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Old Posted Feb 4, 2023, 2:49 PM
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Social Issues in Hamilton (Homelessness Drug Abuse etc)

Ya but they don't need to be lying down to be loitering. They sit and congregate just like they do all over downtown
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Ya but they don't need to be lying down to be loitering. They sit and congregate just like they do all over downtown
..but that's the whole point of a bench, to attract people to sit and talk amongst each other is it not..?

Are we now more concerned with the type of people sitting in these benches? Bench nimfyism haha - "not in my front yard" - shoo shoo you bums lol..

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Reduces here, maybe. Increases elsewhere.
Sadly there is not much you can do about that, can't fix peoples brains or cure addiction, unless you wanna bring back lobotomies
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..but that's the whole point of a bench, to attract people to sit and talk amongst each other is it not..?

Are we now more concerned with the type of people sitting in these benches? Bench nimfyism haha - "not in my front yard" - shoo shoo you bums lol..



Sadly there is not much you can do about that, can't fix peoples brains or cure addiction, unless you wanna bring back lobotomies
You definitely can cure addiction. Unfortunately that's not what we do in this country.
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You definitely can cure addiction. Unfortunately that's not what we do in this country.
Well to be fair, nobody can cure addiction FOR you - they can only guide YOU to cure it YOURSELF. And if someone just doesn't want to be cured plain and simple, then no, you cannot.
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..but that's the whole point of a bench, to attract people to sit and talk amongst each other is it not..?

Are we now more concerned with the type of people sitting in these benches? Bench nimfyism haha - "not in my front yard" - shoo shoo you bums lol..

I'm guessing you've never spent half a million dollars on a residence ... and if so I'm sure you wouldn't want Crack heads and drug dealers camped out on your front door step .... not nimbyism... people sitting and chatting is one thing. People camping out and making an unsafe environment on your door step is another


Sadly there is not much you can do about that, can't fix peoples brains or cure addiction, unless you wanna bring back lobotomies
I'm guessing you've never spent half a million dollars on a residence ... and if so I'm sure you wouldn't want Crack heads and drug dealers camped out on your front door step .... not nimbyism... people sitting and chatting is one thing. People camping out and making an unsafe environment on your door step is another
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2023, 8:30 PM
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Fantastic piece out of the National Post this morning on the disaster that is Vancouver's Downtown East Side and failing progressive drug policies.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/may...ame-and-stigma

Adam Pankratz: Maybe B.C.'s drug addicts should have to face shame and stigma
Anyone who has driven or walked down East Hastings can tell you that the lax approach to drugs has only created more suffering

Author of the article:Adam Pankratz, Special to National Post




VANCOUVER — B.C. has decriminalized drug possession of 2.5 grams of cocaine, MDMA, meth and opioids, including heroin. Those in favour hail it as a victory against stigma, while opponents worry it will have unintended consequences. We will leave the public policy debate to others, but will ask another very pertinent question: what’s wrong with stigma?

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We, as a society claim we don’t like to stigmatize or judge and say shame is bad. But this is to act foolishly: shame and stigma are how we show errant members of society that they need to reform their ways and change for the better. Looking around the world these days, one can’t help but feel that a little more shame would go a long way.

Despite shame and stigma’s positive restraint effect on many human urges, anyone with a desire to push through a “progressive change” for the alleged better will inevitably raise the negative spectre of stigma and shame in the face of opposition, often followed by raising the bedfellow of victim blaming. This, they feel, lends credence to their argument. The thought of shaming or stigmatizing someone will, so the social justice warrior hopes, compel a meek capitulation from their opponents, who ultimately seek not to be labelled regressive and heartless.

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The notion that stigma is harmful to those hurting themselves or others is obviously disingenuous. Paradoxically, it is also its own form of shame and stigma. The difference is simply directional: progressive shaming confers virtue on those who mete it out for the right reasons, while regressive shame is the scorn poured on those who are uncomfortable with the idea that previously illegal or harmful activity should no longer be condemned.

We in B.C. have a drug problem to be sure. Opioid deaths are intolerably high. The people afflicted need support, but incredulity at the decriminalization approach should be taken more seriously than it currently is. Anyone in Vancouver who has driven or, God forbid, walked down East Hastings in our Downtown Eastside can tell you that the lax approach taken in recent years has only created more suffering.

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The now godforsaken hell hole of human misery that the neighbourhood has become, has been a long slow slide that began with neglect and is fuelled by indifferent tolerance to drug abuse and crime. For years, politicians, most recently Vancouver’s former mayor Kennedy Stewart, have sought more allegedly progressive and less confrontational solutions to rampant drug use and addiction. The results are easily observable to any visitor to that area of town: tent-filled and garbage strewn streets of human suffering for blocks and blocks in Vancouver’s historic centre. All this, despite a price tag of $5 billion per year on social services. It’s not working and it’s hard to see how further decriminalization will improve the situation.

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Indeed, if the non-response to the homeless (and drug) problem in other Vancouver neighbourhoods is any indication, it won’t. In 2020, a homeless encampment in the Strathcona neighbourhood that was left to fester ended with citizens attacked and newborn babies being threatened with rape and death with a stick. Call me old fashioned, but I’d like to stigmatize that kind of behaviour rather that pursue decriminalization.

“Decriminalization” or “following the science” are terms that have a sweet progressive ring and as such is the oft-favoured option for (non) action of politicians on the entire west coast. The problem is, the science proves very difficult indeed to follow, if it exists at all. Who can forget California’s effective decriminalization of theft under $950? How’s that working out? The shuttered doors of San Francisco shops scream a tale of woe, sorrow and business dreams shattered. The rampant drug use there is also no positive harbinger for Vancouver residents.

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In Portland, following riots which torched and smashed the city in 2020, the police referred over 1,000 cases to the district attorney, which declined to prosecute over 70 per cent of them. Portland, a city once renowned for its cafés, breweries and nightlife is a hollow, unsafe shell of its former self.

It seems reasonable to ask if a little bit of good ol’ shame and stigma here wouldn’t help matters. Shame of stealing. Shame of vandalism. Shame of drug use. We don’t value these attributes as a society, so why no stigma? Were my daughter to behave in any of the above described ways, shame would be first on the list, followed immediately by stigma and repentance.

In writing that, I can hear the twitter elect sharpening their blades ready to pounce with murderous relish upon me and my ilk to hurl such opinions in the trash. They would, as it were, seek to shame me to more considerate, empathetic and politically acceptable opinions and behaviours. Shame, it would seem, is actually fine; it’s only the political direction of its application that makes it offensive.


City of Vancouver workers clean the sidewalks in the Downtown Eastside with a police escort in Vancouver, BC., on June 19, 2022. (NICK PROCAYLO/PNG)

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"Fantastic piece out of the National Post" is an oxymoron. If shame and stigma did anything to curb drug addition the US would be the most drug-free country on earth.
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Vancouver's downtown eastside was a disaster 40 years ago when I made my first visit to the city. I remember stepping around and over the junkies back then. Anything they can do to fix it is an improvement. The National post is a right wing rag promoting the talking points of the CPC.
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City council trying to pass an injection site at 746 Barton St E tomorrow morning. Terrible location for an injection site.

200m from St. Ann Catholic Elementary
500m from Prince of Wales Elementary
746 Barton St E backs up onto residential properties

What is The AIDS Network and Hamilton City Council thinking? Specifically Nrinder Nann and The AIDS Network.
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City council trying to pass an injection site at 746 Barton St E tomorrow morning. Terrible location for an injection site.

200m from St. Ann Catholic Elementary
500m from Prince of Wales Elementary
746 Barton St E backs up onto residential properties

What is The AIDS Network and Hamilton City Council thinking? Specifically Nrinder Nann and The AIDS Network.
The way Nann has handled this proposal is absolutely awful all done in secrecy and shutting the public out. Residents keep asking her for the need of another safe injection site in Ward 3 when there is one already being built on Cannon/Ashley. Data shows the hotspot for ODs is in Ward 2 but Nann runs her ward like a dictatorship, I'm surprised people voted for her again.
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Know the players. Nann is just a schill for Green as will be jama....extreme left moniker for this group doesnt go far enough do your DD.
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City council trying to pass an injection site at 746 Barton St E tomorrow morning. Terrible location for an injection site.
its the perfect location

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sounds great
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sounds great
How is it a "perfect location", it's located right beside a school...
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How is it a "perfect location", it's located right beside a school...
there are lots of schools in Hamilton. Unless you put it up in the industrial area, it's going to be close to a school. The old Hamilton Urban Core safe injection site on Rebecca was 200 metres from Dr. J.E. Davey Elementary School. That's the nature of an urban setting.
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sounds great

I provided reasons why it is not. I would like to hear why this location is "perfect".
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I'd prefer to see my tax money spent on police and enforcing the law.

Funny how not one of the radicals that took over City Council the other week actually own a house and pay taxes in this city. All Mac students with lots of time on their hands and no skin in the game.
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two things I have never seen. A flying pig.
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a sanctimonious radical council member or legal services group offer to house these folks on their lawns, parks, schools where their children go.

Perhaps someone can publish the addresses of these arseholes so we can hand out flyers at the encampments. I will.
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two things I have never seen. A flying pig.
and...
a sanctimonious radical council member or legal services group offer to house these folks on their lawns, parks, schools where their children go.

Perhaps someone can publish the addresses of these arseholes so we can hand out flyers at the encampments. I will.
My house backs onto a park that had an encampment last summer. It was unbelievable. Parties all night, open drug use, feces in the park, needles left in the grass for kids to step on. Wild stuff. No reasonable person would tolerate that behavior. But a certain few councillors, and a bunch of radical bleed your heart out progressive activists are totally sheltered from it.
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two things I have never seen. A flying pig.
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a sanctimonious radical council member or legal services group offer to house these folks on their lawns, parks, schools where their children go.

Perhaps someone can publish the addresses of these arseholes so we can hand out flyers at the encampments. I will.
Some of their addressed are available on the City of Hamilton website under List of Certified Candidates. I expect Nann to be accommodating if anyone shows up at her house and asks to shoot up in her backyard.
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