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Old Posted Jul 3, 2024, 2:42 PM
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Study: Detroit Overtakes Atlanta as Most Overvalued Housing Market in the U.S.

BOCA RATON, Fla., July 02, 2024 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- After more than a year of Atlanta dominating the list of most overvalued housing markets, Detroit is now the most overpriced market in the United States, according to researchers at Florida Atlantic University and Florida International University.

Homes in the Detroit metropolitan area are 40.79% overvalued compared to their long-term pricing trends, according to end of May data from the Top 100 U.S. Housing Markets. Meanwhile, housing premiums in Atlanta are 40.37% overvalued, bringing Atlanta in as the second most overvalued housing market in the country.


...“Detroit’s rise as the most overvalued housing market in the country is likely due to new household formation,” said Ken H. Johnson, Ph.D., real estate economist in FAU’s College of Business. “While population growth is relatively stagnant in the area, people are starting to leave their current households to form new ones, placing pressure on a housing market that simply does not have enough units to support this new demand.”

The Top 100 U.S. Housing Markets, a part of FAU’s Real Estate Initiative, calculates how overvalued or undervalued the typical home is in the country’s 100 most populated metros using publicly available data from Zillow. Johnson and fellow researcher Eli Beracha, Ph.D., director of FIU’s Hollo School of Real Estate, examine the difference in actual average selling price in a city and the city’s statistically modeled average selling price to calculate a premium or a discount.

Currently, 98 cities in the study are selling at a premium, while only two, Honolulu and New Orleans, are transacting at a discount.
https://www.wrbl.com/business/press-...et-in-the-u-s/
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BOCA RATON, Fla., July 02, 2024 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- After more than a year of Atlanta dominating the list of most overvalued housing markets, Detroit is now the most overpriced market in the United States, according to researchers at Florida Atlantic University and Florida International University.

Homes in the Detroit metropolitan area are 40.79% overvalued compared to their long-term pricing trends, according to end of May data from the Top 100 U.S. Housing Markets. Meanwhile, housing premiums in Atlanta are 40.37% overvalued, bringing Atlanta in as the second most overvalued housing market in the country.


...“Detroit’s rise as the most overvalued housing market in the country is likely due to new household formation,” said Ken H. Johnson, Ph.D., real estate economist in FAU’s College of Business. “While population growth is relatively stagnant in the area, people are starting to leave their current households to form new ones, placing pressure on a housing market that simply does not have enough units to support this new demand.”

The Top 100 U.S. Housing Markets, a part of FAU’s Real Estate Initiative, calculates how overvalued or undervalued the typical home is in the country’s 100 most populated metros using publicly available data from Zillow. Johnson and fellow researcher Eli Beracha, Ph.D., director of FIU’s Hollo School of Real Estate, examine the difference in actual average selling price in a city and the city’s statistically modeled average selling price to calculate a premium or a discount.

Currently, 98 cities in the study are selling at a premium, while only two, Honolulu and New Orleans, are transacting at a discount.
https://www.wrbl.com/business/press-...et-in-the-u-s/
The methodology seems incredibly flawed, tbh.

Using long term pricing trends as a proxy are meaningless if the housing was underpriced forever. At the end of the day, can the people who live there afford it or not?

If the "trend" in pricing has changed but most people can still afford to live in a typical house, which is probably the case for Detroit, then prices are probably fine. It just means housing prices are catching up with incomes.

Now tell me the average income in Miami Dade versus home price compared to the average income in Detroit versus home price then we can have a discussion.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2024, 4:43 PM
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If the "trend" in pricing has changed but most people can still afford to live in a typical house, which is probably the case for Detroit, then prices are probably fine. It just means housing prices are catching up with incomes.

Now tell me the average income in Miami Dade versus home price compared to the average income in Detroit versus home price then we can have a discussion.
Exactly. This data really underscores that point. In terms of larger metro areas, the gaps between typical household incomes and typical home prices at the metro level actually show that Detroit is in the best position and "most undervalued" in the US right now.
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Exactly. This data really underscores that point.
Man, 11 outta the bottom 15 on that score are Midwest/Rustbelt!

Yes, housing has gotten more expensive everywhere, but it's not all full-blown cuckoo-land everywhere.

But the snow WILL give you cancer, so......
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BOCA RATON, Fla., July 02, 2024 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- After more than a year of Atlanta dominating the list of most overvalued housing markets, Detroit is now the most overpriced market in the United States, according to researchers at Florida Atlantic University and Florida International University.

Homes in the Detroit metropolitan area are 40.79% overvalued compared to their long-term pricing trends, according to end of May data from the Top 100 U.S. Housing Markets. Meanwhile, housing premiums in Atlanta are 40.37% overvalued, bringing Atlanta in as the second most overvalued housing market in the country.


...“Detroit’s rise as the most overvalued housing market in the country is likely due to new household formation,” said Ken H. Johnson, Ph.D., real estate economist in FAU’s College of Business. “While population growth is relatively stagnant in the area, people are starting to leave their current households to form new ones, placing pressure on a housing market that simply does not have enough units to support this new demand.”

The Top 100 U.S. Housing Markets, a part of FAU’s Real Estate Initiative, calculates how overvalued or undervalued the typical home is in the country’s 100 most populated metros using publicly available data from Zillow. Johnson and fellow researcher Eli Beracha, Ph.D., director of FIU’s Hollo School of Real Estate, examine the difference in actual average selling price in a city and the city’s statistically modeled average selling price to calculate a premium or a discount.

Currently, 98 cities in the study are selling at a premium, while only two, Honolulu and New Orleans, are transacting at a discount.
https://www.wrbl.com/business/press-...et-in-the-u-s/
Looks pretty cheap to me. https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...rch/Detroit_MI
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$1,850,000, USD (Detroit)


for the equivalent in Canadian dollars, you can have this shack in Toronto:



$2,500,000 CAD (Toronto)
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The methodology seems incredibly flawed, tbh.

Using long term pricing trends as a proxy are meaningless if the housing was underpriced forever. At the end of the day, can the people who live there afford it or not?

If the "trend" in pricing has changed but most people can still afford to live in a typical house, which is probably the case for Detroit, then prices are probably fine. It just means housing prices are catching up with incomes.

Now tell me the average income in Miami Dade versus home price compared to the average income in Detroit versus home price then we can have a discussion.
The headline said "overvalued" not unaffordable. Comparing current price to historical is a perfectly fine methodology to rate valuation.


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$1,850,000, USD (Detroit)


for the equivalent in Canadian dollars, you can have this shack in Toronto:



$2,500,000 CAD (Toronto)
If there were land constraints in Detroit like there are in Toronto, those Detroit prices would easily match or exceed.
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Their whole methodology here is brain-dead. Because Detroit area has had an undervalued housing market for many decades this somehow means it's overvalued now. Yeah that's not how this works.
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detroit's job market has been solid for the last few years at least, right? metro atlanta's home prices haven't dropped (much, yet) but the job market is still fairly solid here; i assume the same applies to detroit.
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Detroit has probably seen the fastest changing house values as the market is turning around and being seen as at least somewhat desirable again. It helps that the Big 3 Automakers are on a massive spending spree due to electrification programs too which is bolstering the job market. It's the dead opposite of a decade ago when the Big 3 were scraping through trying to dig themselves out of bankruptcy (or near bankruptcy).

The Detroit housing market as a whole is still very affordable. It's just not stupidly dirt cheap any more.
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I'm always a sucker for looking at real estate ads whenever I'm in a new place. When visiting Detroit last summer I was shocked at how wide the price differential can be. New build condos in nicer areas for several times what standalone houses only a few km away were asking for. I mean, I know why, but still.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1...57370956_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2...88471106_zpid/
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Check out the price history on this one lol. That fully explains the results of the study in the original post.
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Detroit doesn't mean the city proper. It seems like most of these comments are referencing the city proper only, which isn't driving regional averages.

Not even 10% of "Detroit" homeowners live in the city proper. Like 600k population in a region of over 5 million, and the homeownership rate in city proper is only 50% compared to over 70% metro-wide.
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The Detroit area housing market could be a topic all its own. I agree with the sentiment expressed that the methodology is flawed and the city and region are catching up to a more realistic expression of what homes are worth. Detroit, parts of downriver, south Macomb and the inner ring in general were extremely depressed in value. My biggest point of contention with this article is that its focus is too narrow.

If the question was is housing overpriced in general due in part to the US economy being a safe haven for international assets and the focus of American economics in general on building wealth through housing. Well that would be a more complicated and pertinent question. The Detroit area seeing a 15, 25, 35+ percentage points increase in home value over a year is a reflection of in part of better governance, investment in infrastructure and civic institutions as well as Detroit itself. Various factors come into play in the city the increase in population, record lowering of violent crime, reform and stabilization of schools in Detroit along with a long term period of stability and or growth economically. As well as large scale and continuing investment in infrastructure, institutions & city services, Detroit has switched from being a weight on the region to an asset.

(This isn’t healthy though it’s made a lot of wealth. Even if it’s picking up on a previously hidden trend that’s just starting to be tested a bit by the national market. The rise in housing prices needs to cool down a bit to prevent a wave of harmful speculation. However fear a crash in housing prices more than I fear overvaluation even if as I believe the market correction is correct, pushing overvaluation is a dangerous narrative albeit potentially helpful in small doses.)
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River Rouge Housing Market Trends
What is the housing market like in River Rouge today?
In May 2024, River Rouge home prices were up 56.9% compared to last year, selling for a median price of $102K. On average, homes in River Rouge sell after 49 days on the market compared to 130 days last year. There were 10 homes sold in May this year, up from 6 last year.

https://www.redfin.com/city/17614/MI...housing-market

Is the current pace of recovery sustainable though say economic and or political instability no I would say that if good governance and proper reinvestment in the basic assets and services continues than the city and region will continue to recover. However the uneven valuation of the metropolitan area housing market reflects where economic growth was being generated during the periods of decline in U.S. industry and ancillary activities. The readjustment towards industrial value in America being only at the higher end white color higher end advanced manufacturing with a gutting and or outsourcing rather than restructuring of value input neutral or negative divisions is key to understanding.

The Boeing - Ford axis of development as a company and in specific focus on investment in product quality in regards to the competition as a revenue stream as opposed to coasting on reputation while cutting into mission critical assets towards maintaining the highest financial valuation leveraged into primary revenue stream. Michigan Central and the Michigan Ave - I-94 public-private investments are in the short term a financial liability whether they pan out in a decade - generation time frame to a net asset will require a far sighted leadership/market analysis, flexibility & a eyes wide open level of introspection. If running a successful company that is able to transition periods of change with growth while being a responsible corporate citizen was easy everyone would do it. Threading the needle by taking record profits to raise the corporate community base to be a productive engine for growth in an established market is an order of magnitude more expensive and difficult but offers potentially the greatest returns.

Getting into the weeds a bit here but I do like going down rabbit holes. This is an extreme example that may only be applicable due to Boeings shift towards only caring about the defense aspect of its business while it’s critical for Ford who was in the position to invest in its corporate base. The extreme devaluation of the Detroit market allows/allowed for bold moves that just are too risky in any other market without a proven path to success. The secret sauce that Dan Gilbert cooked up with his holistic downtown investment strategy is being tried out by Ford at a greater order of magnitude. Ford isn’t alone University of Michigan, Michigan State, Henry Ford Health have all taken notice and are somewhere along in leveraging the potential left by the extreme devaluation and stability provided by the bankruptcy reorganization & period of good stable governance.

Certainly nothing is assured the race for critical mass, reaching that invisible line where a sustainable economic engine kicks into gear is esoteric and ever changing though not undefinable. If one this if clear is that life is unpredictable and solid footing become slippery while new opportunities open new paths.

What is clear is Detroit has reentered the national conversation about business, government & where and how to bet/place assets for an improved model of socioeconomic development. There’s certainly a cyclical nature to development trends new lands are opened to development by new technologies and older regions once at the forefront have fallen and risen again (the south). Leveraging your unique situation while using success and a guideline and framework to build from is a dull yet accurate way to close my thoughts.
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