noirish Los Angeles

[ProphetM]

Originally Posted by CaliNative

Some genius at Ford should make a complete replica of that car (but modern on the inside). Would sell like hotcakes. Not talking PT cruiser--but a real replica. Bonnie & Clyde's fave car--the V8 flathead. Tired of these wimpy modern cars. 1920s & early '30s (pre-streamline)...When cars were cars etc. Who wouldn't want a car like that?

Wimpy modern cars? The Ford V8 that premiered in 1932 had 65 horsepower. It took until 1952 for them to get it up over 100. Even my Toyota Echo has more than that, and it weighs less. I like the 30s look but modern cars are worlds better in every measurable respect.

Personally I've got a reservation for a Tesla Model 3.

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Thanks for the [Pershing Square] time-line Martin Pal.
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Thanks, E_R. KevinW's post, almost 6 years ago now, "Pershing Square over the years", has a nice history of the park, but unfortunately all of his accompanying photos are now absent. (Twenty of them!)

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2966

[HossC]

It looks like all but the first Pershing Square image came from the USCDL. Unfortunately, they were hotlinked using their old URL format. I could see if I could track down the relevant images and repost them with the original text if you think it would be worthwhile. You'll have to wait until the weekend .

[Martin Pal]

Well, personally, I would myself, HossC, thanks, but it's up to you!

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I was under the impression that Getty Images was pretty accurate with their photos and captions, especially because they guard their copyrights so much, but this photo of theirs below is captioned:

NBC Studio on opening day in 1938 at Sunset and Vine in Hollywood, CA.

Getty Images

This cannot be true for obvious reasons like the cars and the fact it says "KRCA Television."


In any case, I don't recall seeing this photo of Wallich's and NBC at Sunset and Vine before. Dated 1960.


Vintage Los Angeles

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by ProphetM

Wimpy modern cars? The Ford V8 that premiered in 1932 had 65 horsepower. It took until 1952 for them to get it up over 100. Even my Toyota Echo has more than that, and it weighs less. I like the 30s look but modern cars are worlds better in every measurable respect.

Personally I've got a reservation for a Tesla Model 3.

Agree completely, PM--and those figures are gross horsepower, not net, as today's horsepower is quoted in. I have a few old cars that have the same basic flathead V8 as the '32 Ford, including a '51 Mercury (255 cid, 112 gross hp), and a '53 Merc wagon (255 cid, 125 gross hp--largest cid, highest rating and last year for the Ford flathead in the US)...125 gross hp might be 90 net...nice exhaust burble but, needless to say, no Tesla in the oomph department.

[GaylordWilshire]

Speaking of the nec corner of Sunset & Vine...

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

'mystery' location

I just found this photograph at the 'jalopy_journal' blog.

"Los Angeles, 1936"


http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/

If you look closely there's a carhop holding a tray, wearing what looks like a 'gaucho' themed uniform.

I tried to find Hinton's Brake in the city directories without success. (I didn't realize how popular Hinton was for a first name)


but I did find this in the 1938 directory.


lapl

Was there a Drive-In near 3636 Beverly Blvd. back in the day?

I know there has been some discussion after this post of ER's re the location of the drive-in in the image... looks like it's definitely the Carpenter's at the northeast corner of Sunset & Vine. I found Hinton's Brake Service advertised at 6273 Sunset in a classified ad in the LAT of 6-8-1933. A BP for its building was issued on 3-14-1932 (owner listed as "Paramont Land Corp/H.N. Hinton"). Apparently Hinton sold the Rulo gas-saving device--the Rulo manufacturing/marketing company itself, as discussed, was headquartered in the American Storage building on Beverly Blvd....

[ethereal_reality]

Thanks for the additional information GW.



http://apanelofanalysts.tumblr.com/search/los+angeles

"Starlets Poni Adams, Julie London, Jean Trent, Barbara Bates, Daun Kennedy, and Kathleen O’Malley pose
in protest of a new Los Angeles city ordnance banning shorts in public.

Was there really an anti-shorts ordnance?
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[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Was there really an anti-shorts ordnance?
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Lots of them apparently

[ethereal_reality]

I had no idea t2. Seems so silly now.



"Case of the Missing Playhouse"



old file

"Mrs. Leonard Horwin, wife of former Beverly Hills mayor, stands outside the children's playhouse at Greystone Estate.
Note the roofing design and a birdhouse at the top right, on the roof. Photo dated: May 14, 1965."-caption from the L.A. Times.

We have visited Greystone Manor several times on NLA (it's the site of a murder-suicide!), but I don't recall seeing this storybook playhouse.

here's some info on the original grounds.


-Does anyone know where on the grounds the playhouse was located?
...and whether or not it was eventually moved to a different location--
I hope it wasn't destroyed.





Here are the ground in 1933.


https://books.google.com/books?id=gw...ed%20of&f=true

Anyone see the playhouse?






Here are a couple construction photographs I believe I posted in the early days of the thread. I thought they'd be interesting to see again.


old file



old file


Greystone today.


http://www.beverlyhills.org/explorin...itinghoursmap/

hmmm....maybe the playhouse is still there & I just don't know it.
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A Quick Rehash of the Murder.


Doheny murder-suicide post (with numerous missing photographs )
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8454

Murder scene

http://www.crimemagazine.com/vintage...gedy-greystone

That's 'Ned' on the floor and his chauffeur (some say his lover) on the floor in the other room.

They were both caught up in the Teapot Dome Scandal.

"Father Doheny then dispatched his son, Edward 'Ned' Doheny, Jr. and Doheny Jr.'s employee and close friend, Hugh Theodore Plunkett, to deliver the bribe.
The two men went to the brokerage house of Blair and Company withdrew one hundred thousand dollars in cash from Ned's account wrapped the money in paper
and put it in a little black bag and took it to Interior Secretary Albert Fall in his apartment at the Wardman Park Hotel in Washington."

http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=5636

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[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

In a return to Pershing Square's history as "a forum for public speakers".

It appears Long Beach had it's own version.


ebay

"Spit & Argue Club", Long Beach





"The story goes that in the 1880s, a woman spotted some tobacco-chewing debaters on the veranda of the Long Beach Hotel and complained to a friend:
"All they do is spit and argue."

And so the Spit 'n' Argue Club became the name of the informal group of mostly retired characters who met daily in Long Beach to chew and whittle while
tackling such issues as God, world peace and the proper methods of plowing a wheat field.

The colorful conclave eventually became a tourist attraction, drawing upward of 1,500 spectators a day and surviving more than three-quarters of a century.

It outlived the hotel (which burned to the ground in 1888) and three piers (Rainbow pier, plus two earlier piers), where the group later gathered."

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb...hen7-2010feb07

This same article says.....

"In downtown Los Angeles, meanwhile, a second outdoor debating society sprouted in a well-known park. Locals called it the 'Pershing Square Country Club'. It was less structured than the Long Beach version and had no designated speaking area. Two dozen face-to-face rhetorical clashes might be raging at any one time in Pershing Square.
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[ethereal_reality]

One more post before I call it a night.


"Actress Genevieve Tobin runs down WPA crossing guard" 11/5/38


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details





"I thought it was dog."


wiki
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Good night.

[Lorendoc]

I was looking through the Daily News archive at UCLA, and found the following. It is captioned "Veterans waiting in line at Bank of America to cash bonds during G.I. bond "gold rush" in Los Angeles, Calif., 1947" and was taken on September 3. Which BofA it was is not mentioned.


UCLA Special Collections

I was almost going to ask HossC if it looked like any of the Julius Shulman bank photos he has been posting.

But I saw one clue, which was apparently the street number for the branch: "100." The 1942 CD and 1956 SD did not have any BofA branches with that street number. Given there were African-American customers, I looked at phone directories for inner-ring suburban cities and in the 1948 directory found a BofA branch in Inglewood at 100 N. Market.

Edit: GW and HossC point out below that a better match is the 901 S Main branch which would seem to also have a 100 W 9th street address.


This bank run made the front page of the LA Times:


LAT 9-3-47

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

-Does anyone know where on the grounds the playhouse was located?
...and whether or not it was eventually moved to a different location--
I hope it wasn't destroyed.


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I used to take the kids to Greystone often when they were small, but I don't remember a playhouse (?)

http://www.beverlyhills.org/cbhfiles...02Sept2014.pdf

I thought this might be something:

"Some of the highlights included Eric Brand, a furniture designer, in collaboration with Airen Holbrook turned the children’s playhouse bedroom into a bright, sunny, and lively room inspired by Muppets creator Jim Henson."
- lalascoop


But I guess it was a room in the main house (?)

[Beaudry]

So the other day we were talking about Chicago Calling, and I went and revisited my DVD, in an attempt to figure out 242 South Hope (I was a little perplexed that this

turned into this [242 had had a major remodel, enclosing its porch and moving its stairs to the north, I assume to permit easier access from the parking lot, in mid-'54, according to records, before its demolition come 1956])—


—in any event I've moved on to other things, because while watching CC I had one of those a-ha moments wherein I discovered another location that isn't in Jim Dawson's book. (Haven't been this excited since I saw the Ems featured in The Narcotic Story!)

So Dan Duryea needs to make a long-distance call, and the phone in his pad at the Sunshine Apts is turned off, so he's gone down to a nearby cleaners to use their pay phone. And as it was establishing the scene, panning across the interior, I said hey, I know that building across the street:



...that's the Wright and Callender at Fourth and Hill:
usc

Which places the phone in the Reliable Cleaners across the street in the Antlers Hotel—


usc



Couple images looking up Clay from Fourth—

getty

This one I have as an unnamed file, have to figure it where it came from—obviously from the Summer of '62, since clothes have to be picked up before August 31st; the demo permit for 421/23 W 4th is granted in early October.


The genesis of the Chicago Calling talk is via an original discussion of Angel's Flight (with My Gun is Quick and The Exiles thrown in for good measure) within it was asked, what's the deal with the wall sign? The one there in the early '60s that read in whole or in part "elevator" where the retaining wall beneath the Astoria met Clay St?



I still don't know any more about the elevator, but Chicago Calling does seem to have a wall sign in the same location. Which may have a phone number and "apartments for rent" but I can't really make it out. (On the left side, there's the wall under the Sunshine Apts with the no-parking message.)

[CityBoyDoug]

The famous Sunset Blvd. Hollywood nightspot The Earl Carroll Theater....1938-1953..
The stage revolved and the seating was tight. It was a mélange of glamour and neon modern with a dash of adult naughtiness.


noir file

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by Lorendoc

I was looking through the Daily News archive at UCLA, and found the following. It is captioned "Veterans waiting in line at Bank of America to cash bonds during G.I. bond "gold rush" in Los Angeles, Calif., 1947" and was taken on September 3. Which BofA it was is not mentioned.


UCLA Special Collections

But I saw one clue, which was apparently the street number for the branch: "100." The 1942 CD and 1956 SD did not have any BofA branches with that street number. Given there were African-American customers, I looked at phone directories for inner-ring suburban cities and in the 1948 directory found a BofA branch in Inglewood at 100 N. Market. Here is the view today:


GSV

The apparent lack of the outside arched opening and proximity of the building across the street made me think this isn't the Inglewood BoA.... looks like it's 100 W Ninth Street, at the side of the 901 S Main branch.... Note the fire escape on the building across the street in Lorendoc's image--it's still there.







NOTE-- Hoss etc... let me know if these images appear in your browser of choice. Today my usual method of uploading (pressing the "upload" button) send me to a window I've never seen before...the links are miles long; they end in "no" rather than "rw-no"...I haven't removed the "no"....

[Tourmaline]

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

The apparent lack of the outside arched opening and proximity of the building across the street made me think this isn't the Inglewood BoA.... looks like it's 100 W Ninth Street, at the side of the 901 S Main branch.... Note the fire escape on the building across the street in Lorendoc's image--it's still there.

. . . . .

NOTE-- Hoss etc... let me know if these images appear in your browser of choice. Today my usual method of uploading (pressing the "upload" button) send me to a window I've never seen before...the links are miles long; they end in "no" rather than "rw-no"...I haven't removed the "no"....

Astute detective work.

Despite lengthy links, images appear fine via Firefox.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

NOTE-- Hoss etc... let me know if these images appear in your browser of choice. Today my usual method of uploading (pressing the "upload" button) send me to a window I've never seen before...the links are miles long; they end in "no" rather than "rw-no"...I haven't removed the "no"....

The images are showing fine for me in Firefox - thanks.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by Lorendoc

I was looking through the Daily News archive at UCLA, and found the following. It is captioned "Veterans waiting in line at Bank of America to cash bonds during G.I. bond "gold rush" in Los Angeles, Calif., 1947" and was taken on September 3. Which BofA it was is not mentioned.


UCLA Special Collections

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

The apparent lack of the outside arched opening and proximity of the building across the street made me think this isn't the Inglewood BoA.... looks like it's 100 W Ninth Street, at the side of the 901 S Main branch....

GSV lets us look inside the building's 2014 incarnation as the Pattern Bar. This is as close as I can get to the original angle. I think the architectural details I've arrowed are a match to the original picture.


GSV

[GaylordWilshire]

Great, Hoss-- the floor still looks good too. You don't suppose what looks like a portrait of A. P. Giannini at left in the vintage shot is still there, do you?