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nname Mar 25, 2023 6:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeLRS (Post 9901645)
The flair cuts have begun amid them losing 4 aircraft.
They've also slimmed some core frequencies in May/June as well as frequencies in the summer.

Ill let nname spill all the beans since he has an efficient way to do things.

One thing for sure:
YKF-YEG - axed

I'm not sure this cut would account for 4 planes though... This is the July/August frequency:

Reduction:
YEG-YLW 14->12
YEG-YYZ 14->12
YEG-YUL 5->4
YEG-YKA 4->3
YEG-LAS cancelled
YEG-SFO cancelled

YOW-YHZ 4->3
YOW-FLL cancelled

YKF-YVR 10->9
YKF-YWG 4->3
YKF-YDF 3->2
YKF-YEG cancelled

YXX-YYC 21->12
YXX-YEG 21->14

YYC-YYZ 18->14

YYZ-YWG 21->18
YYZ-YLW cancelled

YVR-YYZ 24->17
YVR-YYC 17->14
YVR-SFO 7->4

Increases:
YYC-YKF 7->10
YEG-YOW 3->4
YWG-YLW 2->3

Reorder the list by the base it usually run from

Look at it again.. not sure if the schedule is finished, but seems like Flair is trying to covering some of the frequency through increase utilization of planes and red-eyes. Basically 70% of the route have time change.

Only thing for certain from quickly looking at the schedule... the bases that lost planes are YXX (x2) and YKF (x1). The YVR/YEG/YYC/YYZ reduction are due to the need to cover for YXX and YKF.

Dominion301 Mar 25, 2023 3:55 PM

That looks like it’s enough to cover the reduced fleet size. Assuming they can survive the next few weeks, months, maybe this is the swift kick in the butt for them to rationalize.

YOW-FLL would be a return to seasonal, returning late October. It was rather surprising they were keeping it for this summer to begin with.

thenoflyzone Mar 25, 2023 8:52 PM

Looks like there was a fire last night inside the YYT terminal building, on the second floor. The terminal building will be closed until tomorrow evening. This will surely screw up the travel plans of thousands this weekend.

https://stjohnsairport.com/wp-conten...ch-25-2023.pdf

On an unrelated note,

YYZ published its 2022 stats.

Total passengers: 35.6 million +180.8%
Domestic: 14.3 million +111.5%
International: 21.3 million +260.1%

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...846490194.html

I updated wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...in_Canada#2022

thenoflyzone Mar 26, 2023 6:58 AM

Speaking of YYT,

Looks like PD has applied to the CTA for scheduled service authority to a bunch of countries, including Cuba, Colombia, Costa Rica, Mexico, Haiti, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Panama, the UK and the EU.

https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/decisions-determinations

The application for sun routes isn't a surprise, but the UK/EU is, as far as I'm concerned.

The only place they could theoretically fly the E195 to the UK is from YYT. DUB is doable from both YYT and YHZ.

As for the Central American applications, the only places they could comfortably reach Panama or Costa Rica from is YYZ/YUL/YOW.

Once again, I can't help but highlight the inability of the E195 to compete effectively in these markets versus the Canadian incumbents, which utilize 189 seat 737s, or even widebodies to the countries mentioned.

magee_b Mar 26, 2023 7:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9902232)
Speaking of YYT,

Looks like PD has applied to the CTA for scheduled service authority to a bunch of countries, including Cuba, Colombia, Costa Rica, Mexico, Haiti, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Panama, the UK and the EU.

https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/decisions-determinations

The application for sun routes isn't a surprise, but the UK/EU is, as far as I'm concerned.

The only place they could theoretically fly the E195 to the UK is from YYT. DUB is doable from both YYT and YHZ.

As for the Central American applications, the only places they could comfortably reach Panama or Costa Rica from is YYZ/YUL/YOW.

Once again, I can't help but highlight the inability of the E195 to compete effectively in these markets versus the Canadian incumbents, which utilize 189 seat 737s, or even widebodies to the countries mentioned.

Isn’t that authorization also requires to handle codeshare arrangements? If so, it could be so they are able to place a PD flight number on a partner’s flight.

Djeffery Mar 26, 2023 12:31 PM

Maybe Porter knows of some Max 8's coming available soon at a Canadian airport near you? Would be odd for them to add a third type so soon, but who knows?

Dominion301 Mar 26, 2023 3:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magee_b (Post 9902239)
Isn’t that authorization also requires to handle codeshare arrangements? If so, it could be so they are able to place a PD flight number on a partner’s flight.

Correct. The overseas authorities are for codesharing only.

mxg308 Mar 26, 2023 4:07 PM

AC1688 diverted today to BNA

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...110Z/CYQB/KBNA

casper Mar 26, 2023 4:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9902337)
Correct. The overseas authorities are for codesharing only.

For those of us living in smaller cities this is a positive.

Air Canada has its codeshares with Star Alliance.
WestJet is mostly entering into codeshares with Skyteam.

If Porter enters into agreements with the Oneworld airlines that provides options for connecting. We now need to have Porter displace all those silly ULCC airlines that don't know how to make onward connections.

thewave46 Mar 26, 2023 9:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9901864)
That looks like it’s enough to cover the reduced fleet size. Assuming they can survive the next few weeks, months, maybe this is the swift kick in the butt for them to rationalize.

They came closer to seizing 11 planes from Flair than most realized

"Because of the persistent failure to pay the leases on time, airplane lessors were actively shopping around 11 of the MAXs in Flair’s fleet to other airlines before the four were seized.

According to an interview Jones gave to the Globe & Mail in Toronto, the other seven planes were saved from that fate only when 777 Partners finally made the lease payments."

Not reassuring.

thewave46 Mar 26, 2023 9:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9902232)
Speaking of YYT,

Looks like PD has applied to the CTA for scheduled service authority to a bunch of countries, including Cuba, Colombia, Costa Rica, Mexico, Haiti, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Panama, the UK and the EU.

https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/decisions-determinations

The application for sun routes isn't a surprise, but the UK/EU is, as far as I'm concerned.

The only place they could theoretically fly the E195 to the UK is from YYT. DUB is doable from both YYT and YHZ.

As for the Central American applications, the only places they could comfortably reach Panama or Costa Rica from is YYZ/YUL/YOW.

Once again, I can't help but highlight the inability of the E195 to compete effectively in these markets versus the Canadian incumbents, which utilize 189 seat 737s, or even widebodies to the countries mentioned.

Is Porter hitting the saturation point of its Canada/US operations that quickly?

They are taking 50 E195s, so that's a fair number of aircraft. There's not a ton of underserved capacity in the market. Admittedly Embraer needs to keep production going, so Porter could be getting an exceptionally good deal on those planes, so maybe the math pencils out?

The odour of money burning in the Canadian aviation scene has markedly increased. Just like the tinges of smoke from a far away forest fire.

Dominion301 Mar 27, 2023 2:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thewave46 (Post 9902549)
Is Porter hitting the saturation point of its Canada/US operations that quickly?

They are taking 50 E195s, so that's a fair number of aircraft. There's not a ton of underserved capacity in the market. Admittedly Embraer needs to keep production going, so Porter could be getting an exceptionally good deal on those planes, so maybe the math pencils out?

The odour of money burning in the Canadian aviation scene has markedly increased. Just like the tinges of smoke from a far away forest fire.

I don’t see the correlation. Codesharing will bring in bonus revenue for PD. PD have a long-standing interline with B6 and a few others so codesharing is a natural progression.

Seeking route authorities to fly sun routes was a given.

Dominion301 Mar 27, 2023 2:58 PM

Today PD launches YOW-BOS daily, YOW-EWR 2x daily and YOW-YQT 2x daily.
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/p ... 33484.html

This brings PD's total YOW destination count up to 8 with YYG coming on May 17.

AC also resume YOW-YQB today (only resumed for about 6 weeks last spring until the Jazz schedule trimming and travel surge meltdown) and UA add a 3rd daily YOW-EWR bringing *A to 4x on the route and finally bringing back an EWR late afternoon departure that actually leaves past noon. Since October 2022 YOW-EWR on UA/AC has been 3x but bizarrely all the departures were in the morning.

hollywoodcory Mar 27, 2023 6:13 PM

WS Cargo filed initial routes in the OAG, as outlined by Aeroroutes:
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230327-wscns23

YYC-YYZ - 3x weekly
YYC-YYZ-YHZ - 5x weekly
YYC-YVR-LAX - Up to 1x daily
YYZ-MIA - 1x daily
YYZ-YVR - 5x weekly

Flight numbers are in the 9000-9199 area.

thenoflyzone Mar 27, 2023 7:20 PM

So YUL, YYC and YVR have January 2023 numbers now posted. Percentages are compared to the same month in 2019. Interesting bits in red.

YVR

Total: 1,794,415 -11.5%
Domestic: 876,305 -7.0%
International: 489,179 -17.0%
Transborder: 428,931 -13.4%

https://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/docum...passengers.pdf

YUL

Total: 1,486,103 -3.0%
Domestic: 416,277 -15.1%
International: 744,761 +6.2%
Transborder: 325,065 -4.5%

https://www.admtl.com/sites/default/...ats_jan_EN.pdf

YYC

Total: 1,221,998 -12.0%
Domestic: 809,122 -13.8%
International: 190,134 +3.3%
Transborder: 222,742 -16.2%

https://www.yyc.com/en-us/media/fact...tatistics.aspx

So YUL is more or less at 2019 numbers. International is way up. Domestic is disappointing. Then again, it always was, and always will be disappointing.

YVR is still well below 2019 numbers, especially on the international count.

YYC's international numbers are above that of 2019, but the rest still has some catch up to do, same as YVR.

Bourkky Mar 28, 2023 2:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9903253)
So YUL, YYC and YVR have January 2023 numbers now posted. Percentages are compared to the same month in 2019. Interesting bits in red.

YVR

Total: 1,794,415 -11.5%
Domestic: 876,305 -7.0%
International: 489,179 -17.0%
Transborder: 428,931 -13.4%

https://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/docum...passengers.pdf

YUL

Total: 1,486,103 -3.0%
Domestic: 416,277 -15.1%
International: 744,761 +6.2%
Transborder: 325,065 -4.5%

https://www.admtl.com/sites/default/...ats_jan_EN.pdf

YYC

Total: 1,221,998 -12.0%
Domestic: 809,122 -13.8%
International: 190,134 +3.3%
Transborder: 222,742 -16.2%

https://www.yyc.com/en-us/media/fact...tatistics.aspx

So YUL is more or less at 2019 numbers. International is way up. Domestic is disappointing. Then again, it always was, and always will be disappointing.

YVR is still well below 2019 numbers, especially on the international count.

YYC's international numbers are above that of 2019, but the rest still has some catch up to do, same as YVR.

Shouldn't January and February be compared to 2020? The numbers would be even lower. Just saying. Hehe!!

hehehe Mar 28, 2023 8:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bourkky (Post 9903614)
Shouldn't January and February be compared to 2020? The numbers would be even lower. Just saying. Hehe!!

For YYC's Jan and Feb numbers for 2020 they're slightly lower than those of 2019 I believe.

Alexcaban Mar 28, 2023 3:08 PM

Air France's YUL-CDG route is showing back up to 4x daily this summer after it was reduced to 3 daily in Feb.

KLM's YUL-AMS also showing daily from 5x weekly. I'm guessing they did not like AC adding AMS.

hollywoodcory Mar 28, 2023 4:40 PM

WS added some additional transborder flights in June:

YYZ-BNA Increased to up to 6x weekly
YYC-LAX Increased to up to 23x weekly (4 flights on Sat / some Thu)
YYC-PHX Increased to up to 16x weekly
YYC-BNA Increased to 5x weekly
YYC-SFO Increased to 17x weekly (previously this took effect June 30)

thenoflyzone Mar 28, 2023 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexcaban (Post 9903916)
Air France's YUL-CDG route is showing back up to 4x daily this summer after it was reduced to 3 daily in Feb.

KLM's YUL-AMS also showing daily from 5x weekly. I'm guessing they did not like AC adding AMS.

Pretty impressive, especially when you consider AF is also increasing capacity to YQB this summer and adding new service to YOW as well.

That means AF/KL will have 7 flights a day to Quebec+YOW on certain days of the week this summer.


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