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Old Posted Jul 8, 2022, 7:43 PM
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All I'll say is that there are far fewer realistic potential locations for a skyscraper in center city today that even just 5 or 10 years ago. I don't think tall buildings become less likely when demand for land gets more competitive.

Will Philly get another super tall in 50 years? Who knows? That's a long ass time from now and a "super tall" is really a completely arbitrary distinction that means nothing to me. But I'm confident many tall buildings will be built here in the next 50 years.
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2022, 9:17 PM
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I think everything will be slightly scaled down vs the master plans and that's okay by me. 3151 Market appears significantly shorter than what's in that lot in the master plan west of the supertall. Same for 3001 JFK and 3025 JFK (512 ft, 361 ft respectively IRL) vs what appear to be a 700-800 footer and a 350+ footer in the master plan, albeit with the heights swapped regarding which is taller. No big deal though in my opinion. If the "supertall lot" ends up only with a project taller than FMC tower by more than 100 feet or so, I'd be happy. Doesn't need to be a supertall. I do hope it is, though.
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2022, 10:27 PM
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I'm pretty sure a 1,200 footer was also proposed for Philly? I guess that's not getting built either?
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2022, 11:20 PM
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Both are visions and not the actual plans. We've known this for years
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2022, 11:21 AM
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I'm pretty sure a 1,200 footer was also proposed for Philly? I guess that's not getting built either?
All the buildings north of the Amtrak building in that pic are a different project from Schuylkill Yards called 30th Street Station District. It has a thread on here, probably a bit buried. But yeah both renderings are just concepts.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2022, 10:16 PM
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They are demolishing and clearing the area behind the Bulletin bldg (Sparks) where one of those supertalls was supposed to go.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2022, 10:19 PM
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They are demolishing and clearing the area behind the Bulletin bldg (Sparks) where one of those supertalls was supposed to go. What are they putting there?
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=243165
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2022, 10:35 PM
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If these supertalls are visionary why are there threads here and why do they show up in the diagrams as proposals?

That'd be a bummer if there was no chance of anything of at least 8-900 feet happening.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2022, 10:45 PM
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If these supertalls are visionary why are there threads here and why do they show up in the diagrams as proposals?

That'd be a bummer if there was no chance of anything of at least 8-900 feet happening.
You’re overcomplicating it. It’s essentially a long term master plan. A few projects associated with it are already under construction or in the pipeline.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2022, 1:58 AM
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The Schuylkill Yards masterplan has a timeline until like 2050 if I recall correctly. The supertall is part of the third or fourth phase I think so I don't know why anyone is surprised that it isn't a proposal yet.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2022, 2:14 AM
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You can't really make those projections, especially on a 50 year plan. When conditions are ripe for a supertall, it will get built. It's not going to happen in year 37 because that was the plan. It could happen next year, next decade, or never.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2022, 3:49 AM
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The Schuylkill Yards masterplan has a timeline until like 2050 if I recall correctly. The supertall is part of the third or fourth phase I think so I don't know why anyone is surprised that it isn't a proposal yet.
If i recall correctly, i thought it went until 2035? and the 30th street district started planning and design in 2030, with hope to start construction in 2035?
I could be wrong, bu i remember they overlapped slightly
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I thought it was 2035 as well, even if it is 2050 that wouldn't be a 50 year plan since we're well into the century already. That's "only" 28 years from now, and 2035 only 13 short years away.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2022, 9:25 PM
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Schuylkill Yards plan is to be built out by 2035.

30th Street Station District plan is to be built by 2050.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2022, 9:39 PM
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These projections by 2035 and 2050 are arbitrary, baseless, and not meaningful without a show of work and human progress. If there was any inkling of serious inquiries or flow of money or demand before all else, then maybe something will actually happen. Happy to be wrong if there's something out there that is "concrete" to the contrary. We wouldn't want to get anyone's hope up, especially folks that drop in and think the renders are proposal...lol.
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2022, 4:52 PM
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It would probably be more clear to people if the current renderings were included in the first few posts and not the out-dated ones.



At least this gives you an idea of what properties have been filled in and where the next pieces would go.
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It would probably be more clear to people if the current renderings were included in the first few posts and not the out-dated ones.



At least this gives you an idea of what properties have been filled in and where the next pieces would go.
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2022, 5:00 PM
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Completely agree Temple...
Pieces have been built and filled in and there's current construction as well...now it's wait and see what else materializes in the coming years.
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Completely agree Temple...
Pieces have been built and filled in and there's current construction as well...now it's wait and see what else materializes in the coming years.
Yes, and I think it's worth remembering that the "Schuylkill Yards" or what Jerry Sweeney called the "down payment for the 30th Street district" is only involving properties south of the Cira Centre. So if anyone wants to have a discussion the infrastructure improvements (like the pedestrian bridges in the old 30th street rendering), a possible stadium, etc. its probably better suited for this thread: https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=223554
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2022, 6:59 PM
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Is this Link still relevant or the latest plans?

https://www.som.com/projects/philade...district-plan/

I tried to look up the "30th St District plans" for 2022 and this is what popped up after looking through some older dates links.
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