City Murder Rates

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by Crawford

A huge proportion of U.S. murder rate consists of loosely organized crews, usually young black males, spontaneously killing each other for perceived slights. Often something as simple as a social media diss. I don't think it's directly related to drugs of choice.

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

^ yeah, as I mentioned earlier, drug purveyors (and their related street gang associates) seem to be responsible for the vast bulk of homicides in Chicago, not the end-user drug addicts.

I'd add everywhere, specially in Americas, where homicides are a big thing. Excluded the incredibly high number of gang/mafia related violence, homicides rates would be much closer to the ones registered on the other continents.

Our colonial heritage certainly plays the biggest role.

Originally Posted by lio45

It would be interesting to have the "murders" data separated in two distinct categories: the murder rate for innocent people, and the murder figures for people who played a role in their own demise.

Most normal people only care about the former. Chicago's on-paper murder rate is only relevant to me as my real odds of getting shot to death while walking down State Street taking pics of early skyscrapers.

In Brazil, it's quite straightforward as there is this homicides type called latrocínio (robbery followed by murder). That's by far the most feared crime in tge country as it can happen to anyone, "innocent people" as you say.

Out of the 40,464 homicides registered in Brazil in 2023, there were "only" 953 latrocínios. That would give a 0.47/100,000 latrocínio rate for Brazil, the country with the highest absolute number of homicides in the world.

Another figure we should look at it's feminicídio, a woman being killed due her woman's very condition. Basically, it's homicides resulted from violence domestic. 1,463 in 2023. Unlike the latrocínio, however, that's not easily prevented by increasing police presence, for example.

141 police officers were killed in Brazil in 2023.

Based on those numbers, we could say well over 90% of homicides in Brazil are basically criminals killing criminals and maybe some tiny portion of people being killed by grudges.

[ilcapo]

Originally Posted by fern

Liverpool Metro (1.4M)
Office for National Statistics figures show Merseyside Police recorded 24 homicides in the year to March – up from 18 the year before.

What does "in the year to march" mean? Seems like an odd way of counting?

24 homicides for 12 months however.

[fern]

Originally Posted by ilcapo

What does "in the year to march" mean? Seems like an odd way of counting?

24 homicides for 12 months however.

Our tax year runs from April to April maybe the office for national statistics do something similar

[Gresto]

Originally Posted by Acajack

It's about average for recent years in Toronto (3 m people) and low-ish for Montréal (2 m people).

Not true. 47 for Toronto is about 10 or 15 higher than normal for roughly the year's halfway point, but with such relatively small numbers one shouldn't draw conclusions about trends. As has been observed, and it holds true for Toronto, veritably 95% of the victims and perps are poor young black men. Too bad we don't feel comfortable enough as a society to address this problem head-on.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Gresto

Not true. 47 for Toronto is about 10 or 15 higher than normal for roughly the year's halfway point, but with such relatively small numbers one shouldn't draw conclusions about trends. As has been observed, and it holds true for Toronto, veritably 95% of the victims and perps are poor young black men. Too bad we don't feel comfortable enough as a society to address this problem head-on.

Thanks for clarifying.

As in the US no one seems to care that the homicide rate for young black males is disproportionately high and frightening in Toronto.

[lextown]

Louisville KY is at 101.

Lexington KY is at 8.

[homebucket]

San Francisco
2023 YTD: 31
2024 YTD: 19
Change: -39%

[lio45]

I'm curious to know if SSP is aware of why DC's yearly murder numbers went up over +200% in the last twelve years, because I'm nearly certain that that's not the case in most U.S. cities, right? The suspended guy was totally incorrect with his claims (the 1990s figures were worse than the current ones, and by a good bit) but it is still a really bad trend for the past decade, what gives? A bad trend that's also not mirrored in comparable cities, AFAIK.

[MercurySky]

Originally Posted by Gresto

Not true. 47 for Toronto is about 10 or 15 higher than normal for roughly the year's halfway point, but with such relatively small numbers one shouldn't draw conclusions about trends. As has been observed, and it holds true for Toronto, veritably 95% of the victims and perps are poor young black men. Too bad we don't feel comfortable enough as a society to address this problem head-on.

If the communities in question don't care enough to stop this after decades of murder and mayhem in the United States and elsewhere why should anyone else?

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by MercurySky

If the communities in question don't care enough to stop this after decades of murder and mayhem in the United States and elsewhere why should anyone else?

I’m not sure if I understood you correctly but are you implying Blacks as a group are to blame for higher murder rates and society as a whole shouldn’t care? That’s a very peculiar view.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by lio45

I'm curious to know if SSP is aware of why DC's yearly murder numbers went up over +200% in the last twelve years, because I'm nearly certain that that's not the case in most U.S. cities, right? The suspended guy was totally incorrect with his claims (the 1990s figures were worse than the current ones, and by a good bit) but it is still a really bad trend for the past decade, what gives? A bad trend that's also not mirrored in comparable cities, AFAIK.

It's especially odd bc DC is hypergentrified and has huge police and social services spending. DC should have a low murder rate for big city U.S standards. Maybe not Boston or NYC low, but pretty low.

[ilcapo]

Originally Posted by Crawford

It's especially odd bc DC is hypergentrified and has huge police and social services spending. DC should have a low murder rate for big city U.S standards. Maybe not Boston or NYC low, but pretty low.

But the east side where most murders happen is majority african american and as far as i know the poverty levels high in many areas.

[Smuttynose1]

A look at how a variety of larger cities are holding up now more than midway through the year. Threw in a few Canadian cities I could find data for. Canadian cities perform among the best, but there is a huge variance in American cities

Rates of 0 to 2.5 per 100K

Montreal, CAN - 1.76 m (20) - Rate 1.1 per 100K
Boston - 675K (8) - Rate: 1.2 per 100K
San Diego - 1.38 m. (19) - Rate 1.4 per 100K
Toronto, CAN - 2.8 m (50) - Rate: 1.8 per 100K
El Paso - 679K (13) - Rate: 1.9 per 100K
San Francisco 874K (19) - Rate: 2.2 per 100K
New York - 9 m (215) - Rate: 2.4 per 100K

Rates of 2.6 to 5 per 100K

Austin - 962K (25) - Rate: 2.6 per 100K
Winnipeg, CAN - 750K (20) - Rate: 2.7 per 100K
Seattle - 773K (25) - Rate: 3.3 per 100K
Phoenix 1.6 m (64) - Rate: 4 per 100K
Los Angeles - 3.9 m (164) - Rate: 4.3 per 100K

Rates of 5 to 10 per 100K

Portland, OR - 650K (42) - Rate: 6.4 per 100K
Houston - 2.3 m (151) - Rate 6.6 per 100K
Minneapolis - 430K (38) - Rate 8.8 per 100 K
Dallas - 1.3 m (122) - Rate: 9.4 per 100K
Philadelphia - 1.6 m (152) - Rate: 9.5 per 100K

Rates of 10 to 15 per 100K

Oakland - 440K (53) - Rate: 12.0 per 100K
Chicago - 2.75 m (335) - Rate 12.1 per 100K
Atlanta - 499K - (69) - Rate 13.8 per 100K
Milwaukee - 577K (80) - Rate: 13.9 per 100K

Rates of over 15 per 100K

Washington, DC - 689K (109) - Rate 15.8 per 100K
Kansas City - 509K (85) - Rate 16.7 per 100K
Baltimore - 585K (112) - Rate: 19.1 per 100K
Cleveland - 373K (72) - Rate: 19.3 per 100K