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Old Posted Aug 26, 2020, 4:42 PM
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Ugly Gatineau?

What is with all of the empty ugly parking lots all over Gatineau? It's really pathetic. Besides going to Gatineau Park there really isn't much going on there. And Tache must be the most ugly main throughway in the entire Ottawa Gatineau area. And old downtown Hull is just a series of dusty parking lots. It's weird
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What is with all of the empty ugly parking lots all over Gatineau? It's really pathetic. Besides going to Gatineau Park there really isn't much going on there. And Tache must be the most ugly main throughway in the entire Ottawa Gatineau area. And old downtown Hull is just a series of dusty parking lots. It's weird

Those are heritage parking lots, meant to be preserved!
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A former Bloc MP said, truthfully, that the Portage Complex was built to hide the ugliness of downtown Gatineau.
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A former Bloc MP said, truthfully, that the Portage Complex was built to hide the ugliness of downtown Gatineau.
Well this story demonstrates everything that is wrong with Gatineau

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...useum-district
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Well this story demonstrates everything that is wrong with Gatineau

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...useum-district
The Heritage Parking Lot District.
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The Heritage Parking Lot District.
It's really sad how many of these parking lots exists all over Hull and Gatineau and we are talking about massive lots in some cases and abandoned commercial space all over the place. It really needs development to happen soon
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The Heritage Parking Lot District.
Not really. I know people on here fetishize skyscrapers almost obsessively but the area that was desginated as "heritage" is one of the only parts of Vieux-Hull with a concentration of nice old houses.

(I actually wasn't necessarily against the tower project myself. Just pointing out the rationale for the decision.)
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Not really. I know people on here fetishize skyscrapers almost obsessively but the area that was desginated as "heritage" is one of the only parts of Vieux-Hull with a concentration of nice old houses.

(I actually wasn't necessarily against the tower project myself. Just pointing out the rationale for the decision.)
The tower really stood out and wasn't in line with the neighbourhood. That said, Gatineau blocks almost all development, and the downtown is riddled with parking lots.
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Well this story demonstrates everything that is wrong with Gatineau

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...useum-district
You're complaining about the abundance of parking in Gatineau, but that particular project would have cleared a city block that's mostly built-up. Personally, I was opposed to the project in that location because its a low scale area of mostly heritage houses. Would it have been proposed in the giant parking lot one block south-west, behind Terrace or at Guertin, I would have been supportive.

Hull is not particularly nice, with a few exceptions (Vieux Hull), but it's certainly not the worst offender in terms of surface parking. Prairie cities are far worse (though improving), as Acajack pointed out.

Many of those large surface parking lots in Hull have proposals, so they should be mostly gone within 10 years.

Otherwise, I don't think Alexandre Tâché is particularly bad. St-Joseph needs work, but has potential (and the current rebuilding effort might help). Gréber is pretty terrible with its motels, strip clubs, fast food restaurants and crappy 70s apartment buildings, though it somehow has its charms thanks to the lack of big box stores for most of its length.

Hull is a little rough, but the Pednaud-Jobin administration has been cleaning it up nicely over the last 10 years.

The Gatineau sector is classic suburbia; not much worse of better than any other suburb.
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Prairie cities are far worse (though improving), as Acajack pointed out.

Many of those large surface parking lots in Hull have proposals, so they should be mostly gone within 10 years.
This IS the problem "mostly gone within 10 years?" Is that the best we can hope for maybe in 10 years? And comparing prairie cities to Gatineau? Really, why not compare it to the city directly in front of it, which is Ottawa...
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This IS the problem "mostly gone within 10 years?" Is that the best we can hope for maybe in 10 years? And comparing prairie cities to Gatineau? Really, why not compare it to the city directly in front of it, which is Ottawa...
Ten years sounds pretty good to me honestly. Ottawa has quite a few large parking lots as well, with the biggest offender at the corner of Kent and Queen in the heart of the CBD. We also have a large parking lot on Slater near Bank. The two biggest surface lots are now finally being redeveloped with Moon and 400 Albert across the street (very close to full approval, but no shovels in the ground just yet).

And then we have LeBreton Flats...

The Hull sector of Gatineau was neglected for two centuries. It started out as a working class industrial town. Organized crime was rampant, with support of the local government for decades in the first half of the 20th Century. The Feds demolished most of its historic core for federal buildings in the 60s and 70s. The Cathedral burned down in 71'. It could have been salvaged, but due to poor heritage rules and declining congregation, it was demolished. Le Vieux Hull was a dangerous place in the 70s up to the 90s due to brawls between Ontarians and Quebecois. It's only in the last 20 years that we've seen an interest from the City in attracting business and promote (sensible) development to the core and encouraging tourists to walk the area beyond the Museum of Civilization with the Sentier Culturel. Zibi, W/E, Viu, the new buildings on Maisonneuve, Brookfield office building, couple new Federal office towers, all in the last 15 years. The City's art district along Montcalm and Morin.

We're getting there, but it takes time. We can't build more than what the demand dictates, otherwise you're left with shiny new abandoned buildings.
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Taché isn't the worst thoroughfare, that prize goes to Greber - Gatineau's answer to Merivale road.

A lot of those parking lots are going to disappear.. I assume you are talking about the ugly stretch behind les Terrasses?
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Taché isn't the worst thoroughfare, that prize goes to Greber - Gatineau's answer to Merivale road.

A lot of those parking lots are going to disappear.. I assume you are talking about the ugly stretch behind les Terrasses?
I hope you are right, the differences between the Ottawa development skyline and the empty dusty ugly parking lots in Gatineau is astonishing. And no, you don't need a train avatar
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Kind of weird thread. Gatineau is essentially a suburb of Ottawa. It is also poorer than Ottawa. Despite that it seems nicer and certainly has more dense future development planned than Orleans or even Kanata.

Medium term tax rates seem likely to converge in Ontario and Quebec and they could grow faster than Ottawa.
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Kind of weird thread. Gatineau is essentially a suburb of Ottawa. It is also poorer than Ottawa. Despite that it seems nicer and certainly has more dense future development planned than Orleans or even Kanata.

Medium term tax rates seem likely to converge in Ontario and Quebec and they could grow faster than Ottawa.
The issue is not the future, the issue is now. Come across the bridges from Gatineau to Ottawa and the skyline and development is clear for all to see.

Now do the opposite from Ottawa to Gatineau - you see a lot of run down neighborhoods, almost no towers, and an over abundance of empty parking lots and boarded up buildings all over Tache and St Joseph and streets surrounding both of those
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If you and your friend hate parking lots so much you should pull for mid-rise developments, not skyscrapers and skylines.
This is not a video game. People won't drop from the sky to live/work in those towers. For a small city like Gatineau it's a choice between a tower surrounded by parking lots for the foreseeable future, and a mid-rise block without impressive skylines.
Glad Gatineau didn't approve those monstrosities. Best case scenario, they would've turned into boring concrete pumpkins after the next design review, extending the life of Hull parking lots for another 10+ years.
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We have a bunch of people who want to compare Gatineau's empty dirty parking lots and bleak looking skyline to Brandon Manitoba's empty parking lots...instead of looking at Ottawa which is DIRECTLY in front of Gatineau with a real skyline, a hot housing market, a real restaurant scene, and booming development. Surely Gatineau can aim to be something more besides Brandon Manitoba. Talk about low expectations...
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We have a bunch of people who want to compare Gatineau's empty dirty parking lots and bleak looking skyline to Brandon Manitoba's empty parking lots...instead of looking at Ottawa which is DIRECTLY in front of Gatineau with a real skyline, a hot housing market, a real restaurant scene, and booming development. Surely Gatineau can aim to be something more besides Brandon Manitoba. Talk about low expectations...
I was thinking more Winnipeg, Regina, Saskatoon, Calgary and Edmonton.

Gatineau's not Ottawa. It's a suburb of Ottawa. We don't expect Longueuil and Laval to meet the same standards as Montréal. And quite honestly, I find that Gatineau does better than Ottawa on a lot of fronts, such as the environment (restrictions on garbage, better recycling program, new building norms including mandatory green roofs for larger developments, further along in electrifying the municipal fleet, protecting sensitive lands). Though Ottawa has done more to protect the river by upgrading its water treatment plants and the new combined sewage tunnel.
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Taché isn't the worst thoroughfare, that prize goes to Greber - Gatineau's answer to Merivale road.

A lot of those parking lots are going to disappear.. I assume you are talking about the ugly stretch behind les Terrasses?
The stretch behind les Terrasses? Ugly...
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Am I missing something? Did this forum merge with Cities: Skylines or SimCity forum recently?
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