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thewave46 Aug 15, 2022 3:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SFUVancouver (Post 9702869)
Had a fun time at Pearson on the weekend. Waited 1 hour, 40 minutes for our baggage. The flight was only 2 hours. What a joke of an airport of late.

Finally, at Pearson, when our flight’s luggage took an extraordinary amount of time to arrive, and only in dribbles of one or two bags at a time, a Flair person staffing the nearby lost luggage desk had no explanation, nor any apparent access to a manager or airport liaison to investigate the delay. Our first bag took about 45 minutes to arrive, the second arrived at 1 hour 40 minutes after our flight landed. Things were beginning to get heated between the remaining passengers and the Flair person when we left.

I'm curious if the failure is the baggage handling or the airport. Don't get me wrong, Pearson has a lot of work to do itself, but handling the bags is mostly a responsibility of the airline. Airlines coordinate with their own baggage handlers; the airport has no say there.

I wouldn't fly Flair, especially with bags at this juncture. Honestly, I would desperately try and avoid flying anyone for as long as I can these days, much less through a major hub.

That being said, ULCC operations are sketchy for service at best. You want cheap price, you pay for that. I have minimal patience for misery on my limited vacation time these days.

Somebody wants to burn cash in Canada with all these upstart ULCCs. Into the fire it goes, I suppose.

Dominion301 Aug 15, 2022 3:50 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9702607)
I agree that it's very concerning, especially if you're from Ottawa, but YHZ, YQB and YXY have inbound tourism from Europe. YOW has less of that. So that's 1 aspect. It surely explains why DE, AF and 4Y serve those three, but not YOW.

Also, YOW is dependent on AC/LH for long haul service, and AC's priority is on building back its hubs at the moment. No one else will add transatlantic from YOW, unfortunately. TS and WS aren't really interested. So that narrows the field a bit. AC's hubs should be up and running at full steam come next summer, so maybe AC might resume YOW-LHR/FRA come summer 2024.

As for YHZ, there is a strong possibility that WS doesn't resume any of its european destinations from there next summer.

In Ottawa they're finally talking about setting up a travel bank through travel & tourism marketing fees and the tech companies to pony up the guaranteed dollars to have the incentives for the airlines to mitigate their risk. Should have happened +15 years ago, but at least it appears to be coming soon. YOW's also an airport that can never catch a break. Recent pre-pandemic examples:
-WS were on the verge of announcing 3x weekly to LGW on the MAX and then the MAX was grounded.
-LH was going to be here, but COVID hit and then they abandoned it.
-The Airport Authority said they were on the verge of landing a carrier to serve CDG in summer 2021 and then the pandemic hits.
-Summer 2020 demand for YOW-LHR was so strong that instead of going 763-788 post retirement, summer 2020 was supposed to be a 333.
These are but a few of the multitude of examples over the decades that YOW's had two steps backward before taking a step forward.

The XLR in the airline fleets brings YOW a world of possibilities in the latter half of this decade and into the 2030s. If Porter can pull this E95 venture off (and I think they can with WS re-becoming a largely western regional airline, PD can become the eastern equivalent to keep AC honest), I could see an eventual XLR order for PD towards the end of this decade.

You're right about 2024 is probably when YOW gets back transatlantic service. It still seems to be in AC's plans as AC have left the YOW routes' traditional LHR and FRA flight numbers vacant. It's also when the 321XLRs should start to be on property.

It would be rather shocking if WS pulls out of the YHZ-transatlantic market. If that were to happen, I wonder what would happen to the LGW slot?

SFUVancouver Aug 15, 2022 3:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thewave46 (Post 9702929)
I'm curious if the failure is the baggage handling or the airport. Don't get me wrong, Pearson has a lot of work to do itself, but handling the bags is mostly a responsibility of the airline. Airlines coordinate with their own baggage handlers; the airport has no say there.

I wouldn't fly Flair, especially with bags at this juncture. Honestly, I would desperately try and avoid flying anyone for as long as I can these days, much less through a major hub.

That being said, ULCC operations are sketchy for service at best. You want cheap price, you pay for that. I have minimal patience for misery on my limited vacation time these days.

Somebody wants to burn cash in Canada with all these upstart ULCCs. Into the fire it goes, I suppose.

I agree entirely with you aversion to flying these days, much less with a low-cost carrier. This was leisure travel to the family cabin, so we had pretty high tolerance for airport/airline delay nonsense (e.g. no connecting flights, no specific arrival time, no meetings, etc.) and a couple of airline credits for a cancelled work trip that we wanted to use up ASAP. With that said, I just didn't think very much of Flair from this, our first experience, and would not likely choose them again in the future. It's not that things went wrong, per se, but rather how they handled them (or didn't).

esquire Aug 15, 2022 4:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver (Post 9702869)
Had a fun time at Pearson on the weekend. Waited 1 hour, 40 minutes for our baggage. The flight was only 2 hours. What a joke of an airport of late.

We also took Flair for the first time. What a joke of an airline, too. We couldn’t check in online because of unspecified system issues but they provided an error code and magnanimous promise to waive the $25 airport check-in desk fee. Then we got an email about 12 hours before the flight saying “your flight has changed” but it didn’t provide any details, just a suggestion to check our reservation at Flair’s website. We tired to do so, but only got a concerning “no reservation found” result to our reservation code/last name search. We then had to use Flair's chat feature and began slogging through the pre-made FAQ prompts to get a person. Pro-tip, if you successfully initiate admittance to the live-person queue by saying "agent", it will confirm that you will speak to someone and gives you an estimated wait time (<15 minutes, so not terrible). Here's the tip, once you are in the queue, the chat will suggest additional self-serve FAQ topics to explore while you wait. If you choose one, it apparently cancels your place in the queue and puts you back to square one to re-request an agent (and new wait time estimate). When we did connect to someone live, there was a delay of up to 5 minutes between typing something and receiving their response. Ultimately, they couldn’t answer any questions about our flight or the itinerary changes but said they would have their system send us an automatically generated updated itinerary, which told us the flight was only delayed by 20 minutes. When I asked why this info wasn’t sent with be original email, which is simply the bare minimum for any itinerary change-related airline communication, and why we were unable to even access our reservation online, they simply ended the chat after a final 5 minute delay.

Arriving at the airport (Winnipeg) ~2.5 hours before the revised departure time, we found a long line for the Flair check-in/bag drop agents, which airport staff were actively managing to avoid clogging the terminal entrance after it snaked out of the holding queue. Based on snippets of overheard conversation it seems like a fair proportion of folks were unable to check in. It also appeared as if Flair hadn't provided any additional check in agents to handle the issue as only half of the check in points were staffed. Furthermore, there was no option to use the airport multi-airline self-serve check in kiosks for Flair to obtain a boarding pass and/or bag drop tags, so everyone who was unable to have checked in and/or just needed a bag drop tag had to wait together. When we eventually got nearly to the head of the line, a staff person was asking everyone if they had checked in (almost universally answered “no”) and they said that the $25 fee would only be waived if people had taken screenshots of their error message. Fortunately, we had. But the lady behind us had not and the agent said “no screen shot, no fee waiver”. I pulled up our screenshot and told the passenger the error code, but the agent sort of glared at me and reiterated that individual passengers had to provide their own screenshots and then moved farther down to the line.

Once on board, I found that my seat was dirty: a big finger-smear of something frosting-like was caked on the rear of the seat in front of me, the overhead reading light and air vent were similarly crusty, and in the seat pocket there was a bit of discarded trash. Otherwise, the in-flight product was a straight-forward LCC.

Finally, at Pearson, when our flight’s luggage took an extraordinary amount of time to arrive, and only in dribbles of one or two bags at a time, a Flair person staffing the nearby lost luggage desk had no explanation, nor any apparent access to a manager or airport liaison to investigate the delay. Our first bag took about 45 minutes to arrive, the second arrived at 1 hour 40 minutes after our flight landed. Things were beginning to get heated between the remaining passengers and the Flair person when we left.

Whenever I start getting tempted to book a flight on Flair or another ULCC, I read something like this (and there have been many such stories lately), and the feeling passes.

It's getting to the point where airlines treat passengers as an inconvenience at best... like they are doing you some kind of special favour by providing the basic level of service that they offered, and you purchased.

I was never a huge road trip guy, but I have to say that road trips are a better choice right now, at least until air travel in this country gets sorted out again. I have been lucky to not have any epic foul-ups on my flights so far this year, but there have been enough minor headaches to make me wary. I was thinking of booking a trip to Europe next summer for the family vacation, but I'm having second thoughts about it. The potential stress is more than I want to deal with.

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Originally Posted by thewave46 (Post 9702929)
I wouldn't fly Flair, especially with bags at this juncture. Honestly, I would desperately try and avoid flying anyone for as long as I can these days, much less through a major hub.

That being said, ULCC operations are sketchy for service at best. You want cheap price, you pay for that. I have minimal patience for misery on my limited vacation time these days.

Couldn't agree more.

Denscity Aug 15, 2022 4:47 PM

Vancouver seems to have no problems. Toronto and maybe Montreal is still best to avoid.

esquire Aug 15, 2022 4:54 PM

One of the most unforgivable customer service sins by an airline is one I have been reading about more often lately... the dreaded departure time death by a thousand cuts, where your departure gets rolled back half an hour at a time such that your 6 pm departure eventually becomes a midnight departure, before the flight gets cancelled altogether and you are left scrambling for an empty hotel room.

Stuff like this is absolute horse shit:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...gers-1.6544249

thewave46 Aug 15, 2022 5:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esquire (Post 9703000)
One of the most unforgivable customer service sins by an airline is one I have been reading about more often lately... the dreaded departure time death by a thousand cuts, where your departure gets rolled back half an hour at a time such that your 6 pm departure eventually becomes a midnight departure, before the flight gets cancelled altogether and you are left scrambling for an empty hotel room.

The end of cheap flying comes to haunt us, mostly.

It's great that fares have plummeted in a certain sense, but the cost of that is basically the operations of airlines are run without any slack.

COVID put a knife in the cheap labour that used to be the backbone of the industry. Airlines don't have any obvious fat to trim: the seats are packed in to the max, pilots are scarce, the frills are gone (or one pays for them), high fuel prices mean that new, efficient airplanes are just as (if not more) costly to run than pre-COVID. The last vestiges of cheap flying are ULCCs that survive on the cash of investors being shovelled into the fire.

The ending of a golden era, I suppose. It was fun while it lasted.

Calfan12 Aug 15, 2022 5:50 PM

Looks like WestJet 787 will be operating on Vancouver YVR - Peurto Vallarta PVR from October 30 2022- end of April 2023 & similar to the Calgary YYC -PVR in Western Canada service on the WS 787 .

WS 787 service for YVR is now year round.

WestJet in Northern winter 2022/23 season plans to expand capacity on Vancouver – Puerto Vallarta route, through the schedule of Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner aircraft. 1 of 2 daily service will be operated by Boeing 787 instead of 737, from 30OCT22 to 29APR23.

The following schedule is effective from the month of January 2023.

WS2152 YVR0835 – 1532PVR 737 D
WS2154 YVR1020 – 1650PVR 789 D

WS2153 PVR1625 – 1941YVR 737 D
WS2155 PVR1850 – 2141YVR 789 D

The carrier’s Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner will once again operate Calgary – Puerto Vallarta route one round-trip flight a day, from 30OCT22 to 29APR23.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220815-wsnw22yvrpvr

manny_santos Aug 15, 2022 6:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver (Post 9702869)
Had a fun time at Pearson on the weekend. Waited 1 hour, 40 minutes for our baggage. The flight was only 2 hours. What a joke of an airport of late.

We also took Flair for the first time. What a joke of an airline, too. We couldn’t check in online because of unspecified system issues but they provided an error code and magnanimous promise to waive the $25 airport check-in desk fee. Then we got an email about 12 hours before the flight saying “your flight has changed” but it didn’t provide any details, just a suggestion to check our reservation at Flair’s website. We tired to do so, but only got a concerning “no reservation found” result to our reservation code/last name search. We then had to use Flair's chat feature and began slogging through the pre-made FAQ prompts to get a person. Pro-tip, if you successfully initiate admittance to the live-person queue by saying "agent", it will confirm that you will speak to someone and gives you an estimated wait time (<15 minutes, so not terrible). Here's the tip, once you are in the queue, the chat will suggest additional self-serve FAQ topics to explore while you wait. If you choose one, it apparently cancels your place in the queue and puts you back to square one to re-request an agent (and new wait time estimate). When we did connect to someone live, there was a delay of up to 5 minutes between typing something and receiving their response. Ultimately, they couldn’t answer any questions about our flight or the itinerary changes but said they would have their system send us an automatically generated updated itinerary, which told us the flight was only delayed by 20 minutes. When I asked why this info wasn’t sent with be original email, which is simply the bare minimum for any itinerary change-related airline communication, and why we were unable to even access our reservation online, they simply ended the chat after a final 5 minute delay.

Arriving at the airport (Winnipeg) ~2.5 hours before the revised departure time, we found a long line for the Flair check-in/bag drop agents, which airport staff were actively managing to avoid clogging the terminal entrance after it snaked out of the holding queue. Based on snippets of overheard conversation it seems like a fair proportion of folks were unable to check in. It also appeared as if Flair hadn't provided any additional check in agents to handle the issue as only half of the check in points were staffed. Furthermore, there was no option to use the airport multi-airline self-serve check in kiosks for Flair to obtain a boarding pass and/or bag drop tags, so everyone who was unable to have checked in and/or just needed a bag drop tag had to wait together. When we eventually got nearly to the head of the line, a staff person was asking everyone if they had checked in (almost universally answered “no”) and they said that the $25 fee would only be waived if people had taken screenshots of their error message. Fortunately, we had. But the lady behind us had not and the agent said “no screen shot, no fee waiver”. I pulled up our screenshot and told the passenger the error code, but the agent sort of glared at me and reiterated that individual passengers had to provide their own screenshots and then moved farther down to the line.

Once on board, I found that my seat was dirty: a big finger-smear of something frosting-like was caked on the rear of the seat in front of me, the overhead reading light and air vent were similarly crusty, and in the seat pocket there was a bit of discarded trash. Otherwise, the in-flight product was a straight-forward LCC.

Finally, at Pearson, when our flight’s luggage took an extraordinary amount of time to arrive, and only in dribbles of one or two bags at a time, a Flair person staffing the nearby lost luggage desk had no explanation, nor any apparent access to a manager or airport liaison to investigate the delay. Our first bag took about 45 minutes to arrive, the second arrived at 1 hour 40 minutes after our flight landed. Things were beginning to get heated between the remaining passengers and the Flair person when we left.

At least you got your luggage in under 2 hours. At Pearson I waited 3 hours for mine 2 1/2 weeks ago, and it was almost 2am. Lynx didn't even have staff available, absolutely no communication.

Still, your length of wait is unacceptable. When I landed at YVR a week ago, my bag was already on the carousel when I entered the baggage area. I've never had a problem with YVR.

Edit: I've just ordered an Apple AirTag. It's an 11-day wait to pick one up from their Metrotown location in Burnaby, but as I'm not travelling again until mid-September I'm fine with the wait.

manny_santos Aug 15, 2022 6:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SFUVancouver (Post 9702939)
I agree entirely with you aversion to flying these days, much less with a low-cost carrier. This was leisure travel to the family cabin, so we had pretty high tolerance for airport/airline delay nonsense (e.g. no connecting flights, no specific arrival time, no meetings, etc.) and a couple of airline credits for a cancelled work trip that we wanted to use up ASAP. With that said, I just didn't think very much of Flair from this, our first experience, and would not likely choose them again in the future. It's not that things went wrong, per se, but rather how they handled them (or didn't).

I have never flown Flair and probably never will. Their reservation system doesn't accept spaces in the Last Name field; my legal name as it appears on my passport contains a space, so I'm not taking any chances not entering it. None of the other airlines I've flown with have this problem with my name.

I flagged this to them over a year ago and they've never fixed it. That tells me everything I need to know about that airline.

manny_santos Aug 15, 2022 6:06 PM

And then there was this incident with Swoop, another ULCC:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ight-1.6550377

Some might argue that these people are trying to "pull the race card", but their story was collaborated by a passenger in another row, and the non-POC passenger who agreed to the seat swap didn't get asked to leave the plane.

casper Aug 15, 2022 6:34 PM

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Originally Posted by manny_santos (Post 9703081)
And then there was this incident with Swoop, another ULCC:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ight-1.6550377

Some might argue that these people are trying to "pull the race card", but their story was collaborated by a passenger in another row, and the non-POC passenger who agreed to the seat swap didn't get asked to leave the plane.

When I read these stories I always think of this video....

Video Link

casper Aug 15, 2022 6:43 PM

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Originally Posted by manny_santos (Post 9703077)
I have never flown Flair and probably never will. Their reservation system doesn't accept spaces in the Last Name field; my legal name as it appears on my passport contains a space, so I'm not taking any chances not entering it. None of the other airlines I've flown with have this problem with my name.

I flagged this to them over a year ago and they've never fixed it. That tells me everything I need to know about that airline.

I was on Flair once before COVID. It was a weird day I needed to make a meeting in Edmonton and everything that would have worked was booked.

Back then they were flying 737-400 and did not have modern aircraft. I assumed it was due to the old less reliable aircraft. Clearly my assumption was wrong.

I would try to avoid them.

samuelx88 Aug 15, 2022 6:49 PM

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Originally Posted by manny_santos (Post 9703077)
I have never flown Flair and probably never will. Their reservation system doesn't accept spaces in the Last Name field; my legal name as it appears on my passport contains a space, so I'm not taking any chances not entering it. None of the other airlines I've flown with have this problem with my name.

I flagged this to them over a year ago and they've never fixed it. That tells me everything I need to know about that airline.

I never got any problem with adding a space in the last name field with Flair. What happens when you try it? Is it on their website or in the app?

thenoflyzone Aug 15, 2022 6:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esquire (Post 9703000)
One of the most unforgivable customer service sins by an airline is one I have been reading about more often lately... the dreaded departure time death by a thousand cuts, where your departure gets rolled back half an hour at a time such that your 6 pm departure eventually becomes a midnight departure, before the flight gets cancelled altogether and you are left scrambling for an empty hotel room.

Stuff like this is absolute horse shit:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...gers-1.6544249

Yeah I read that a few days ago. It's completely unacceptable. If AC cancels your connecting flight, they have a responsibility of taking care of you. I hope she gets the compensation she deserves.

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Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 9702993)
Vancouver seems to have no problems. Toronto and maybe Montreal is still best to avoid.

I don't know what it is with YYZ and all these baggage delays, but it's not that bad in YUL. At least it wasn't when i came back from PUJ with AC last month. My bags were waiting for me at the carousel when I got there 15 minutes after de-planing. Customs was a breeze as well, but it was midnight. Not representative of a peak arrival time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 9703098)
When I read these stories I always think of this video....

Nice....I had never seen that, but it's well done.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9702937)

It would be rather shocking if WS pulls out of the YHZ-transatlantic market. If that were to happen, I wonder what would happen to the LGW slot?

I mean, LGW slots aren't all that important. Now that WS has secured 4x weekly summer slots at LHR, and daily slots in winter, they could easily forego of at least 1 slot pair at LGW.

WS official wording, when they announced their western re-focus, was that they will maintain their international presence to Europe, but not necessarily increase it. That tells me they might have 1 slot pair too many to LGW.

manny_santos Aug 15, 2022 7:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samuelx88 (Post 9703110)
I never got any problem with adding a space in the last name field with Flair. What happens when you try it? Is it on their website or in the app?

Website. However I last tried in October 2021, so they may have fixed it since then.

Calfan12 Aug 16, 2022 7:53 AM

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nname Aug 16, 2022 8:36 AM

Looks like AC is increasing YYZ-DXB to 6x weekly this winter.

Wonder if EK is going to do the same, or split the service into multiple routes.

thenoflyzone Aug 16, 2022 9:23 AM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 9703603)
Looks like AC is increasing YYZ-DXB to 6x weekly this winter.

Wonder if EK is going to do the same, or split the service into multiple routes.

AC could have flown 6x weekly to DXB since June 2003. Don't think this changes anything.

https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/transport-...-arab-emirates

They can even fly 10x weekly since 2018 if they wanted to. From what I can see, EK is still limited to 5x weekly service to Canada, due to the frequency split with EY (still don't know why EY has 6x weekly frequencies while EK has 5). EK haven't made any requests for additional capacity with the CTA.

If WS wants to enter DXB, now is the time to go in and snatch those other 4x weekly Canadian frequencies. Or else, forever hold your peace ! Wouldn't surprise me if AC jumps on those unused frequencies to start YUL-DXB. (I would have said YVR-DXB, if not for the Russian airspace closure)

hollywoodcory Aug 16, 2022 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9703060)

WS 787 service for YVR is now year round.

WS has had year-round 787 service at YVR this whole time? Last winter they ran daily YVR-OGG. The winter before that they served YYZ-YVR.


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