Hope appears in the copy for an ad in the L.A. Times on 1/25/1920. The Walter M. Murphy Motors Co. is there on 3/25/1925."


Thank for the information odinthor.

Hoss posted an ad for the Murphy Motors Co. awhile back.


But still no photograph of the car dealership.

except of course for my snapshot.

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Your wish is my command:



(Credit in image.)

Bonus:

Los Angeles Times, 11/11/17:

Announcement has been made by Earl V. Armstrong, Inc., the Chandler distributors, that the new home for Chandler cars at No. 932 South Hope street is expected to be ready for occupancy immediately following the automobile show that begins tomorrow. The work on the exterior of the building is now practically completed and the large force of artisans is now devoting its time and efforts to finishing up the interior.

The salesroom will be one of the largest and finest in appointment in the city. It will be 40x70 feet in dimensions and the ceiling is twenty-one feet high. Despite the size of the room it will be entirely free from posts or any other obstruction. The idea of Mr. Armstrong and A.S. Heineman, the architect, has been to devise a room of harmonious simplicity and to heighten this effect the structural beams in the ceiling will be left exposed. The walls will be finished in French caen stone to carry out the same textural appearance as the concrete of the building.

Of brown mahogany, the woodwork and trimming will be especially neat and artistic. The tile floor will be laid out in the effect of twenty-four-inch flags composed of a special hard-burned, nonporous flint tile outlined with one-inch, jet black vitreous tile. The color effect of the floor will be grizzly brown and black, which is said to be a novelty and certain to prove very serviceable, as well.

The room will be without desks for the salesmen, who will have their accommodations in another room. Persons interested in the Chandler car may inspect the various models on display free from molestation on the part of salesmen. A floor man will be in charge to answer any questions or make suggestions upon request. This plan has been decided upon by the Armstrong organization in order that owners of Chandler cars and prospective buyers may feel at liberty to call at their pleasure and learn to enjoy their visits.

Directly back of the salesroom will be a special reflection room. The walls will be covered entirely with French plate mirrors. A car will be placed in the center so that it may be seen from all angles. Many persons like to know how they look when seated in a car and this mirrored room, which is a unique feature distinctive to the new Chandler home, will satisfy this desire to the utmost.

Los Angeles Times 11/9/1930:

The National Cash Register Company through C.U. Whifen, sales agent, has leased the two-story and basement building, 100 x 150 feet, at 932 South Hope street […]. The company plans extensive alteration and improvements in the structure, it is reported.

[HossC]

Thanks to e_r and Martin Pal for the Matson Lines follow-ups.


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From Julius Shulman today we the Firestone Tire and Rubber Company Headquarters. This is "Job 2682: Pereira & Luckman, Firestone Tire and Rubber Company Headquarters (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1958". I'll start with the "So Calif District Office/Machine Accounting Office" end of the building.
NB. I've omitted one of the color images, and several black & white ones which either duplcated the color shots or each other.



At the other end was the "Industrial Products Office".



And here's the company logo.



Now onto the black & white photos.



I've enlarged the left side of the picture above to show the upright sign. Does the sign behind say "Michael's"?



This is the only interior shot.



All from Getty Research Institute

The second image above is for sale at juliusshulman.org, if you've got a spare $395. The exterior wall looks fire engine red in their preview.

I nearly had to post this as a mystery location. Then I found a 1957 series of aerial construction photos, including this one, at LAPL. It shows the building on Telegraph Road, south of E Washington Boulevard. Assuming that I read the sign correctly, that must be Michael's in the lower-left corner.


LAPL

The aerial view below shows the building in 2004. Note the vertical sign still standing just left of the "E" of the "E Washington Boulevard" label. The Michael's building disappeared between 1994 and 2003.


Historic Aerials

Sadly, by the time the Googlemobile made its first visit in 2007, all that was left was this pile of dirt. You'll now find a Costco Business Center on the site.


GSV

[ethereal_reality]

I really like the modern look of the front of the Firestone building Hoss. (I'm surprised it wasn't closer to the Firestone Plant on Firestone Blvd.)

That Michael's place looks really interesting in the aerial. I hope we can find out more about it.

detail / Michael's


and it's quite popular! look at all those cars.

Originally Posted by odinthor

You found a picture of the 'mystery' building! Excellent sleuthing odinthor.

Thanks so much for your help.

932 S. Hope [no date]

http://lit250v.library.ucla.edu/isla...t/laviews%3A92

I'm trying to match my 'arched' window. (maybe by 1925, it's hidden under that horizontal rectangular area)

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[odinthor]

In re: 932 S. Hope (or at least 936).

By 1966, either the National Cash Register Company (better known to us today as NCR) had moved a couple of doors down the street, or (more likely) they incorporated several adjoining buildings and used address 936. A few items perhaps of interest about address 936:

--L.A. Times, February 20, 1966:

“The previous NCR Los Angeles headquarters was at 936 S. Hope St., in downtown Los Angeles. That building, which includes some 40,000 square feet of office space, service shops, auditoriums and machine demonstration facilities, has taken on a new role in NCR’s expanded Los Angeles operations.

“It has been dedicated entirely as a service center, providing an operating hub for 218 technicians and some 130 vehicles which maintain the firm’s cash registers, business machines and computers on a hectic, six-day, 16-hour schedule.”

--L.A. Times, May 19, 1968, finds the building’s tenant as the Retail Merchants Credit Assn.—formerly housed in the Subway Terminal Building—and installing “a 2,300-square-foot computer operation.” To accommodate the computer system, they were raising the floor “9 inches above the concrete floor to allow space for hundreds of feet of cable equipment,” and were lowering the ceiling “to 8 feet and air conditioning equipment was installed above it.”

By April 25, 1971, the changes were completed and the building was ready for occupancy.

By January 9, 1979, the building was unoccupied, and, worse, “Three women pedestrians suffered minor injuries Monday when a façade of concrete and wire mesh tore loose” from the building. “City firemen said chunks of the 70-foot-long façade dropped about 25 feet to the sidewalk shortly before noon. The firemen climbed up and knocked down the rest of the ornamental work. A policeman at the scene speculated that the façade may have been weakened by the recent earthquake and rain” (L.A. Times, 1/9/79).

[ethereal_reality]

Excellent posts on the Matson Line HossC & Martin_Pal.


I can't tell you how much I LOVE this photograph. It makes me happy just to look at it.


originally posted by Martin Pal

Bon Voyage!
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*I just noticed one guy who might be crying among all that jubilation. -he's wiping his eyes with a white hanky.

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Excellent posts on the Matson Line HossC & Martin_Pal.


I can't tell you how much I LOVE this photograph. It makes me happy just to look at it.


originally posted by Martin Pal

Bon Voyage!
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*I just noticed one guy might be crying among all that jubilation. -he's wiping his face with a white hanky.

The people on the ship throw paper streamers to the crowd below which is symbolic of their ties to the people on the pier.

My parents were on this pier when their best friends sailed to Hawaii in 1953. They were sad that they did not go with them. My stepdad wanted to spend the $400 trip cost on his businesses. [$3,550 in 2016]
Here is his friend that did go to Hawaii...Earl Glende and wife.
Earl was a great person. He once bought me a silver cap gun and a shirt from Hawaii. He retired at age 50 with a bankroll from his days in Chicago in advertising display and billboards. His health was not that good as he only had one kidney and passed away in California at age 59.


1953

CD file

[BifRayRock]

http://giphy.com/gifs/superman-crowd...-caz2nQAfrVuXS

Originally Posted by HossC

Today we have the Brentwood Savings building, as photographed by Julius Shulman in 1965. It's "Job 3804: Kurt Meyer, Brentwood Savings (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1964".
NB. I've left out a few images from this set.



The building, at 12011 San Vicente Boulevard, is now a branch of Comerica Bank. Trees in the median prevent me from getting a better shot, but it looks virtually unchanged. There's even still a pharmacy next door.


GSV

A few miles east on San Vicente (6316) is a similar look that replaced the Carthay Circle theater.

GSV

[ethereal_reality]

'mystery' photograph.



This curious photograph was included in an article on the 2015 Pasadena Cheeseburger Week.

Frustratingly, a description of the photo wasn't included.

Here's the article.
http://www.doghaus.com/press/in-the-...rger-week.html

Has anyone seen this photograph before?
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[ethereal_reality]

I just found another image of the photograph at http://hometown-pasadena.com/eat-dri...eburger/118985

This one is a bit better.


Photo courtesy of Don Sternberger

To me, the 'rite spot' lettering looks fake; like it's been added later. Is someone trying to pull the wool over our eyes?

Supposedly, it was the first place to slap some cheese on a burger.

"served to a customer in 1924 at the Rite Spot in Pasadena."
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[BifRayRock]

And then there is this version of the the famous RITE SPOT.
http://lameekly.tumblr.com/post/8438...e-cheeseburger (See also http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...postcount=9204)

FWIW, a "Lionel Sternberger" is listed in the '34CD at 6148 N. Figueroa.

No idea whether purported cheeseburger inventor is connected with this image of "Wild Bill CUmmings" and "Lionel Sternberger" (right?) in a "Boyle Products Special" racing car taken somewhere associated with Los Angeles, circa '35.
(Stanford.edu)


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