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The Great Canadian Grocery Store Thread

I love grocery stores and markets. Not only because I love food, but because they're one of the most important elements of a city – they add street-level vibrancy and they reflect the culture and demography of the neighbourhoods they serve. I want this thread to be a discussion of everything grocery-related in Canadian cities, whether it's news about a new store, talking about the dynamics of food in urban environments, or just sharing some cool places to buy groceries.

Part of what got me thinking about this was my upcoming move to a new neighbourhood in Montreal. I currently live in Mile End, which has a great selection of small and medium-sized supermarkets, butchers, fishmongers, greengrocers, etc. But I'm soon moving to La Petite Patrie, which is even better in terms of food shopping. Here's a selection of what's available within a 10-minute walk of my new apartment.

I'll start with the big one: the Jean-Talon Market. It's the largest public market in Montreal, a bit touristy but still a fantastic place to buy groceries. The market itself is ringed by other food stores including several butchers, fruit shops, cheese shops, etc. Pretty much a mecca for food. And it's a six minute walk from my new place!



Next up: Milano. This is an Italian supermarket that draws people from across the city.



Sabor Latino bills itself as the largest Latin American supermarket in Canada, and I believe it, because it's fairly sizeable and Montreal has the biggest Latino population in the country. They have a good butcher counter, house-made Mexican chorizo and other types of meat, a huge selection of tortillas, and you can always find fresh chiles, tomatillos and other essentials for Latino cooking.

Best of all: this is just one of three full-service Latino supermarkets in my new neighbourhood.



IGA is one of two chain supermarkets in the area (the other being Metro). IGA is a somewhat upscale brand in Quebec and it's a good place to go for craft beer and specialty products, but for everyday fresh food it's a little expensive. This is a good example of the kind of medium-sized supermarket that is common in Montreal.



One of the things I'm most excited about is the strip of Thai and Vietnamese grocery stores right around the corner from my new place. The biggest is Marché Oriental which is a small but full-service Chinese-Vietnamese supermarket with a bakery, butcher counter and lots of fresh produce. There are also some smaller markets such as Thai Hour across the street. If you look closely there's a West African grocery store next to Marché Oriental.



Conserva is an example of a new-wave grocery store that is definitely upscale but does everything well. They have some fresh produce sourced from local farms, as well as a butcher counter and a bakery section, but the real draw is their prepared and frozen food, all of which is made in house.



Finally, the place at the corner is a fruiterie, a greengrocer that sells lots of fresh produce along with a limited supply of dry goods. It's something Montreal does really well – maybe better than any other Canadian city. Every neighbourhood has several places like this and they're usually a better bet than a supermarket for getting fruit and veg.

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Finally, the place at the corner is a fruiterie, a greengrocer that sells lots of fresh produce along with a limited supply of dry goods. It's something Montreal does really well – maybe better than any other Canadian city. Every neighbourhood has several places like this and they're usually a better bet than a supermarket for getting fruit and veg.
Vancouver is very good at this too. It helps that for about half the year the city has the same temperature and humidity as the vegetable crisper in a fridge, so they just keep both doors wide open and leave everything on the shelves.

For independent greengrocers, Toronto is just okay. Actually, it's kind of weak considering that this is a dense, walkable city full of immigrants.
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I like the Kins Farm Markets, very handy and have decent prices. But we mostly buy our produce and fruit at Costco.


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For independent greengrocers, Toronto is just okay. Actually, it's kind of weak considering that this is a dense, walkable city full of immigrants.
Hua Sheng, Kai Wei, Galaxy, Fu Yao, PAT...and dozens of smaller independent fruit and vegetable places.
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Pete's Frootique is a beloved local icon in the Halifax area:

https://petes.ca/
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Pete's Frootique is a beloved local icon in the Halifax area:
Toodlee-doo, I thought he went out of business, I guess that was just in Monkeytown, looks to be doing ok elsewhere. Haven't followed him since his heyday (in the 90s?) Apparently it's called Pete's Fine Foods now and he sold out to Sobeys. I notice the website says Pete's Frootique & Fine Foods.
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Sobeys bought Farm Boy and Longos as well.
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In St. John’s there are three main grocery chains.

Dominion (formerly Ayre’s, now owned by Loblaws - note the logo is just theirs turned around to form a D):



Sobey’s, which I believe is everywhere:



And finally Coleman’s, which even in the poorest neighbourhoods has the best selection of British/Irish imported folk staples:







Then there are still a surviving handful of formerly independent, neighbourhood groceries. Belbin’s carries single-serving meals from all the best restaurants in the city that you can just reheat and enjoy.



And beyond that every few blocks has a superette - very similar to Quebec’s dep. Booze, groceries, deli. Hugely important in disasters lol



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There used to be more fruit and veggie when I was growing up in my neighbourhoods. Those owners retired and rents are probably too high now for new start ups. Still a good selection out there. The "Kim's Convenience" stores have been decimated. There used to be one every few blocks on the main streets and a half dozen within the residential areas as well. Those in the residential areas are all gone.

This one was by my high school
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Doesn't make sense to run a convenience store out of a million dollar property
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For independent greengrocers, Toronto is just okay. Actually, it's kind of weak considering that this is a dense, walkable city full of immigrants.

It probably depends on area, but I do virtually all my shopping at independent greengrocers, butchers, bakeries and convenience stores within walking distance of my place. Roncesvalles is particularly good at this but it's been the case for most areas I've lived (far too many over the past 15 years). Lots of convenience stores disappearing in fully gentrified areas though.

A lot of the unassuming places that look like convenience stores sell a surprising variety of produce or other groceries, and often at a weirdly low price point. One of the several near me I frequent (Garden Milk and Variety) has a big selection of spice and vegan alternatives which is interesting.

Some of my favourites near me on Roncesvalles, which range from dirt cheap to the more upscale:

-Russells Butcher for good quality meat (https://www.russellsbutchershop.com/)
-Master Grocery for most of my vegetables and staples
-Alimentari for Italian food products and some alcohol (https://alimentarito.com/)
-Garden Milk and Variety for vegan stuff and spices
-Mabel's Bakery for baked goods
-Benna's Bakery and Deli for Polish stuff and cured meats


I think I've been to a large format grocery store maybe 5 or 6 times in the past year? At least two of those trips were getting stuff for cottage visits too. When COVID started the lines were too annoying to deal with and I just got into the habit of shopping local more.
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Sobeys bought Farm Boy and Longos as well.
And Metro bought out the large Montreal Middle Eastern grocery chain Marché Adonis.

Adonis is now present in a few other cities in Quebec, and in Ottawa and the GTA in Ontario.
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My wife loves La Bottega Nicastro in Ottawa's Byward Market. It's only about 10 minutes from our place in Gatineau so when we have a nice Italian meal we stock up there.

It has lots of amazing stuff plus some of the staff (who I assume are descendants of the founding family) even have a bit of a New York-style "whaddaya want mac?" attitude. Which is a bit off-putting in placid old Ottawa, but I suppose for some it adds to the charm!

https://www.labottega.ca
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And Metro bought out the large Montreal Middle Eastern grocery chain Marché Adonis.

Adonis is now present in a few other cities in Quebec, and in Ottawa and the GTA in Ontario.
I've been to the Ottawa Adonis a few times. It's a nice supermarket, but somehow I've never warmed to it.
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I've been to the Ottawa Adonis a few times. It's a nice supermarket, but somehow I've never warmed to it.
Agreed.

At least in my part of the world, the Sobeys family's IGA stores are the chain supermarkets that are more conducive to warming up to.

Adonis is great for the selection of stuff that isn't found in most other places.

Of course nothing truly compares to a nice Wegmans in upstate New York, but we are only discussing Canada here!

(Many people in your part of Ottawa rave about the Metro(?) on Beechwood, though I've always wondered what was so special about it. Other than it's an urban supermarket in a nice neighbourhood. Bof.)
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Agreed.

At least in my part of the world, the Sobeys family's IGA stores are the chain supermarkets that are more conducive to warming up to.

Adonis is great for the selection of stuff that isn't found in most other places.

Of course nothing truly compares to a nice Wegmans in upstate New York, but we are only discussing Canada here!

(Many people in your part of Ottawa rave about the Metro(?) on Beechwood, though I've always wondered what was so special about it. Other than it's an urban supermarket in a nice neighbourhood. Bof.)
My former part of Ottawa... The Beechwood Metro was OK, but over the last couple of years, I've noticed that they often have gaps in their shelves - not sure why they seem more prone to running out of items.
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One of the grocery stores I regularly shop at closed on December 31 after at least 3 decades in business. Your Independent Grocer (a Loblaws brand) on North Road in Burquitlam closed. It had been an Extra Foods (also a Loblaw banner) for many years and was only a YIG in the past 10 years or so.

The area around Lougheed Town Centre has lost multiple grocery stores in the past several years. Safeway outside the mall closed in 2018. However Walmart and Save-on-Foods are still within walking distance, and there’s another Safeway just one SkyTrain station away.

There’s a Real Canadian Superstore about 7-10 minutes away driving, but I much preferred the smaller YIG.
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It probably depends on area, but I do virtually all my shopping at independent greengrocers, butchers, bakeries and convenience stores within walking distance of my place. Roncesvalles is particularly good at this but it's been the case for most areas I've lived (far too many over the past 15 years). Lots of convenience stores disappearing in fully gentrified areas though.

A lot of the unassuming places that look like convenience stores sell a surprising variety of produce or other groceries, and often at a weirdly low price point. One of the several near me I frequent (Garden Milk and Variety) has a big selection of spice and vegan alternatives which is interesting.
Having lived in various neighbourhoods in both Toronto and Vancouver, I'd still stand by my comment that Vancouver is a cut above Toronto when it comes to the distribution and quality of local independent greengrocers.

Some of it might have to do with the fact that walkable retail in Toronto is often shoehorned into your traditional narrow and deep storefront, with the storage in the basement. In most cases this has made Toronto streets more vibrant than Vancouver, and different kinds of retailers have adapted to this layout, but it's not that conducive to a full-service grocery store. Square-shaped layouts which allow you to have several aisles are a lot harder to come by. I've noticed that independent greengrocers in Toronto are often located on streetcorners where they can wrap the outdoor fruit and vegetable displays in an 'L' around the sidewalk, but those sites are rare.

What the narrow and deep store arrangement has been useful for is for stores that need a single long counter running the length of the store. This might be why Toronto has a lot of neighbourhood butcher stores, although the immigrant groups who live in central Toronto vs. central Vancouver and Toronto's old history as a meat processing city ("Hogtown") probably has more to do with that.
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Some of it might have to do with the fact that walkable retail in Toronto is often shoehorned into your traditional narrow and deep storefront, with the storage in the basement. In most cases this has made Toronto streets more vibrant than Vancouver, and different kinds of retailers have adapted to this layout, but it's not that conducive to a full-service grocery store. Square-shaped layouts which allow you to have several aisles are a lot harder to come by. I've noticed that independent greengrocers in Toronto are often located on streetcorners where they can wrap the outdoor fruit and vegetable displays in an 'L' around the sidewalk, but those sites are rare.


This is a good point, and probably speaks to why I end up going to several different places to get my groceries. The greengrocer I frequent is indeed on a corner lot, as are most I'm aware of. There's a few bigger ones in Parkdale which generally has wider frontages.

The Sobey's urban format grocery in my area is a claustrophobic nightmare at the best of times. I rarely go there unless I need cheap meat.
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Sobey’s, which I believe is everywhere:
I haven't seen a Sobey's in many years, didn't even know it still existed, they're totally absent from Quebec, or at least the parts I'm used to (Sherbrooke, Quebec City, Trois-Rivières, most of Montreal and its south and north shores).

I don't even recall seeing one in 6+ months in Vancouver, I was doing most of my shopping on foot on Commercial Drive nearby, plus runs to Wal-Mart occasionally for whatever I couldn't find in my 'hood.
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My shopping habits are pretty binary: the cheapest banners (Super C and Maxi) for all the run-of-the-mill stuff, and the specialtiest places for the few things I really value. For example, there isn't a single place in Sherbrooke that sells green tea I find okay, a family friend who lives in Japan has to bring (loads of it) every time he comes back to visit.

Shopping at IGA is a weird middle ground to me. Though I guess that's what I would do if I were, say, my sis, who lives in a urban neighborhood in Montreal where they have an IGA right next to their place, and it's the only one supermarket that's right in the area.
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