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esquire Feb 7, 2022 10:23 PM

Allegiant is a ULCC but it's smaller than the others in terms of their route network, though. Most of their business is funneling people from smaller cities into Vegas and sun destinations, it's not quite the same as Frontier/Spirit.

Dominion301 Feb 8, 2022 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 9527859)
So Flair's flight numbering scheme is now clear... Seems like for most of the new flights, it is number as

1xx - flights to/from YYZ hub
2xx - flights to/from YVR hub
5xx - YKF
6xx - YXX
7xx - YEG

Still not clear for the other hubs...

Second daily flight add "1" in front, third daily flight add "2"

So for YYC-YXX, it's flight 602, 1602, and 2602.

It seems as if the flights indicate what base operates the flights. 3XX is YOW. The only non 3XX flight numbers are 6XX for YXX (likely YXX crew-operated) and 1XX for YWG (likely YYZ crew-operated in a W pattern).

YYC's base seems to be 8XX. YYC-YLW is 5XX, so it must originate at YKF.

YUL-YYC is 9XX, while YUL-YHZ is 8XX, so who knows there.

Dominion301 Feb 8, 2022 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by People_talking (Post 9528177)
Im pretty sure Allegiant, Sun Country and Breeze are all considered ULCC no?

And now Avelo too.

Frontier and Spirit merging will make them bigger than JetBlue. It'll likely get approved by the DOT as their networks don't overlap very much.

Calfan12 Feb 8, 2022 6:24 AM

WestJet’s Sunmer 2022 schedules currently looks like it’s focusing on its 3 busiest hubs at Calgary YYC, Toronto YYZ & Vancouver YVR with more flights/additional frequencies, which not that surprising!!

A good example of it :WS YYC - Abbotsford YXX currently is 3x daily & Summer upto 6x daily.

Dominion301 Feb 8, 2022 4:43 PM

YEG's getting an additional $10M from Transport Canada: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...892350135.html

Quote:

The funding, from Transport Canada's Airport Critical Infrastructure Program, will support investments in:
-information technology infrastructure, including new hardware, software, network and data facilities, to increase security and better protect the airport from potential cybersecurity and system attacks;
-the replacement of critical infrastructure to enhance the efficiency and security of airport check-in and boarding; and
-projects to enable COVID-19 testing and screening at the airport.

Dominion301 Feb 8, 2022 4:45 PM

AC's newest 223 has a Disney promo:

https://mma.prnewswire.com/media/174....jpg?p=publish

Dominion301 Feb 8, 2022 4:48 PM

YMM and five unnamed AB regional airports are also getting Transport Canada funding: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...840347295.html

Quote:

To help ensure safe airport operations for aircraft, passengers and crews, the airport will receive $2.7 million from Transport Canada's Airport Critical Infrastructure Program to support upgrades to the airfield lighting system and to purchase new snow removal equipment.

nname Feb 8, 2022 7:30 PM

Seems like SK will add ARN-YYZ and CPH-YYZ for S22.

thenoflyzone Feb 8, 2022 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 9529244)
Seems like SK will add ARN-YYZ and CPH-YYZ for S22.

About time they start YYZ. Both routes will be flown with the A321LR.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29...to-to-network/

JakeLRS Feb 9, 2022 2:42 AM

Swoop added Charlottetown and Moncton last week and are adding Deer Lake and Saint John this week to its Summer program.

All from either YEG,YHM,YYZ.

thewave46 Feb 9, 2022 2:48 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9529630)
About time they start YYZ. Both routes will be flown with the A321LR.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29...to-to-network/

The newest generation of narrowbody aircraft sure has legs.

It wasn’t long ago that Pearson to Europe was a widebody mandated trip.

I look forward to increased secondary European destination options from YYZ.

zahav Feb 9, 2022 3:25 AM

Yes the use of longer range narrow bodies is really a boon for airports within thie range, it really makes so many more destinations possible. Toronto was really a natural choice, and the split between both CPH and ARN is good, rather than daily one or the other.

Calfan12 Feb 9, 2022 8:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9529848)
Swoop added Charlottetown and Moncton last week and are adding Deer Lake and Saint John this week to its Summer program.

All from either YEG,YHM,YYZ.

A signal WestJet plans to (possibly) add these seasonal Canada flights to Moncton, Saint John & Deer Lake also on its Mainline from their hub in Calgary YYC? Will see when WS officially announces their full Summer 2022 schedules in the coming weeks.

WestJet mainline already operates YYC - Charlottetown PEI during Summer seasonally.

thenoflyzone Feb 9, 2022 3:00 PM

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Originally Posted by thewave46 (Post 9529851)
The newest generation of narrowbody aircraft sure has legs.

It wasn’t long ago that Pearson to Europe was a widebody mandated trip.

I look forward to increased secondary European destination options from YYZ.

Agreed. A few things to consider though.

The A321LR range is 4,000 nm, no wind. ARN-YYZ is over 3,400 nm. Should be fine in the summer, but it will be interesting to see this route operate westbound in the dead of winter, with those nasty headwinds, which can easily add 1-2 hours to the flight time compared to the summer ops.

CO/UA operated their B757s (same range as the -LR) on TXL-EWR (almost same distance as ARN-YYZ) for years, and diversions were pretty standard in the winter months.

One thing going for SAS is that their A321LRs don't have many seats. Only 157 seats in a 3 class configuration. Compare that to TS, which has 199 seats on their A321LR's. So SAS should be able to fly further will a full passenger load.

When it comes to the -LR, this route is probably at the limits of what the plane can do, consistently, year round. Anything further would require the extra legs of the -XLR.

Dominion301 Feb 9, 2022 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9529848)
Swoop added Charlottetown and Moncton last week and are adding Deer Lake and Saint John this week to its Summer program.

All from either YEG,YHM,YYZ.

So the new Atlantic Canada routes are with peak weekly frequencies:

YDF-YHM-YEG 1x
YDF-YHM 1x
YDF-YYZ 2x
YYT-YHM 5x
YYG-YYZ 2x
YYG-YHM-YEG 2x
YYG-YHM 2x
YHZ-YOW-YWG 4x - plus AC, WS, F8 & PD on the route
YHZ-YOW-YEG 1x
YHZ-YOW 2x
YQM-YHM-YEG 2x
YQM-YHM 2x
YSJ-YYZ 4x - sort of welcome back WS to YSJ

whatnext Feb 10, 2022 1:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thewave46 (Post 9529851)
The newest generation of narrowbody aircraft sure has legs.

It wasn’t long ago that Pearson to Europe was a widebody mandated trip.

I look forward to increased secondary European destination options from YYZ.

More's the pity. This is a step backward. Widebodies are way better in terms of passenger comfort.

esquire Feb 10, 2022 1:45 AM

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Originally Posted by whatnext (Post 9531248)
More's the pity. This is a step backward. Widebodies are way better in terms of passenger comfort.

How so? Seating on the SAS A321LRs looks identical to what you would expect to see on a widebody. Lie-flat business, spacious premium economy seats and regular economy.

Truenorth00 Feb 10, 2022 1:58 AM

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Originally Posted by whatnext (Post 9531248)
More's the pity. This is a step backward. Widebodies are way better in terms of passenger comfort.

Not really. I'd rather have an 18" wide seat on a 321LR than a 17" wide seat on a 9-abreast 787.

Also, the long range narrowbodies should open up more secondary and tertiary cities, reducing connections. Huge for cities like Halifax, Quebec City, Ottawa and Edmonton.

Dominion301 Feb 10, 2022 3:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00 (Post 9531308)
Not really. I'd rather have an 18" wide seat on a 321LR than a 17" wide seat on a 9-abreast 787.

Also, the long range narrowbodies should open up more secondary and tertiary cities, reducing connections. Huge for cities like Halifax, Quebec City, Ottawa and Edmonton.

100% agree.

Dominion301 Feb 10, 2022 3:18 AM

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...897878110.html

Swoop's expansion includes another surprise. For their next six tails, instead of hand-me-down 738s, they're getting part of WS' order of factory-new 7M8s.


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