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Old Posted Apr 16, 2021, 1:01 AM
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I don't think the homeless plays into Oracle's decision at all. If it's anything Austin related then I would think it would be the worry about a labour shortage with Tesla/SpaceX moving in and possibly another Samsung plant but I think that ship has sailed.
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2021, 6:14 PM
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Austin-based Oracle considering $1.2 billion expansion in Nashville

https://www.statesman.com/story/busi...on/7222597002/

It's interesting that at one point, Elison said the Austin campus will eventually employ up to 10k people. It currently only employs 2,500 people, with an announcement to open a campus in Nashville that will employ up to 8,500. Added together, it's 11,000 employees. Were those 8,500 initially meant for Austin?

I wonder if Oracle is having second thoughts about Austin. Shots rang out at Fiesta Gardens, across the river from the campus, earlier in the month during a car club meet while families celebrated Easter at the park. Kxan reported that residents at a nearby high end condo had been complaining about the car club meetings for some time. And then add to that, the homeless mess on Riverside. There have been shootings and assaults that have occurred within that homeless camp.

Ultimately, Oracle has a responsibility to provide a safe environment for its employees. Kxan also did a piece on employees working at local shops on Riverside and how the homeless camps have impacted them. One female Sally Beauty employee said she's constantly dealing with shoplifting and felt unsafe walking to her car without an escort every night. If Oracle wants their employees to live and work late around their campus, it's got to be a safe environment. The southeast area has always been a crime center in Austin. I kinda think Oracle thought their presence would turn that around a lot sooner than it has.
Thanks for the update. I'd guess Oracle is just spreading the wealth. Some folks like Nashville region of the world, others Austin. Need both to keep attracting talent.

As far as the KXAN story, yep, if you live and work down town, especially in a ground floor retail store open to the public, you see all of this in a totally different light. Especially the ladies.
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The idea that Nashville feels safer than Austin tells me some of y'all haven't been to Nashville.
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The idea that Nashville feels safer than Austin tells me some of y'all haven't been to Nashville.
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The idea that Nashville feels safer than Austin tells me some of y'all haven't been to Nashville.
Yep. Austin had 48 murders in 2020 - the highest since 1991 when we had 49. There were 35 in 2019 and 2018. Nashville had 109 murders in 2020. That's up from the 84 they had in 2019 and 88 in 2018. So, yeah.

Austin - 950,807 city population - 2019 - 319 square miles - 48 murders in 2020.

Nashville - 694,144 city population - 2019 - 504 square miles - 109 murders in 2020.

Even adjusting for Nashville's larger city proper area and adding the metro numbers for Austin in a 5 county area that covers 4,280 square miles, we still only had 68 in the metro.
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2021, 5:34 PM
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A home for the homeless discussion (a thread about it)

Frankly, a lot of these issues will be solved as the area is redeveloped from student housing (where the residents accept vagrancy and don’t report issues, and so enforcement is never there) to apartments and condos and mixed-use areas populated by middle class professionals who have a stake in the area. These people report issues and don’t accept crime in their midst. It’s easier from an enforcement perspective if you constantly have caring and concerned eyes on the public space.
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2021, 8:02 PM
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Frankly, a lot of these issues will be solved as the area is redeveloped from student housing (where the residents accept vagrancy and don’t report issues, and so enforcement is never there) to apartments and condos and mixed-use areas populated by middle class professionals who have a stake in the area. These people report issues and don’t accept crime in their midst. It’s easier from an enforcement perspective if you constantly have caring and concerned eyes on the public space.
You would think landlords would care about their neighborhoods having those problems, but the problem there is a lot of landlords aren't actually local. So they aren't seeing it and their tenants don't care, so the problem persists. The issue there is none of the parties - not the tenants or the landlords or even the homeless have a stake in the neighborhood as you said.
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Speaking of crime, author covers what city is up to in its re-imagining police efforts.......

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...afety-n1440685
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2021, 5:31 PM
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^lol, the Republican party yells and screams fear about the feds taking away their rights and being too powerful yet want to live in a police state!!!! Why are you okay with 43% of your taxes for city budget going to them??? Here is a word you may want to look up in a dictionary. PREVENTION
https://knoema.com/infographics/gqzv...ding-worldwide

Like really, we don't have major funding issues and problems to address??? Interesting how the article mentions people leaving the job, interesting you now care as the US comes to 200,000 teacher vacancies nationwide, where is your outrage????

https://datalab.usaspending.gov/amer...ry-comparison/

https://www.texasobserver.org/the-cu...olice-academy/
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PJ Media is a very right-wing organization. What else would you expect from them?
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^^As soon as you are the victim of a crime, especially a felony and/or violent crime, your tune will change just like quite a few persons who were pushing to defund the police in big cities around the country, and now the crime rates are on the rise dramatically. PREVENTION only helps to a point, but when you have people that do not care who they hurt, it does not help much.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2021, 7:30 PM
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^I could say the same for health insurance, or any of the numerous social services that has led to every other civilized nation on the planet having less homelessness, less poverty, higher education outcomes, less crime, etc....
Until it has a direct impact on you it seems you don't care.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2021, 7:36 PM
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DEFUND THE POLICE!

That’s a terrible slogan. Rightsizing police budgets is the goal. Police department budgets are enormous and its time to move some of the money to other places that get more bang for the buck.
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Socialism has not been very successful around the world throughout history. Yes, yes, I know they say it has not been run correctly.
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Socialism has not been very successful around the world throughout history. Yes, yes, I know they say it has not been run correctly.
first of all, people are advocating for democratic socialism, not communism. i wouldn't even say full democratic socialism. just universal healthcare and more equitable societies.

second, democratic socialism has and is currently successfully being utilized around the world, in some "third world" countries like denmark and the UK.

if you're going to try to contribute to the convo, at least do a little research first.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2021, 8:18 PM
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Here's my question, why does the burden have to fall on the police to deal with people wandering our streets who are mentally unstable? Those people aren't criminals, though, they are committing some crimes, for sure. But they're not a typical "criminal" making a career out of it. Those people should be in mental healthcare facilities being evaluated and treated for their conditions, and, in some cases, institutionalized to get them off the streets as they are not ever going to be functional adults. My family is from Austin. My grandmother was born in Liberty Hill in 1922, and my mom talks about not ever remembering seeing homeless people the way we have now. She also says back then that if someone acted crazy they were treated crazy. They were put in a hospital for evaluation and maybe institutionalized if the situation called for it after they had exhausted their efforts. We like to politicize the issue, blaming our politicians and taking sides - either blaming Democrats or Republicans or making wild theories about what type of government it would take to solve the problem, even as the one we have now is failing at it, but this issue is relatively new even though Austin has had a certain political ring to it for generations. So, trying to say it's a Democratic or liberal problem is off the mark. Making it political will never solve the problem. This is something that should not be a partisan issue.

So, is defunding the police smart? No, of course not. However, there is nothing wrong with moving money around in a budget to study the problem and explore options and test the results. People politicized that and spun it as political garbage does, and well, that's how you end up with no one wanting to talk to each other. The unfortunate part of this is twofold. One, that we've come to expect the police to solve a societal problem that has been forgotten and then ignored and now has become an issue that everyone is very aware of and that the police are now having to deal with. And two, that we're still stuck on the idea that it's the police's responsibility to deal with the problem that we've largely allowed to happen. If I break a bone, I won't be going to the police for help. There's a hospital for that. So, I don't know why we can't get these people who have mental issues some care. Some just need medication to get them straightened out. Some need therapy. Some need a little more care and time, and some are a lost cause as their mental condition is more severe and will require a long term care.

I don't think the issue is police funding, I think the issue is mental healthcare funding. The police don't have anything on their belt that is going to help them. That's not their job.

Imagine if the physically ill were lying around in the streets left to fend for themselves against what was ailing them because a trip to the hospital or a doctor visit was unattainable. Maybe dying on the street and spreading whatever it was they had. And it was happening because for whatever reason they didn't have access to medical care. That's basically what's happening with a large percentage of the homeless population - though, not all, but a lot of them need some kind of mental healthcare. They're not all slackers or druggies.

I get that people cringe at the thought of having to take part in dealing with the problem, but the refusal to do so makes me wonder if they're really serious about solving it. The problem isn't going to go away on its own, and these people with mental health issues can no more function the way the rest of us do than someone with a broken leg can participate in a triathlon without medical help first.
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first of all, people are advocating for democratic socialism, not communism. i wouldn't even say full democratic socialism. just universal healthcare and more equitable societies.

second, democratic socialism has and is currently successfully being utilized around the world, in some "third world" countries like denmark and the UK.

if you're going to try to contribute to the convo, at least do a little research first.
I think research has been done. You do not know me and I do not know you. But based on the previous conversation, not much info is given there, just a lot of the same old wants but no info as to the means. Yes, you can say your type of socialism has some positive, but just as many negatives. Those countries have their own sets of problems as well. Maybe you should research a little more as well.
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This was the type of thing I was talking about. The guy clearly had some mental problems, so I'm wondering why he was wandering the streets.

https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-...re-police-say/
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This was the type of thing I was talking about. The guy clearly had some mental problems, so I'm wondering why he was wandering the streets.

https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-...re-police-say/
"In a search of his criminal history, KXAN found McPherson has a lengthy criminal background spanning Austin, Manor, Cedar Park and other parts of Williamson County, with convictions of DUIs, a number of drug charges, robbery, criminal trespassing, escaping police custody, and most notably the sexual assault of a 14-year-old girl. McPherson remains on the state’s sex offender registry."

You can thank your good old Travis County criminal justice system and district attorney's office for this. It is only going to get worse with this new DA. It would be interesting to see where the robbery and sexual assault of a child convictions originated from.
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You can thank your good old Travis County criminal justice system and district attorney's office for this.
You're claiming he was never tried on those charges?
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