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Old Posted Jun 19, 2022, 7:03 PM
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Can Dirty Sixth Be Cleaned Up?

City Hall, the bars and clubs, and now a big developer say “Maybe?”

"We need to talk about a re-tenanting. That doesn't mean running people off the street. The dance clubs, beer joints, and tattoo parlors are all perfectly legal and legit businesses. But people are surprised at how few daytime businesses there are on the street. ...

"I think it's great that we have clubs down there and live music venues and whatnot. But to the extent that we can get some daytime tenants there and businesses upstairs during the day – I just think any city in America would trade us [for that]."

Based on past experience, Austinites can count on a public outcry to clean up and transform the Downtown entertainment district along East Sixth Street every decade or so. The above quotes, envisioning a better day on East Sixth between Congress Avenue and I-35, are from former Mayor Will Wynn in 2001, when he was in his first term on the City Council, talking to the Chronicle's Jordan Smith about the district's troubles: "There are college-aged panhandlers, tattooed and pierced, wearing sagging jeans and old T-shirts, sitting against the Victorian limestone fronts of the street's numerous historic buildings," Smith wrote.

Nothing came of the efforts of Wynn, who at the time owned property on East Sixth, and a loose collection of bar owners and other stakeholders more than 20 years ago, just as nothing had come of efforts 10 years before that, after the Neal M. Kocurek Austin Convention Center opened its doors, to turn the blocks around East Sixth into a conference-friendly tourism district. That was about the time the Downtown Austin Alliance was first formed, with a charge to (among other things) do something about East Sixth Street. A 2003 plan spearheaded in part by the DAA also sought to move East Sixth away from its monoculture of shot bars, but only led to the creation of a public improvement district that has yet to change the street's trajectory.

Nothing likewise ever came of a grand $20 million public works plan in 2014 that looked to narrow the street to three lanes of traffic; install wider "festival sidewalks" to encourage outdoor use; and address electrical, water, and sewer issues in the aged buildings along the strip, hoping those investments would attract a more diverse mix of businesses. That plan fizzled at the initial design phase, in part because of changing budget priorities among the mostly new members of the first 10-1 district Council in 2015. The one holdover from the prior at-large Council, Kathie Tovo, has ever since represented the central-city District 9, which includes Downtown and East Sixth Street. (She will not run for reelection in November and has endorsed Linda Guer­rero to succeed her in the D9 race.)

And so it goes. Most Austinites and many out-of-towners can tell you without much prompting what could be fixed about Dirty Sixth. Its high concentration of single-serve shot bars draws crowds of 20,000 or more on Friday and Saturday nights, when the street is closed off to traffic, creating a seven-block-long party with all the public safety issues one might expect.

Those used to be minor crimes against good order – underage drinking, brawls, petty theft. That's changed: People are now getting killed down there. A series of shootings over the past year has resulted in two deaths and more than two dozen injuries. In particular, the June 12, 2021, death of tourist Doug Kantor and the shooting of at least 13 others, allegedly by a teenager from Killeen, galvanized City Hall into adopting its Safer Sixth Street Initiative last summer. "We have to take action along Sixth Street," Tovo said last August. "If we can't effect any changes with this resolution, I'm just going to bring forward another one and another one until we get a safer situation down there."

The Safer Sixth Street plan includes specific investments in public safety and security, many of which have been accomplished at this point; at its June 9 meeting, Council agreed to buy and install 13 more high-activity location/observation (HALO) cameras on East Sixth, as well as to survey bars and clubs to see if they'd use handheld metal detectors if the city provided them. But the plan also, like its predecessors, seeks to promote more diverse, daytime, nonalcoholic uses to mix up the character of the district. And while that public conversation has gone on and on, one developer has been quietly assembling enough property to create that kind of change all by itself.

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What East Sixth Used to Be?

Since 2019, Dallas-based Stream Realty Partners has acquired 32 storefronts on both sides of East Sixth. It plans to find new tenants for some spaces, but in others it wants to demolish the existing structures and build new mixed-use properties that rise far above the 45 feet in height currently allowed in much of the historic district. The focal point of that strategy – with selected preservation of historic facades where needed – will be the 500 and 600 blocks of East Sixth, between Neches and Sabine, where Stream now owns all the properties on the north side.

In their presentation to the city's Historic Landmark Commission last month, company representatives painted a picture of the district alive with cafes and fine dining restaurants, retail and live music, and creative spaces frequented by workers in the offices it plans to construct. Attorney Rich­ard Suttle, who is representing Stream's Austin interests, invoked long-gone memories of "what Sixth Street used to be, where you could actually go down and have a meal and see a show, or listen to live music," suggesting that Stream's plans will allow the district to return to that more innocent time. Stream's vision also includes fewer traffic lanes and wider sidewalks on East Sixth, along with ending the street closures that allow bar congregants to mill about late into the night on weekends.

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Who Pays for Safety?

Stream Realty's proposal comes amid the implementation of the Safer Sixth Street Initiative passed last summer. It's been a multipronged grab bag of safety­-related actions: pushing to remove illegal weapons confiscated from bargoers; creating a set staging area in the district for police and emergency response teams to quickly respond to "unplanned activities"; a push for better lighting; and a complete overhaul of the current HALO camera network that could cost more than $800,000. Council's action on June 9 bought cameras to fill gaps in the HALO network but stopped short of the full-replacement option.

From a programmatic side, there have been efforts to allow cafe seating and other outdoor uses for businesses in the area, as exist along Congress Avenue, which is also a National Register historic district. The city's pilot program for that use is still in the conceptual phase. In general, Tovo has argued multiple times for more city control over what the bars and clubs on East Sixth can and must do from a safety perspective. In March, her Safer Sixth Street resolution directed City Manager Spencer Cronk to prepare code language that would create an entertainment license and safety planning requirement for "places of assembly operating in the 6th Street District with operating hours after 12 a.m."

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"Its Own Little Animal"

The idea of transforming East Sixth into something more resembling the Second Street District west of Congress Avenue – which includes City Hall, the W Hotel, the Moody Theater, 3ten ACL Live club venues within the latter, the Violet Crown Cinema, and a bunch of restaurants – has raised questions and eyebrows among local leaders and cultural observers. A look at the makeup of the weekend clientele shows East Sixth's crowds are among the most racially and culturally (and likely economically) diverse that one might see in nightlife areas within the city limits.

Trading out all or part of that audience would in theory disperse crowds of party­-hungry young adults throughout the city, at the cost of what has become an Austin institution, even if it's one that in recent years has become soiled by violence and vice. After a Downtown Commission meeting that featured an update on efforts to lessen the number of shot bars on Sixth Street, Commissioner Nelly Paulina Ramirez expressed skepticism that the city would have much luck influencing private property owners.

And if there is any kind of coordinated effort to "change Sixth Street," she said, community groups on both sides of the highway should be able to weigh in on how that change takes place. "The question is, how do you walk back what is qualified as an entertainment district, which is in fact a drinking district?" she said. "There's a lot of desire for it to be something like what people think of as a cultural district. They want it to be more like the vibe of Congress and Eighth" – near the Paramount and Stateside theaters and the Hideout – "so they can catch a comedy show, a film, or see some theatre. There is no way to replace [East Sixth's] tradition without replacing the liquor licenses, and where do they go?"

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Who Owns the Block?

Since 2019 Stream Realty has, through vehicles with names like "SRPF B/Pecan Street II," acquired properties on both sides of Sixth Street, shown in orange on this map. Most of these are at the eastern end of the district, between Neches Street and I-35 (the 500, 600, and 700 blocks). Stream owns everything on the north side of the 500 and 600 blocks; the land alone in this stretch (approximately 1.62 acres) is valued by the Travis Central Appraisal District at just shy of $20 million, or about $275 per square foot. The existing buildings on those properties, which add up to a bit shy of 89,000 square feet, are valued at $6.3 million, or about $70 per square foot. Most of them have been substantially renovated over the years, although their facades may still merit historic preservation. Since 2012, the improvements have doubled in value while the land has tripled.




















In a perfect world, the city would have been buying up property along the whole street to gain control of the future direction of the district. Now Stream Reality Patterns seems to be the entity holding, if not all the cards, at least the most cards. I do think raising the height limits, done correctly, on a small portion of properties would benefit the entire area. I still like the idea of a night food market. I think it would have a calming effect.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2022, 9:00 PM
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I think there is nothing wrong with 6th being a bar street. You don't see West 6th, east 6th, or Rainey having these problems. It's the crowd, specifically the underage people that hang out in the middle of the street. As much as I hate to say it maybe allowing traffic is a good idea.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2022, 11:03 PM
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There's absolutely no reason whatsoever that Dirty Sixth can't transform into the same thing that Lower Broadway is in Nashville. Turn the tourists loose every weekend just like Nashville does. Incentivize real live music somehow.

Move the ARCH center off 7th while we're at it. That whole section of downtown is just begging to be (and SHOULD be) developed into something much more denser and appropriate given it's prime center city location.
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Move the ARCH center off 7th while we're at it.
Move it where? Out of downtown? The Domain? The Moon?

Move it how? Eminent domain? Arson?

ARCH is not going anywhere, so anything that is done in the area will have to take it into account.

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Yeah, allowing traffic back on to the street could help with the crowds.
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Adding cars back in is a horrible idea. The problem with 6th isn't that its pedestrianized, it should be given the volume of pedestrians in the area, which we should encourage. The problem is that there are these wide open, empty swathes in the middle of the street where people (often not even bar-goers) gather and end up making trouble.

What we should do is make it permanently pedestrian, and then develop the center of the street. Restaurants and food kiosks with patio seating, outdoor stages, public art, landscaping, shade structures etc. Break up the areas in which people congregate. Imagine a permanent Pecan Street festival. That also makes the street more appealing during the day, which begins to bring in a greater diversity of business that hopefully pushes out some of the shot bars, or at least encourages them to cater toward a different clientele.

It's crazy to me that we have this wildly-successful thing -- the busiest pedestrian street in Texas by a mile -- and just because it becomes (in a way) too popular we decide to give it back to cars, rather than figure out how we can iterate on the successful parts.
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It's crazy to me that we have this wildly-successful thing -- the busiest pedestrian street in Texas by a mile -- and just because it becomes (in a way) too popular we decide to give it back to cars, rather than figure out how we can iterate on the successful parts.
Poetry to my ears. You sir are an orator and put this better than i ever could have.
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Close it to traffic after 6pm except for delivery vehicles and band equipment unloading, and add outdoor seating so people can drink outside and people watch, smoke and take in
some fresh air.
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Perhaps the answer is to have the district roped off at the entrances and exits during weekend street closures and having police ID everyone coming in, to keep underage out and to dissuade those who aren’t patronizing a business or accompanying someone who is from entering. Staff up police presence generally within the restricted area, and allow outdoor drinking during the street closure hours within the designated restricted area. Encourage businesses to be more proactive community members and encourage a wider variety of styles of bars, rather than having them mostly be shot and beer bars. This is NOT the area for daytime businesses, and we shouldn’t be trying to turn what is part of Austin’s success into something else.

Main Street in Grand Junction is the treatment I think would work best for 6th street—turn it into 2-way one lane each way from Brazos to Sabine, weaving thru each block like a snake to create semi-circular seating and gathering areas, with limited angled curb-inset street parking mid-block with some spots explicitly reserved for police, others metered. This would allow ample space for day-time food trucks and other shops set up in tents and booths, accomplishing the daytime use in a way the preserves the full spectrum of the existing nighttime use.

As for traffic control, I would purposefully misalign the end of the lanes at each cross-street intersection, change specific cross streets to two-way 2 lanes each (IE San Jacinto & Trinity) between 5th and 7th and reverse their one way directions of travel south of 5th (thus each street becomes a “going to” or “going away” from 6th—this would aid in traffic flow and ease the transitions from one-way to two-way for those two blocks*, and also maximize the effectiveness of the 5th/7th one way couplets—see below on 5th), remove the vehicle signalizations at 6th, and add a raised planted median to them to require right hand turns only at 6th (each block thus being accessibly only by the adjacent cross streets), and add pedestrian hybrid beacons to each cross street. For the Congress to Brazos block switch to two lanes in each direction. I’d also give Neches the great streets treatment and get rid of the lights at 5th & 7th entirely. add stops signs to Neches and let the traffic on 5th and 7th pass them.

Once 35 reconstruction happens and we have the deck park, fully pedestrianize 6th from Sabine to 35. Sabine itself is already planned to be pedestrianized between 7th and 4th, meaning 6th would become a court in the block between Sabine and Red River (a small roundabout at the end). In tandem, redirect all westbound traffic to a newly one way 5th (from 35 to Congress). This single new pedestrian only block would become the meeting place of three distinct pedestrian zones: 1. Dirty 6th, 2. Waller Creek, 3. I35 Deck Parks. Talk about maximizing synergy.

*it does this by both discouraging the use of the cross streets for thru-use, which eliminates any potential bottlenecking at the 5th/7th intersections, by redistributing that traffic to intersections northward, and also allow 5th/7th/SJ/Trinity to function like a de facto roundabout.

I will draw what I mean later and post a picture—it’ll help explain.
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There isn't a blanket solution.

There will be solutions to identified problems encountered when meeting the goal. We don't know the goal/

We shouldn't start answering the question until we know what it is. And we won't know what it is until we have a vision of what the goal looks like.

We should ask: What will the end results of the "Dirty 6th" transformation be?

Do we want daytime pedestrian traffic? I like that idea.
Do we want to keep the nightlife exactly the same? IMHO - it needs to change some
Do we want to clean up the "riff-raff" and underage drinkers? yes
Do we want to allow cars on 6th? The less cars the better, unless we are talking about daytime traffic

Etc. Not all desires will be compatible.


Sooooo...

What would this group want to see as far as a new improved "Dirty 6th?"

List your top 5 desires for a final vision. Add to this list. I'm curious as to what every one wants.
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I spoke to an older gentleman in his 80's who grew up near 15th street and then East Street (Now I-35) who said 6th street 70 years ago was known by everyone to be a place of violence. He said the sound of shooting coming from that area was not at all uncommon then.
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of course it can and I believe it will be.

a mixed use of retail and restaurants with a huge emphasis on pedestrians. would like to see all storefront facades >80~ years old preserved. a tree lined median. no cars except for commercial/service
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There isn't a blanket solution.

There will be solutions to identified problems encountered when meeting the goal. We don't know the goal/

We shouldn't start answering the question until we know what it is. And we won't know what it is until we have a vision of what the goal looks like.

We should ask: What will the end results of the "Dirty 6th" transformation be?

Do we want daytime pedestrian traffic? I like that idea.
Do we want to keep the nightlife exactly the same? IMHO - it needs to change some
Do we want to clean up the "riff-raff" and underage drinkers? yes
Do we want to allow cars on 6th? The less cars the better, unless we are talking about daytime traffic

Etc. Not all desires will be compatible.


Sooooo...

What would this group want to see as far as a new improved "Dirty 6th?"

List your top 5 desires for a final vision. Add to this list. I'm curious as to what every one wants.
- The transient/homeless/riffraff problem needs to be dealt with first. Tourists and locals with disposable income that everyone wants to (re)attract to the area do not want to be around that. It's that simple.

- The immediate area around 6th to the north should be priority number one for development. There's no reason this area should remain a sea of surface lots in 2022. Residential development should be an absolute no-brainer. If legitimate daytime pedestrian activity is desired, this is an easy one. What am I missing here?

- As short-sighted developers continue to bulldoze the Golden Goose that Rainey and West 6th morphed into over the past ~8-10 years, replacing popular low-rise bar buildings with high rises, this could possibly lead to a renaissance of redevelopment of Dirty 6th, within the historical zoning confines.
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The immediate area around 6th to the north should be priority number one for development. There's no reason this area should remain a sea of surface lots in 2022. Residential development should be an absolute no-brainer. If legitimate daytime pedestrian activity is desired, this is an easy one. What am I missing here?
Congratulations! You win this round of everyone's favorite game show: "Why does this surface parking lot exist?" As always, the answer is: CVCs!
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Congratulations! You win this round of everyone's favorite game show: "Why does this surface parking lot exist?" As always, the answer is: CVCs!
It’s complete lunacy that these exist to such an extent.
2/3 of them could and should be removed tomorrow.
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I would love a night market on 6th over the weekends. I know that might be asking for too much though. If not a full blown night market, a pilot program can open up the street to food trucks over the weekend. This seems like a low investment opportunity to try it out. Even a slight shift in the crowd can have profound impact on the outcome of what goes on at night.
I used to patronize the bars when in college but have cut back on drinking as I've gotten older and see no reason to go back. But late night food on 6th sounds like an interesting thing to do and was discussed elsewhere how we don't have enough after hours food in Austin anyways.
Last time on dirty 6th, there was only the oily pizza place that was open for food. I haven't been back in many years, so maybe there are more options now. It could be a destination for the older crowds with decent food and street activity.
Allowing low density mediocre development on 6th seems short sighted to me. I have not seen anything in the proposed developments that would change the dynamic of Dirty 6th. I agree with the development of the empty parking lots. Most of them sit in the I35 CVC which is just the most frustrating of the corridors we have. I bet many accidents can be attributed to people driving 60 mph and tryin to take a picture of the capital on their phone on their way to SA.
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I agree with the development of the empty parking lots. Most of them sit in the I35 CVC which is just the most frustrating of the corridors we have. I bet many accidents can be attributed to people driving 60 mph and tryin to take a picture of the capital on their phone on their way to SA.
The I35 CVC will become completely useless once they submerge I-35. The problem is CVC's are imposed by both state and city law, so even removing completely outdated CVCs requires the state legislator to act which well... I'm not holding my breadth.

But just to tie my CVC rant back into the topic of this thread, I think development of the parking lots and other properties adjacent to 6th with high-rise residential/retail/dining will go a long way to help balance out the district.
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So much of Dirty 6th's problems can be attributed to the ARCH; I'm amazed it doesn't publicly get called out more. If you spend time in the area regularly, you can see the effect it has on the surrounding blocks. Lots of dead space and vacant storefronts in a kind of moat around that single building.

And of course all the folks who are part of the ARCH universe range far and wide, find all the secret spots (certain alleys, certain corners, certain doorways, certain portions of Waller Creek) to meet and hang out and do what they do. And I'm not suggesting these are folks who are going to be the ones getting into the gang fights or mass shootings, but what's flowing from the ARCH keeps the whole district (not just 6th) isolated from development and essentially barren aside from some very specific uses at specific times of day.

If you're not downtown much, I can't emphasize enough how closed the ecosystem's become, and how it reinforces itself -- and keeps other more diverse offerings out.

But nothing can change until the ARCH changes. And I understand that there're a lot of reasons why that won't happen under the current circumstance, but if I were the CC and Adler, I'd stop at nothing to get that thing relocated, ASAP.
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I hear a fair amount of grief about it in real life from people who live in the area. It's just most people don't interact with that section of downtown.
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