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Old Posted Nov 30, 2007, 9:16 PM
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No Procura tower for Edmonton?

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/ne...43b8-8796-46ff-b958-8b98fa3ee5bf&k=29457

Silk Hat out of mothballs
Plans for condo-office tower at site called off
Mike Sadava, The Edmonton Journal
Published: 9:23 am
EDMONTON - The aroma of liver and onions will soon come wafting out of the Silk Hat Restaurant once again.

The venerable downtown restaurant was closed in June amid plans for a 40-storey skyscraper on a site that included its building on the south side of Jasper Avenue near 103rd Street.

But faced with a soft condo market, limited prospects for leasing downtown office space and skyrocketing construction costs, Procura Real Estate Services of Calgary has put plans on hold for what it touted as the tallest building in Edmonton, and has leased out the restaurant space.
The long, narrow diner, a Jasper Avenue fixture since 1912, is being resurrected by Yasser Najib Achty, who is known in the hospitality industry as "Danny Boy" and who previously owned the Silk Hat from 1988 to 1993.

Achty and his business partner, Sharon Hazen, had hoped to have it open by the start of December, but plumbing and electrical surprises and the disappearance of basic equipment such as cutlery and plates have delayed the reopening until later in the month.

But at least the neon sign with its hat and cane is glowing once again.

Achty said he has signed a 10-year-lease, which would include temporary relocation to another building for the Silk Hat if the new project proceeds and an option to lease street-level space in the new skyscraper.

"This is the heart, the cornerstone of the city, and it should not be taken out," Achty said Thursday.

"I talk to a lot of people, and they were sad (about the demise of the Silk Hat). I put it in my head and my heart that I want to get this place back.

"It's the heart of Edmonton, a tourist attraction, and I want to give it life."

The plans announced last summer for the big tower included a mix of 200 condominium units and office space.

George Schluessel, president of Procura Real Estate Services in Calgary, said a number of factors have caused his company to go slow on this project.

"We're working on the design for the building, but right now our biggest concern is seeing the absorption of office space in downtown Edmonton, which is quite slow right now," Schluessel said.

According to the latest market report by Colliers International, downtown office vacancy for Class A space slightly increased in the third quarter of this year from 4.50 to 4.53 per cent.

Procura is also rebuilding the Professional Building at Jasper Avenue and 109th Street, which will put another 240,000 square feet of office space into a limited market that could barely absorb that in a year.

Procura also submitted a proposal to provide a new building for Epcor on the Jasper Avenue site, which is also occupied by the old Paramount Theatre.

But their effort only reaped a one-line statement from a real estate agent representing Epcor, saying their bid wouldn't be considered, he said.

The company is also building the first phase of the big Century Park condominium complex on the site of the old Heritage Mall, and the market for condos is much softer than it was a year ago, he said.

Add in high construction costs affecting everything from roads to the lieutenant-governor's mansion, and it is good time to be cautious and take it one project at a time, Schluessel said.
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2007, 9:20 PM
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2007, 9:20 PM
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@ Kimo... Was the lengthy discussion we had on the subject in the Edmonton forum not enough for you ? I don't think this needs its' own thread
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2007, 9:23 PM
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@ Kimo... Was the lengthy discussion we had on the subject in the Edmonton forum not enough for you ? I don't think this needs its' own thread
I don't usually get over to the Edmonton construction thread that often, so it was ok in this case to get the info out. I wonder if this is an indicator for any of the Calgary projects Procura is working on?
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2007, 9:24 PM
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Quite frankly I'm not suprised about this. Procura already has two big projects on the go here, and a bunch more in the works.

THat 4th & 17th tower is still a go, yes ?
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2007, 9:27 PM
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not sure why we need this thread...

again...procura's tower here was never "a go" per se, but they did put something out there to see the interest levels and see what feedback they would get.

this tower will still go IMO, but not right now and it is still one of the best locations for a new tower in this wonderful city.

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Old Posted Nov 30, 2007, 9:29 PM
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2007, 9:45 PM
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Blame the Journal for making this mess! Before any sort of development process starting, they report on it...

Curiously enough, did Procura actually design a tower for this site that they planned to use? Has anyone seen it? I'd be interested to know.
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this tower will still go IMO, but not right now and it is still one of the best locations for a new tower in this wonderful city.
I hope you're right. Hell, a lot of us do!
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2007, 10:49 PM
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Procura had always intended to go ahead with other projects downtown first anyways....lots of misdirection written in this article
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2007, 11:57 PM
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From my understanding the stuff on 109 st is planned to go way before this tower. In fact they had originally planned to get the Professional revamp started 2 years ago and already have the parking in place and open for use last year with the building set to open this year. They are in fact 2 years behind schedule on that property and same with everything else. By the way they bought up the 109 St properties before the 103 street stuff and they also owned the econolodge site before purchasing the 103st properties as well
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I would say this deserves it's own thread, most Calgary forumers don't venture into the Edmonton thread very often, so this is news to us.

It's a shame that this won't go ahead, Edmonton deserves a high quality condo tower (based on the quality of Calgary's Procura tower, this one would have been a winner). Why is the market so soft there?
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2007, 3:06 AM
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Thanks for posting the article. Interesting as it may have an effect on the Calgary projects Procura working on.
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2007, 4:16 AM
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2007, 5:09 AM
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No. That's kind of the point. This was a tire kicking exercise. There is nothing at all but rumor...
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We smaller cities should go ask Toronto and Vancouver for some 40 story condos...
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So I wonder if this will affect any of Procura's projects down here. Montana is still u/c, and hopefully that one doesn't come to a halt.
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Published: 2:35 am

- A sub-headline on a story that ran on Friday's front page said that a condo-office tower on Jasper Avenue has been called off; in fact, the project has been delayed.

The same story also wrongly attributed examples of other projects affected by high construction costs -- including roads and the lieutenant-governor's mansion -- to George Schluessel of Procura Real Estate.
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The Edmonton Journal
Published: 2:35 am

- A sub-headline on a story that ran on Friday's front page said that a condo-office tower on Jasper Avenue has been called off; in fact, the project has been delayed.

The same story also wrongly attributed examples of other projects affected by high construction costs -- including roads and the lieutenant-governor's mansion -- to George Schluessel of Procura Real Estate.
Haha.
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2007, 7:40 PM
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/\/\/\ how incredibly wreckless...this is Sun-style journalism
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