Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport (YOW/CYOW)

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

Indeed, the RSW timing has been adjusted slightly too, rather than a YOW-RSW-YOW rotation (last year it would do a rotation to MCO afterwards too), it will be RSW-YOW-RSW, with the outer legs being YYZ turns. Once weekly on Thursdays until December 16 when Mondays get added for a second weekly flight.

With a 15:16 arrival and 16:20 departure, this will be another transborder gate occupied during the afternoon Porter Florida bank. This means on Mondays you'll have:
- PD to MCO at 16:00
- PD to FLL at 16:00
- PD to TPA at 16:20
- WS to RSW at 16:20
- AC to TPA at 16:35

As far as I know, only gates 6, 11, 12 and 13 can handle aircraft of this size and do transborder departures. Unless I'm mistaken and one of gates 1-5 can handle them, they will need to move the wall and have gate 14 act as a transborder gate. Even if one of gates 1-5 can handle it, the transborder holding area will be a zoo without the extra space. There's over 600 seats on those five flights, plus a couple Porter Q400s to BOS and EWR at 16:00 and 16:10 respectively, and you have around 750 TB seats departing all within 35 minutes of each other.

I wouldn't be surprised to see WS and AC retreat RSW and TPA respectively.

[RomanR27]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Gate 3 can handle up to Code C or 737.

Going to be a full house then. Sample gate assignment:

Gate 1: UA3626 (E75) to ORD at 17:00, inbound from EWR at 16:16
Gate 2: PD2339 (DH4) to EWR at 16:10, inbound from ??
Gate 3: PD517 (295) to FLL at 16:00, inbound from TPA at 14:20
Gate 5: PD2345 (DH4) to BOS at 16:00, inbound from ??
Gate 6: WS1262 (737) to RSW at 16:20, inbound from RSW at 15:16
Gate 11: AC1694 (319) to TPA at 16:35, inbound from MCO at 14:30
Gate 12: PD505 (295) to MCO at 16:00, inbound from ??
Gate 13: PD529 (295) to TPA at 16:20, inbound from ??

The Dash-8s will need to be towed to those gates since the inbounds will be domestic, or they'll have to use gate 4 as a remote stand and the buses. Of course, all subject to change!

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

I wouldn't be surprised to see WS and AC retreat RSW and TPA respectively.

I would be less surprised about WS but given that RSW stuck with their finalized winter schedule and had its schedule adjusted, it seems they're going to stick it out. AC I would also be surprised given they have more loyalists than WestJet. Though their 2x weekly flights are on days that PD flies TPA, so if PD is price competitive then they may abandon ship, or redeploy that turn to CUN or PUJ.

[MountainView]

AC is not going anywhere on that TPA route. I don't think AC cares about Porter in YOW at all. WS seems to care though...

[MountainView]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

Going to be a full house then. Sample gate assignment:

Gate 1: UA3626 (E75) to ORD at 17:00, inbound from EWR at 16:16
Gate 2: PD2339 (DH4) to EWR at 16:10, inbound from ??
Gate 3: PD517 (295) to FLL at 16:00, inbound from TPA at 14:20
Gate 5: PD2345 (DH4) to BOS at 16:00, inbound from ??
Gate 6: WS1262 (737) to RSW at 16:20, inbound from RSW at 15:16
Gate 11: AC1694 (319) to TPA at 16:35, inbound from MCO at 14:30
Gate 12: PD505 (295) to MCO at 16:00, inbound from ??
Gate 13: PD529 (295) to TPA at 16:20, inbound from ??

The Dash-8s will need to be towed to those gates since the inbounds will be domestic, or they'll have to use gate 4 as a remote stand and the buses. Of course, all subject to change!



I would be less surprised about WS but given that RSW stuck with their finalized winter schedule and had its schedule adjusted, it seems they're going to stick it out. AC I would also be surprised given they have more loyalists than WestJet. Though their 2x weekly flights are on days that PD flies TPA, so if PD is price competitive then they may abandon ship, or redeploy that turn to CUN or PUJ.

As Dominion301 said... gate 3 can handle larger aircraft. Leaving this here as a reminder (although this is from 2018):

[Dominion301]

Today's departure count: 84

Today's cancellation count (so far): 1 - AC YYZ tail swap from mainline to Rouge.

[harls]

Taking a trip this weekend for 9 days, and debating whether to use P4 or the Park n' Fly. The difference is about 20 bucks.

I haven't ever had any problems with Park n' Fly in the past. I usually tip the dude a few bucks so I guess savings are negligible.

I'd take a cab or uber but it pretty much comes out to the same price as driving so what's the point?

[RomanR27]

Originally Posted by harls

Taking a trip this weekend for 9 days, and debating whether to use P4 or the Park n' Fly. The difference is about 20 bucks.

I haven't ever had any problems with Park n' Fly in the past. I usually tip the dude a few bucks so I guess savings are negligible.

I'd take a cab or uber but it pretty much comes out to the same price as driving so what's the point?

FYI if you have CAA, booking YOW parking in advance gets you 20% off, and Park n Fly gives you an additional 10%.

[Rhb]

Ottawa International Airport passenger numbers are out for June 2024.
https://yow.ca/en/corporate/airport-...ssenger-volume

[RomanR27]

Originally Posted by Rhb

Ottawa International Airport passenger numbers are out for June 2024.
https://yow.ca/en/corporate/airport-...ssenger-volume

International number is 16,244 pax. As AF ran daily the latter half of June, there were 27 round trips in June totaling 17,168 seats.

24x 324-seat A359: 15,552 total seats
2x 292-seat A359: 1,168 seats
1x 224-seat A332: 448 seats

The last WS round trip to CUN also ran on a 737-700 on June 1, for a total round trip there of 264 seats. Assume both legs of that flight were full, then the AF load would be 15,980 for a load factor of 93.1%. If the WS flights were completely empty, you end up with a 94.6% for AF. The real number lies somewhere in between.

[harls]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

FYI if you have CAA, booking YOW parking in advance gets you 20% off, and Park n Fly gives you an additional 10%.

Good to know. Thanks, Roman.

[Rhb]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

International number is 16,244 pax. As AF ran daily the latter half of June, there were 27 round trips in June totaling 17,168 seats.

24x 324-seat A359: 15,552 total seats
2x 292-seat A359: 1,168 seats
1x 224-seat A332: 448 seats

The last WS round trip to CUN also ran on a 737-700 on June 1, for a total round trip there of 264 seats. Assume both legs of that flight were full, then the AF load would be 15,980 for a load factor of 93.1%. If the WS flights were completely empty, you end up with a 94.6% for AF. The real number lies somewhere in between.

Great work. Looks like the Airport passenger numbers will top 400,000+ (July 2024) for the first time since February 2020.
Nice to see AF load factor continues to be in the 90+ range.

[DTcrawler]

AF's continued strong loads make me wonder if the reason for the drop to 4/5x weekly after this summer is purely because of aircraft availability.

[SimpleEng]

The June numbers are quite strong. 394,250 passengers is 91% of the pre covid June 2019 passenger count (434,921).

This is the first time we've been above 90% of monthly pre covid 2019 passengers. February 2024 was the previous record at 88% of February 2019 passengers.

I suspect Porter recently increasing YVR, YYC, YEG to double daily and adding YWG and YYT is contributing to much of the increase in June.

[Tesladom]

Originally Posted by DTcrawler

AF's continued strong loads make me wonder if the reason for the drop to 4/5x weekly after this summer is purely because of aircraft availability.

People like me who use AF for Europe leisure travel typically travel less between October and May

[Dominion301]

Today's departure count: 84

Today's cancellation count (so far): 1

[RomanR27]

Originally Posted by Tesladom

People like me who use AF for Europe leisure travel typically travel less between October and May

Yeah, the fact that AF is able to bring it back to daily for the three weeks over Xmas indicates to me it's reflective of demand rather than aircraft availability. There's still significant capacity increases over last year, even with the frequency remaining static.

In September/October, there is about 500 more seats weekly per direction on the A359 compared to the A332 that ran last year, for a healthy ~45% increase.

For November-March, the 777-200 is about a 17.5% increase from the 787-9 that ran last year when the frequency is 5x weekly. The two weeks in November/December where it runs 4x will be a modest decrease year-over-year, but the three weeks it runs daily over Christmas will more than make up for it.