Austin | Railyard | Two Towers | Proposed

The ATX · #1 Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 8:15 PM**

Filed for AULCC. These are going to be big.

ATX East Tower = 500 Apts. + 300 Condos + 15K Sq. Ft. Retail

ATX West Tower = 884K Sq. Ft. office + 15K Sq. Ft. Retail

ftp://ftp.ci.austin.tx.us/ATD_AULCC/.../200213/PLANS/

We vs us · #2 Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 8:16 PM**

Holy shit. It's real.

lzppjb · #3 Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 8:17 PM**

Can someone do some quick calculations to estimate the heights?

wwmiv · #4 Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 8:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by lzppjb

Can someone do some quick calculations to estimate the heights?

Let’s just assume those spec renderings were in the right ballpark. Hell, they might even be real renderings of the actual current design. So... ~950’ residential and ~750’ office.

The ATX · #5 Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 8:20 PM**

ATX Tower East:

ATX Tower West:

ftp://ftp.ci.austin.tx.us/ATD_AULCC/.../200213/PLANS/

wwmiv · #6 Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 8:26 PM**

From 112 units to 800 units plus office and retail. Massive increase in density here.

wwmiv · #7 Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 8:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by lzppjb

Can someone do some quick calculations to estimate the heights?

If you want something a bit more specific, a quarter block in Austin allows around 15k square feet for a floor plate. For the office tower, that equates to 59 floors. Assuming a relatively conservative 12’ slab to slab height with no amenity floors and architectural flourishes and not counting the lobby or retail, that’s 705’ already.

For the condo + apartment tower, I’ll assume an average of 1000 square feet for the apartments and 1500 square feet for the condos. That’s 15 apartment units per floor and 10 condos per floor for about 30 floors of each. Again not counting amenities, retail, lobbies, variations in floor plans, architectural aspects, etc, which could all greatly affect height that gives you at least another 700’ tower.

lzppjb · #8 Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 9:02 PM**

Thanks! That's what I was looking for. 12' for office floors is pretty conservative, isn't it? Am I mistaken, or have I seen it estimated at 14' before?

Either way, add in the amenities/lobby and a crown, and this thing will be huge.

lzppjb · #9 Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 9:05 PM**

X-posting from the Update thread:

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Originally Posted by AusTxDevelopment

As the ABJ article says, Karlin hasn't even closed on the purchase of the Railyard site yet so these renderings are definitely pie in the sky. A friend of mine sent me the screen shots she took of the brochure they mention. The scale of the towers looks different in the two massings.

wwmiv · #10 Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 9:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by lzppjb

Thanks! That's what I was looking for. 12' for office floors is pretty conservative, isn't it? Am I mistaken, or have I seen it estimated at 14' before?

Either way, add in the amenities/lobby and a crown, and this thing will be huge.

Yea, that’s conservative.

Although now that you reposted the renderings, I don’t think those are current. Notice that the east tower is labeled as having office, but the official filings do not have office in that tower

KevinFromTexas · #11 Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 10:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by lzppjb

Can someone do some quick calculations to estimate the heights?

I don't really care to do the math, but for comparison sake, these lots are 130 feet by 272 feet with 800 units in the residential tower. 360 Condominiums has 433 units, and the 360's tower's footprint is 100 feet by 272 feet. 360's roof is 472 feet 6 inches.

We vs us · #12 Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 10:23 PM**

Someone noted this in the econ dev thread, but it's worth repeating here. Just the fact that something this size is moving forward might indicate there's a client or clients with strong interest in it. The alternative -- which is presenting it on spec -- seems really far fetched.

paul78701 · #13 Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 10:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

I don't really care to do the math, but for comparison sake, these lots are 130 feet by 272 feet with 800 units in the residential tower. 360 Condominiums has 433 units, and the 360's tower's footprint is 100 feet by 272 feet. 360's roof is 472 feet 6 inches.

So wwimv's estimate of around 950' would sound about right.

AustinGoesVertical · #14 Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 11:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by We vs us

Someone noted this in the econ dev thread, but it's worth repeating here. Just the fact that something this size is moving forward might indicate there's a client or clients with strong interest in it. The alternative -- which is presenting it on spec -- seems really far fetched.

Bingo

We vs us · #15 Posted **Jan 31, 2020, 11:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by AustinGoesVertical

Bingo

That was you!

ILUVSAT · #16 Posted **Feb 1, 2020, 2:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

I don't really care to do the math, but for comparison sake, these lots are 130 feet by 272 feet with 800 units in the residential tower. 360 Condominiums has 433 units, and the 360's tower's footprint is 100 feet by 272 feet. 360's roof is 472 feet 6 inches.

Based on this model, the residential tower should be between roughly 875' & 1,075' (depending on amenity levels & crown height).

corvairkeith · #17 Posted **Feb 1, 2020, 2:50 AM**

Once again the W gets no respect in a rendering. It looks to be about the same height as the AMLI next door.

Jdawgboy · #18 Posted **Feb 1, 2020, 2:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by corvairkeith

Once again the W gets no respect in a rendering. It looks to be about the same height as the AMLI next door.

It's a conspiracy. Someone out there doesn't like the W...

clubtokyo · #19 Posted **Feb 1, 2020, 2:58 AM**

Whoa. This is crazy so this actually real? I thought this was just a fluff marketing thing with years out.

AustinGoesVertical · #20 Posted **Feb 1, 2020, 3:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by We vs us

That was you!

I know haha