New Jersey Transit

[Nexis4Jersey]

Originally Posted by ardecila

Hey, cool I just discovered these guys:

Cape May Seashore Lines

Maybe they could be contracted to run an express service from 30th Street Camden to Cape May - especially if the state pays for them to replace their rickety old RDCs with some modern Stadler DMUs.

It would be form 30th Street and use Push - Pulls , NJT owns the line already so only a few things are needed to reactivate service. Politics as usually hold everything back....

Me passing through the Main Yard....

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[Nexis4Jersey]

The Correct Full list ...

New Jersey Transit / PATH / PATCO

New Jersey


List of Projects to break Ground in Mid 2011 / 2012 / 2013

Harrison PATH Station
Northern Branch Light Rail
Weehawken LRT PED Overpass Completion
LED Departure boards @ Trenton , Hoboken , Newark , Secaucus
Hawthorne Transit Center
Passaic - Bergen Light Rail
Morristown Station Rehabilitation
Market Street Bus Garage Rehabilitation
Newark Penn station overhaul
Dock , Delair , PATH Hackensack River Bridge repainting


List of things to be completed by 2012

Ridgewood station overhaul
Hoboken Ferry Terminal Overhaul
Hoboken PATH Terminal Overhaul
Newer Transit Bus purchase
Bus Onbroad Smartcard Collection system
Bus Rolling Stock upgrades
Commuter Railcar Rehabilitation
ALP 45DP's
More Double Decker cars
Pennsuaken Transit Center
Lackawanna line ( To Andover)
Walter Rand Transportation center overhaul
PATH Track replacement
New Plauderville station
ADA Somerville Station
Wesmont station


Projects to be completed by 2035

Hudson Bergen Light Rail - Grove Street / 18th street
6th Street Embankment Hudson Bergen Light Rail
Hudson Bergen Light Rail - Liberty State Park Spur
West Shore line
Northern Branch Light Rail
Philpsburg Connections
Transit Bus purchase
Bus Onbroad Smartcard Collection system
Bus Shelter Installation
Weehawken PED Overpass Completion
Newark Penn station overhaul
Bus Rolling Stock upgrades
Commuter Railcar Rehabilitation
New Arrow Fleet
ALP 45DP's
Arrow Refurbishment
Perth Amboy Station upgrade
Wesmont station
New Brunswick Light Rail
New Brunswick station overhaul
More Double Decker cars
Northeast Corridor wire replacement
Raritan Valley line / Northeast Corridor Grade Separation
More Sidings added to the Atlantic , Pascack Valley lines
LED Departure boards @ Trenton , Hoboken , Newark , Secaucus
Hawthorne Transit Center
Passaic - Bergen Light Rail
MOM Rail network
Lackawanna line
West Trenton line
West Trenton Riverline Extension
Hudson Bergen Light Rail > Northern Branch Corridor
Glassboro Light Rail line
Pennsuaken Transit Center
PATH extension to EWR
NJT Hudson Bergen Light Rail 440 Extension
Hoboken Ferry Terminal Overhaul
Hoboken PATH Terminal Overhaul
New Brunswick Station platform overhaul
Elizabeth Station Overhaul
Newark Embankment Overhaul
Dock , Delair , PATH Hackensack River Bridge repainting
New Portal Bridge
New Meadowlands Yard
Restoration of Ampere station
Restoration of Harrison Station
Ridgewood station overhaul
Newark Light Rail stations overhaul
Walter Rand Transportation center overhaul
Journal SQ PATH Station Overhaul
Harrison PATH station overhaul
PATH system signal upgrades
PATH Track replacement
PATCO car refurbishment
Franklin SQ PATCO station restoration
PATH PA-5 Full purchase
Hudson Bergen-Light Rail Canals Crossing Station
Hudson Bergen-Light Rail Bayonne Bridge Extension
Morristown Station Rehabilitation
New Plauderville station
ADA Somerville Station
Lindenwold Station Upgrade
Shark River Bridge Upgrades
Market Street Bus Garage Rehabilitation
Hoboken Terminal Train Shed repairs
Newark - Paterson LRT
Old Boonton line restoration
Newark Light Rail extension to West Orange
Overhauled Bloomfield Station
Bus Rapid Transit along Park Ave and Bloomfield Ave



New Jersey Transit Rail operations / PATH / PATCO
Daily Ridership Regional Rail : 301,000 / Light Rail : 72,000 / Heavy Rail : 290,000
(Projected 2030 Ridership > Regional Rail : 467,000 / Light Rail : 382,000 / Heavy Rail : 420,000)

[KVNBKLYN]

Where are you getting your information? I think you should cite your sources.

For instance, the Portal Bridge project has not been funded (recent article) and, although long overdue, is unlikely to begin construction in the next two years as you state, particularly with Christie still in office. All of the NJ Transit rail extension projects (MOM, West Trenton, Lackawanna, etc) are only in the study phase. As far as I know, none of them have funding lined up or construction schedules set. The last online reference I could find for the Bergen-Passaic rail line was from 2009 and NJ Transit doesn't even have a project page for it. Where did you read it would be starting construction in the next two years?

And where are you getting your projections for ridership in 2030? Is that something official? Can you link to a source?

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

The Correct Full list ...

New Jersey Transit / PATH / PATCO

New Jersey


List of Projects to break Ground in Mid 2011 / 2012 / 2013

Harrison PATH Station
Northern Branch Light Rail
Weehawken LRT PED Overpass Completion
LED Departure boards @ Trenton , Hoboken , Newark , Secaucus
Hawthorne Transit Center
Passaic - Bergen Light Rail
New Portal Bridge
Morristown Station Rehabilitation
Market Street Bus Garage Rehabilitation
Newark Penn station overhaul
Dock , Delair , PATH Hackensack River Bridge repainting


List of things to be completed by 2012

Ridgewood station overhaul
Hoboken Ferry Terminal Overhaul
Hoboken PATH Terminal Overhaul
Newer Transit Bus purchase
Bus Onbroad Smartcard Collection system
Bus Rolling Stock upgrades
Commuter Railcar Rehabilitation
ALP 45DP's
More Double Decker cars
Pennsuaken Transit Center
Lackawanna line ( To Andover)
Walter Rand Transportation center overhaul
PATH Track replacement
New Plauderville station
ADA Somerville Station
Wesmont station


Projects to be completed by 2035

Hudson Bergen Light Rail - Grove Street / 18th street
6th Street Embankment Hudson Bergen Light Rail
Hudson Bergen Light Rail - Liberty State Park Spur
West Shore line
Northern Branch Light Rail
Philpsburg Connections
Transit Bus purchase
Bus Onbroad Smartcard Collection system
Bus Shelter Installation
Weehawken PED Overpass Completion
Newark Penn station overhaul
Bus Rolling Stock upgrades
Commuter Railcar Rehabilitation
New Arrow Fleet
ALP 45DP's
Arrow Refurbishment
Perth Amboy Station upgrade
Wesmont station
New Brunswick Light Rail
New Brunswick station overhaul
More Double Decker cars
Northeast Corridor wire replacement
Raritan Valley line / Northeast Corridor Grade Separation
More Sidings added to the Atlantic , Pascack Valley lines
LED Departure boards @ Trenton , Hoboken , Newark , Secaucus
Hawthorne Transit Center
Passaic - Bergen Light Rail
MOM Rail network
Lackawanna line
West Trenton line
West Trenton Riverline Extension
Hudson Bergen Light Rail > Northern Branch Corridor
Glassboro Light Rail line
Pennsuaken Transit Center
PATH extension to EWR
NJT Hudson Bergen Light Rail 440 Extension
Hoboken Ferry Terminal Overhaul
Hoboken PATH Terminal Overhaul
New Brunswick Station platform overhaul
Elizabeth Station Overhaul
Newark Embankment Overhaul
Dock , Delair , PATH Hackensack River Bridge repainting
New Portal Bridge
New Meadowlands Yard
Restoration of Ampere station
Restoration of Harrison Station
Ridgewood station overhaul
Newark Light Rail stations overhaul
Walter Rand Transportation center overhaul
Journal SQ PATH Station Overhaul
Harrison PATH station overhaul
PATH system signal upgrades
PATH Track replacement
PATCO car refurbishment
Franklin SQ PATCO station restoration
PATH PA-5 Full purchase
Hudson Bergen-Light Rail Canals Crossing Station
Hudson Bergen-Light Rail Bayonne Bridge Extension
Morristown Station Rehabilitation
New Plauderville station
ADA Somerville Station
Lindenwold Station Upgrade
Shark River Bridge Upgrades
Market Street Bus Garage Rehabilitation
Hoboken Terminal Train Shed repairs
Newark - Paterson LRT
Old Boonton line restoration
Newark Light Rail extension to West Orange
Overhauled Bloomfield Station
Bus Rapid Transit along Park Ave and Bloomfield Ave



New Jersey Transit Rail operations / PATH / PATCO
Daily Ridership Regional Rail : 301,000 / Light Rail : 72,000 / Heavy Rail : 290,000
(Projected 2030 Ridership > Regional Rail : 467,000 / Light Rail : 382,000 / Heavy Rail : 420,000)

[Nexis4Jersey]

Originally Posted by KVNBKLYN

Where are you getting your information? I think you should cite your sources.

For instance, the Portal Bridge project has not been funded (recent article) and, although long overdue, is unlikely to begin construction in the next two years as you state, particularly with Christie still in office. All of the NJ Transit rail extension projects (MOM, West Trenton, Lackawanna, etc) are only in the study phase. As far as I know, none of them have funding lined up or construction schedules set. The last online reference I could find for the Bergen-Passaic rail line was from 2009 and NJ Transit doesn't even have a project page for it. Where did you read it would be starting construction in the next two years?

And where are you getting your projections for ridership in 2030? Is that something official? Can you link to a source?

NJT staff and Newspaper articles , i have no idea whats going on with the Portal Bridge , last year they said it was funded this year it still needs funding. Theyve begun Prep work for some reason. The Bergen - Passaic line has its own page , i got my info from the County , they were displeased with NJT so it was sent back to the drawing boards. The MOM and West Trenton lines have there studies completed from what i know , there just figuring out funding and which routes to build. NIMBYs have also slowed the MOM project , but now that we have the ALP 45 DP's projects should start moving again. Me and a Friend took the Ridership numbers from the state , and county and some of our own numbers based on regional growth and commuter habits , along with TOD. There for the most part accurate , but the recent numbers came out , and our numbers are below what came out. But we NJT doesn't really update there numbers so were confused.... Now that i read the Portal Project is in limbo , most of the smaller projects listed are not in limbo and are included in the yearly budget. But 2035 is a long way away , and knowing NJT and PATH those projects will get build by then. For this decade you only see a smaller and mid sized projects , but i think in the 2020s you see the larger projects like the MOM , New Brunswick LRT , West Trenton system and Philpsburg connections. I'll start posting pictures of projects soon.... I got some of the Projects listed from the Video below , some from NJT staff , some from Organizations and counties. I'll try to get the sources all straightened out by next friday.

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[J. Will]

Originally Posted by KVNBKLYN

Where are you getting your information? I think you should cite your sources.

I've called him out on that, but he won't do it. He spews some vague nonsense about discussions with people who work there. Yet somehow they can share this information with him, but there is NOTHING about the vast majority of these projects online. That's why he can't provide links. For example, he said (I think on another forum) that PATH to Newark Airport would be finished by 2020 I think. They did a study in 2004 about extending PATH to Newark Airport, but obviously nothing came of it, and there have been no announcements since.

I think his lists are nothing but wish lists. There was a recent announcement about extending HBRL light rail to the west side of Route 440 (yet they STILL haven't reversed the 2010 service cuts). But that's one of the very projects confirmed to go ahead.[/QUOTE]

[Nexis4Jersey]

Originally Posted by J. Will

I've called him out on that, but he won't do it. He spews some vague nonsense about discussions with people who work there. Yet somehow they can share this information with him, but there is NOTHING about the vast majority of these projects online. That's why he can't provide links. For example, he said (I think on another forum) that PATH to Newark Airport would be finished by 2020 I think. They did a study in 2004 about extending PATH to Newark Airport, but obviously nothing came of it, and there have been no announcements since.

I think his lists are nothing but wish lists. There was a recent announcement about extending HBRL light rail to the west side of Route 440 (yet they STILL haven't reversed the 2010 service cuts). But that's one of the very projects confirmed to go ahead.

[/QUOTE]

Well the 2035 thing is a wish list in some aspects , but its projects that getting close to becoming reality. Hench why i didn't put all the projects in the Ridership project list. I'll start getting links alot of large scale projects get tied up in NIMBY and fall off the radar.... But none of my list is none sense.... How am i supposed to validate with a link something that an Employee told me , thats next to impossible or 8 months out. I stand by 2035 , i read a while ago and i'll try to find the link that the PA might try to push for the Airport extension by 2015. There are also links that have died..... Most of the non large scale projects are underway at least what you saw in the video. Like i said since NJT has gotten the ALP 45DP's alot of projects should move faster instead of stuck in limbo.... Knowing the HBLR all the expansions are very likely look at the history of expansions to the current system. As for the cuts last year , while they haven't restored some service , they added 2 trains to my line and few others last year.... I will admit after alot of employees pointed out that the 2020 thing was unrealistic i changed it to 2035 which they said more realistic.... The problem is also NJT , they don't post all the info or update it , so i have to go the back way. The only problem with all the large scale projects is funding.....i have a feeling later this decade that will change.

[Nexis4Jersey]

Project : Ridgewood High Level Platforms
Lines Served : Main , Bergen , Port Jervis lines



DSCN1683 by Nexis4Jersey09, on Flickr


DSCN1684 by Nexis4Jersey09, on Flickr


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Project : ALP-45DP's
Number of units on site : 1
Number of units Ordered : 26

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Project : Hoboken Ferry Slips
Opening date : Summer 2011? ( Source needed)


Hoboken, New Jersey Ferry Terminal Historical Tour by flickr4jazz, on Flickr


Hoboken, New Jersey Ferry Terminal Historical Tour by flickr4jazz, on Flickr


Hoboken, New Jersey Ferry Terminal Historical Tour by flickr4jazz, on Flickr


Hoboken, New Jersey Ferry Terminal Historical Tour by flickr4jazz, on Flickr


Hoboken, New Jersey Ferry Terminal Historical Tour by flickr4jazz, on Flickr


Hoboken, New Jersey Ferry Terminal Historical Tour by flickr4jazz, on Flickr


Hoboken, New Jersey Ferry Terminal Historical Tour by flickr4jazz, on Flickr


Hoboken, New Jersey Ferry Terminal Historical Tour by flickr4jazz, on Flickr

I will try to have all the links up by Friday , but some already appear to down even on stories from November. I also have to admit that on not up to date on most of these projects , so i'm going by 6 month old data. So i could be wrong.....but ive noticed those projects are still on the Capital projects list , so there not killed off just stalled....due to Funding and NIMBYS..... Ive also shifting from NJT to Metro North over the past few months....more interesting things are happening over there then here.

[Nexis4Jersey]

First batch of links....

PATCO car refurbishment

http://www.nj.com/gloucester/index.s...051.xml&coll=8

PATH system signal upgrades

http://www.metro-magazine.com/News/S...rail-deal.aspx

More Double Decker cars

http://www.njtransit.com/tm/tm_servl...n=Project052To

Bus Rolling Stock upgrades

http://www.njtransit.com/tm/tm_servl...n=Project093To

Commuter Railcar Rehabilitation

http://www.njtransit.com/tm/tm_servl...n=Project090To

New Plauderville station

http://www.njtransit.com/tm/tm_servl...n=Project100To

Bus Shelter Installation

http://www.njtransit.com/tm/tm_servl...n=Project094To

Some updates will come in picture format aswell , so not all the sources will be linked.... I think Pictures are enough proof a project underway.

[J. Will]

How am i supposed to validate with a link something that an Employee told me , thats next to impossible or 8 months out.

Because if an employee was at liberty to tell it to you, and it was legit, there would be something about it online. If it was confidential, they wouldn't have told it to you in the first place. This is 2011. There is no reason any of this wouldn't be online. If an employee just told it to you without any official announcements, than it is just speculation and/or wishes.

I go back to my PATH to Newark Airport example. A google search reveals multiple articles from 2004. There's been absolutely no announcement since then, yet you say that it WILL be finished by 2020. They can't do these things in secret. They need to do studies, make public statements, have public political bickering, and in your country they sometimes even put these things to a public vote. There is no confirmation of PATH to the aiport by 2020, and the same goes for dozens of other items on your wishlists. It doesn't matter what "an employee told you".

[KVNBKLYN]

I fully agree. Publishing hearsay and rumors, even in a forum such as this, just serves to spread misinformation.

Just stick to the projects that have online documentation, such as recent news articles or recently updated official websites, and cite the source. NJ Transit has a bunch of legitimate projects that are well documented online, so it shouldn't be a problem.

Originally Posted by J. Will

Because if an employee was at liberty to tell it to you, and it was legit, there would be something about it online. If it was confidential, they wouldn't have told it to you in the first place. This is 2011. There is no reason any of this wouldn't be online. If an employee just told it to you without any official announcements, than it is just speculation and/or wishes.

I go back to my PATH to Newark Airport example. A google search reveals multiple articles from 2004. There's been absolutely no announcement since then, yet you say that it WILL be finished by 2020. They can't do these things in secret. They need to do studies, make public statements, have public political bickering, and in your country they sometimes even put these things to a public vote. There is no confirmation of PATH to the aiport by 2020, and the same goes for dozens of other items on your wishlists. It doesn't matter what "an employee told you".

[J. Will]

As far as "two extra trains" on the HBLR goes, the line was recently extended 1 mile (2 miles round-trip). With a longer line, you need more trains and/or less dwell time at the end of the line just to maintain the same service frequency. Now they're trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes by extending one of the other lines a little under a mile west, hoping everyone forgets the fact that there were terrible service cuts in 2010 that haven't been reversed. The should worry about getting back to decent service levels BEFORE worrying about a small expansion to one of the lines IMO.

[Nexis4Jersey]

Would Railroad.net or Another Transit site count , because thats were i'm getting most of this info. NJT gives the suburbs more service before the Urban areas if you haven't figured that out....always has and always will. I'll just leave the list as be , and we can check off the projects as there announced and built , hopefully SSp will be here in 2040.

[J. Will]

So we're to believe that you have "inside sources" that can tell you about these projects years before there is an official announcement? And they're able to reveal this confidential information to you (and you to us) without fear of being fired, or other repercussions?

Sure.

An official source should be required here, just as it is required to credit the source of pictures you post not taken by yourself.

[Nexis4Jersey]

Originally Posted by J. Will

So we're to believe that you have "inside sources" that can tell you about these projects years before there is an official announcement? And they're able to reveal this confidential information to you (and you to us) without fear of being fired, or other repercussions?

Sure.

An official source should be required here, just as it is required to credit the source of pictures you post not taken by yourself.

I said i would post the links a few times....sheesh. I guess your not a transit fanner or work for a transit company. And yes some of the employees can be fired for telling us this and other info....or suspended. 2035/2040 are the final dates , i was getting ahead of myself with 2020..... There are alot of things looking up in this state , the fact that HBLR has expanded numerous times , a few smaller transit upgrade / expansion projects like the Lackawanna line and Pennsuaken connection are underway. The Hoboken Terminal project is moving ahead full steam and should be completed later this year..... Christie hasn't opposed anything else after the ARC mess , the problem with funding can be fixed if they raised the Gas Tax and let PPP's invest in Transit / Roads i have a feeling that will happen later this decade.... People are getting fed up with the roads and delays on transit....



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At OP's request I'm going to close all these threads. If anyone would like to discuss NY/NJ regional rail they can open a new thread (just one will suffice - we don't need a separate one for each agency). - moderation