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Originally Posted by RobEss
The only thing I'll miss is the energetic hype-man that Bag Man employs the attract customers. That guy could keep a shout-stream running all day!
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It's a wave that's been making its way down 34th Street gradually. Vornado owns many sites in the area that will eventually be developed, but in the meantime they serve their purpose. I'm constantly in that area, and occasionally went into BagMan for a cheap bag (people always thought they were higher quality than they actually were). That store was 95 % anything BUT bags, so I never understood the name. I still sometimes drop in that Wendy's. But most of the stores on that end of the block are already closed and boarded up.
I also like the giant billboard ads that hover over the site....
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Originally Posted by aquablue
I don't know if you travel through Penn, but it is rat hole.
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If you've ever been in Grand Central, and then entered Penn, you would think you were on a different planet. And Penn Station gets dangerously overcrowded during the rush, especially considering the lack of exits.
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If you are going to be a cynic due to the cost, then you would be better off directing that negative energy at the PATH station at the WTC which will be a basically a subway terminal masquerading as a cathedral. Amtrak serves as gatway to NY from the other major NE cities, etc. The Path statoin serves the average commuter from Jersey City and Newark!! Take your pick!
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I agree that the relative costs of the PATH terminal at the WTC could have been better served with a new Penn. But as far as the PATH customer base goes, you're wrong. It's basically a feeder line for NJ Transit - both in Hoboken and Newark, and will connect directly with Newark Liberty Airport - currently the only on target direct rail link into Manhattan from the airports. That being said, its still just a fraction of commuters who use some of the busier subway stations.
All that being said though, Vornado is in this for the long haul, Madison Square Garden's days over Penn Station are numbered, and the full potential of all surrounding sites will be unleashed.
Whether or not Vornado resurrects the plan for Penn East and West (towers on either side of 1 Penn Plaza) remains to be seen. I truly hope they opt for commercial space here however. The force to build residential towers is almost unstoppable, but this is a site best suited for office development, being so close to Penn.
Old Penn East model...