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Originally Posted by trueviking
yes of course migs...what i meant to say was that there are almost no examples of 35000 seat multi purpose facilities that were effective catalysts for urban renewal....their scale and intensity of use is not congruent with that goal....more often than not they are catalysts for parking lot development.
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Office for Urbanism disagrees with you. If you don't think its a good idea putting a year round entertainment facility in a 30acre vacant portion of land right beside downtown is a good idea, well that is your problem, not mine.
http://www.cicorp.sk.ca/assets/Docum...0Design%20.pdf
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if you can provide an example otherwise, i'd love to research how they did it.
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Off the top of my head, I think they have recently build brand new football and baseball stadiums beside downtown in both Seattle and Pittsburgh. (perhaps they are trying to kill their downtowns
) Also PAVCO must be crazy spending hundreds of millions of dollars renovating their downtown stadium that is located across the street from their downtown arena. lol. But seriously those are questions you should forward to Office for Urbanism. I am sure they'd love to respond.
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forgive me migs, but after a year of your confident proclamations not materializing, i will hold off until there is at least one other source for your claims.
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For someone like yourself who proclaims to know so much about the construction industry, you should also be aware of very common things called delays and due diligence. And if you are so concerned with the delays, contact Mr Fiacco, Mr Cheveldayoff, Mr Wall, Mr Scheer, Mr Hopson, and Mr Likuwski and I am sure they will once again state the same reasons for the delays that I did. Either way, a final date of the end of February has been set to make a final decision as to whether or not to proceed with the original plan. (I know you folks in Winnipeg can only go by what you read in the media, myself I actually live in this city and am aquantances with some of the principal players, do the math)
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i am confident they will build something.....i am personally skeptical that it will be the most expensive new stadium in canadian history....the issue is mainly the claims that you have been boasting here for so long.
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see above.
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its not even that you have inside information....its the unprecedented nature of almost everything you claim that makes it difficult to believe until it is announced by someone else....even if one or two of these issues were to materialize it would be amazing.
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Its funny you say that as the majority of things I state are exactly the same as the minister in Charge of this project? Weird how that works hey? Other than the fact I've heard 'off the record' that they are going to go ahead with or without the Feds, most of my claims are already on the record by stakeholders involved in the project.
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you have claimed the city of regina will pay an incredible sum of $75m.
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That was merely my
opinion after somebody asked what I
thought the funding formula
might look like. Go back and read my statement for yourself.
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you have claimed the feds will contribute $150m contrary to every statement they make and every historic precedent.
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Huh? Do the simple math, the province is
asking the feds for 20-25% of the pricetag (which is less than 150mil) and have stated several times that they'd accept less. Never once did I say the Feds would pony up $150mil for this project. The ironinc thing is that you say my claims are unbelieveable and then you pull things out of the air that were never stated to begin with.
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you claim casino revenues will be given to the project, despite there being no political debate over such a controversial idea.
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OK now this is getting ridiculous. The provicial govt has stated many many times that their portion of funding would come from Saskatchewan Gaming, which owns Casino Regina. Living in Manitoba, if you have a problem with the province of Saskatchewans decision to use this crown corp to fund its stadium then you obviously have too much time on your hands. Did you have the same concerns about the province of BC using a crown corp to fund its $500mil renos for BC Place stadium? If you are as bored as I think you are, google the mission statement for the Saskatchewan Gaming corp, like many in the govt (and opposition) have stated, its a good fit.
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you have claimed that $150m-$200m has been secured in private financing including an unbelievable charitable donation of $100m plus, given as a public relations gesture from the potash industry.....yet, they seem to not want to publicize their PR gift, as it is all being kept a total secret.
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Once again you pull things out of thin air. Where did I say that there was $150-200mil in private financing? Do you understand what 25% of $431mil is? Are you saying that Minister Cheveldayoff is lying to the other stakeholders when he says there is 25% in public financing? I wonder how he gets away with putting an imaginary number in an P3 application for Federal funding ? Also do you understand that it might be in a companies best interest to keep their partnership quiet until its actually confirmed to get built?
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you have claimed that even if the feds do not contribute there is a magic cheque of $200m from somewhere waiting there to fill the gap....and if they dont need it it will just go back to where it came from.
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Magic cheque of $200mil??????? What in the blue hell are you talking about? Grade 3 math, the province is
asking the feds for as low as 20% of the pricetag of the project. In Manitoba, does 20% of $431mil really equal $200milllion? Wow.
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you have claimed that they are telling the feds that they have secured 25% private financing when the minister himself speaks about it as a hypothetical amount that they 'are confident they can find'.
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Weird hey that Mr Flaherty (Minster of Finance for the Govt of Canada), who was in Regina yesterday, stated yesterday on the radio that he was very impressed with the private commitment to this project. Maybe he should be calling out Mr Cheveldayoff for using the 25% number publically if its untrue. Just because you weren't there, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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you have claimed that they have most of the money secured already, yet for some reason, they do not see the political advantage in announcing it to leverage public pressure on the federal contribution.
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Have you been under a rock?? The province has been putting public pressure on the feds for months. Another disadvantage of you looking from the outside in I guess.