Which US/Canada city should be next to implement congestion pricing?

[iheartthed]

With NYC on track to roll out congestion pricing in spring of 2024, which US or Canadian city should strongly consider congestion pricing next?

[Crawford]

I don't think any, at least in the short-term.

The most likely long-term candidates, however, would be SF, DC and Boston. All have relatively compact, easily definable cores, have the wealth and demand to tax drivers and the political climate to make such change.

[Docere]

"Should" meaning likely to do it next, or what city does it make most sense?

[MolsonExport]

Jacksonville. Too many motorists are driving downtown to take in its awesome skyline. Billions of dollars could be raised.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Docere

"Should" meaning likely to do it next, or what city does it make most sense?

I was thinking "makes most sense", but what city is likely to do it next is an interesting idea too.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Crawford

They've done the studies, and there are very few drivers entering the congestion zone, at any hour, with low(er) incomes. The subway, PATH, LIRR, buses and ferries run 24/7. Metro North and NJT almost run 24/7.

In any case, they can always adjust the fees, and improve overnight transit.

I'm not sure I buy that. Security guards, late night service workers, etc., would be disproportionately impacted. Even if these workers take taxis or Ubers instead of driving their own cars they would be impacted. There might be more people driving from Long Island or New Jersey at night too, but that is also because transit service at night isn't as reliable as during the day.

[Crawford]

Security guards are regularly paying tolls and parking in Mid-Manhattan garages? If that's the case, their employer can subsidize the fees or something, but I've never had issues using transit to access central parts of Manhattan at late hours. The trains are running. Ubers get a very heavy discount, BTW. You also get a discount if you paid a toll to enter Manhattan, and there's a discount for lower income households.

And again, none of the studies show a significant share of lower income drivers.

[SIGSEGV]

Of those Montreal is the most practical, I would say...

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

Of those Montreal is the most practical, I would say...

Yes, though a significant chunk of the island of Montreal is auto-dependent sprawl. That said a congestion charge to get on the island would be an advantage to living on the island itself and reduce off-island sprawl development.

[wwmiv]

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[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Security guards are regularly paying tolls and parking in Mid-Manhattan garages? If that's the case, their employer can subsidize the fees or something, but I've never had issues using transit to access central parts of Manhattan at late hours. The trains are running. Ubers get a very heavy discount, BTW. You also get a discount if you paid a toll to enter Manhattan, and there's a discount for lower income households.

And again, none of the studies show a significant share of lower income drivers.

The congestion zone will be all of Manhattan below 60th, not just midtown Manhattan. It would affect anyone that lives in the area: bartenders, restaurant workers, cleaning staff, hospital workers, security guards, etc. If this workers commute during off peak hours it will be an extra burden because of reduced transit options overnight and especially overnight weekends.

[Crawford]

I'm ok with that. I hope the congestion zone eventually expands to all of Manhattan, at minimum. There should always be costs for drivers entering areas not built for personal vehicles.