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HossC · #**27001** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 1:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I read through the information (I admit, rather quickly), but I didn't see a description of the building with the belfry-like 'turret'. Did I just miss it?

Using the recentered versions of the USC image and Baist map from the Amelia Street School post, it looks like the building with the turret was the Industrial School on Hewitt Street. The Amelia Street School is on the top-left of the image below, with the Industrial School on the top-right. In the foreground is the Pioneer Truck Co where the Ducommun Street Yard would be a few years later.

Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

And here's the 1921 Baist map. The Industrial School is just above the "V" in "ALANIS VINEYARD TR". So far I can't find the Industrial School in the CDs, but I'll keep looking.

www.historicmapworks.com

ethereal_reality · #**27002** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 1:15 AM**

Excellent Hoss! You're obviously much better at this than I am.

At least I was close...the Industrial School is but a stone's throw from the Amelia School.
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ethereal_reality · #**27003** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 2:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham

Name on the smoke stack was White King, a large selling soap in L.A..

Thanks Hollywood Graham.
My memory is kaput. I should have remembered 'White King'.

Here's the smoke stack in living color! (so when did this come down?)

http://www.laobserved.com/assets_c/2...ajack-7034.php

And in this detail, I'm pretty sure we can located all three....if you squint.

#1 Amelia Street School.
#2 Industrial School on Hewitt.
#3 the 'White King' smokestack.

detail / http://www.lapl.org/

See an 80 year old box of 'White King' flakes here: -It doesn't get more exciting than this folks.

lol.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24538

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Hollywood Graham · #**27004** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 2:30 AM**

For years I parked my car or pick up on Ducommun St. when I worked at Parker Center. Doors were open and you could see manufacturing going on but I never got any soap dust on the vehicles.

BDiH · #**27005** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 3:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by Tourmaline

Regarding the Bohemian Cafe CRestview-9414

Edit: in a later post the article mentioning Roscoe Arbuckle is from 1932, as Arbuckle was mounting a short lived comeback. He died in '33.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...uckle-1921.jpg

Arbuckle wrote and directed a silent in 1925 (under the pseudonym William Goodrich) called The Movies. It's interesting because it has a brief scene filmed at the Cafe Montmartre on Hollywood Boulevard.

C. King · #**27006** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 3:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

You don't find many vintage images of Los Angeles with an advertisement for Falstaff Beer.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Falstaff-Bee...-/111612587104

...but here's one.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/30993133@N04/

"J-line southbound on Seville Avenue somewhere in Walnut Park (looking north)"

This is interesting....I've never heard of 'Walnut Park' before.
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Walnut Park is an unincorporated area just south of Huntington Park.

lemster2024 · #**27007** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 3:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

You don't find many vintage images of Los Angeles with an advertisement for Falstaff Beer.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Falstaff-Bee...-/111612587104

...but here's one.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/30993133@N04/

"J-line southbound on Seville Avenue somewhere in Walnut Park (looking north)"

This is interesting....I've never heard of 'Walnut Park' before.
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Walnut Park describes an area near Maywood, Bell, Cudahay, Huntington Park...It's roughly bordered by the 110 on the west, the 710 on the east, Slauson on the north, and the 105 on the south. I took the Googlemobile north on Seville, but couldn't find matching-shaped buildings along the left side. Parts of Seville narrow to only two lanes, and other parts are entirely residential...wish I could make out a name of one of the businesss to get a lead where the pic was taken.

Martin Pal · #**27008** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 4:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I walked past this building practically every day when I lived in West Hollywood.

I walked past it last night!

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

GSV

I would have paid it more attention had I known it's colorful past. (see below)

http://lantern.mediahist.org/?f%5Bco...nge_start=1911

Eugene Stark's Bohemian Café
8533 Santa Monica Blvd.

I had looked for a photo of this place at one time with no luck...kudos for finding this E_R!

I just recently discovered that these are the current plans for this location.
A five story building from this corner to the Ramada property line.

It will get rid of the New Orleans Square building, which I have never liked, but there are just two many several-storied
buildings being built in West Hollywood right now and they all seem to look exactly the same to me. (I can think of
eight construction projects like this one right now and I've probably forgotten a few.)

tovangar2 · #**27009** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 4:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by lemster2024

Walnut Park describes an area near Maywood, Bell, Cudahay, Huntington Park...It's roughly bordered by the 110 on the west, the 710 on the east, Slauson on the north, and the 105 on the south. I took the Googlemobile north on Seville, but couldn't find matching-shaped buildings along the left side.

I couldn't find it either, but was slightly amazed to discover the names of some of Seville's east/west cross-streets. They are, from the north, Flower, Hope, Grand, Olive, Hill and Broadway

CityBoyDoug · #**27010** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 4:59 AM**

Inside a juke joint on South Central St. . Los Angeles. People having a good time in 1938. Here is some music from the era...link:

https://youtu.be/CrHrbSxUFDI

BOOGIE WOOGIE PRAYER, Part 1 & 2, by Meade Lux Lewis, Pete Johnson, Albert Ammons. All three men were the great ones in that music genre.

LIFE

ethereal_reality · #**27011** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 1:49 PM**

a rare look at.............

the back side of the building on Vine Street that housed the Brown Derby, Western Airline ticket office and a curio shop or two.

tourist snapshot / eBay

I believe the photographer was on Selma Avenue just west of Argyle.

for comparison purposes.

https://hollywoodphotographs.com/det...c=111&i=1&r=96

...and before the signs, in 1928.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/33455118@N08/4526477160/

"The building was originally designed and constructed as a studio office for Cecil B. DeMille." -gsjansen

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tovangar2 · #**27012** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 3:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

...and before the signs, in 1928.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/33455118@N08/4526477160/

"The building was originally designed and constructed as a studio office for Cecil B. DeMille." -gsjansen

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gsv

Although I like many of LA's fragmentary architectural "saves", I just find this one painful.

Thanks e_r. Nice pix.

Tourmaline · #**27013** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 4:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by tovangar2

gsv

Although I like many of LA's fragmentary architectural "saves", I just find this one painful.

Thanks e_r. Nice pix.

A save? Or something more akin to a wallet size photo or a desktop momento?

Does ambiance have value? Depends on who you ask. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24904

I would prefer to experience something closer to the "real" thing but Disney seems to have recognized something that many municipalities all too often miss.

http://micechat.com/wp-content/uploa...5-10-38-PM.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-w5ZMos-qbb...+outside+2.jpg

tovangar2 · #**27014** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 4:34 PM**

The Derby pastiche is just a mess. And how did they get the truncated south end of the Derby within a few feet of the Taft Building? Is any of it "original"?

On the other hand, I find Disney's Hollywood truly frightening. The architectural equivelent of the Stepford Wives.

ethereal_reality · #**27015** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 4:46 PM**

I don't believe we've seen 'THE UPP' Apartments on NLA.

detail

After several searches, I found it listed in the 1909 City Directory.

Here is the complete photograph from an 8x10 glass plate. It's pretty amazing!

http://hdl.huntington.org/

Huntington Archives description.

"Los Angeles #1 Substation-View from a hill of both the old and new station buildings. 7/1/1912

http://hdl.huntington.org/

below: close-up showing the stairs. (notice the two men looking at two women on the opposite side of the steps)

detail

The 'old' station.

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The 'new' station. (with a couple workers)

detail

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tovangar2 · #**27016** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 5:17 PM**

The photo is amazing. I don't think I've ever seen those steps before. That's 2nd St running across the lower margin, right? Intersecting with a street that's not there anymore? And 1st Street runs along the bottom of the steps?

PS:

There's the substation. The DWP took over the whole street (Boylston?):

gsv

Martin Pal · #**27017** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 6:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

"The building was originally designed and constructed as a studio office for Cecil B. DeMille."
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Peggy Cobb Walsh, daughter of the owner of the Brown Derby, says this:

"The Hollywood Derby," says Walsh, "had been built as a theater by director-producer Cecil B. DeMille. Then sound came in and it never opened as a theater," she says. "My dad rented it from the DeMille family and made it into the restaurant."

http://articles.latimes.com/2002/may...ment/et-king11

tovangar2 · #**27018** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 7:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal

Peggy Cobb Walsh, daughter of the owner of the Brown Derby, says this:

"The Hollywood Derby," says Walsh, "had been built as a theater by director-producer Cecil B. DeMille. Then sound came in and it never opened as a theater," she says. "My dad rented it from the DeMille family and made it into the restaurant."

http://articles.latimes.com/2002/may...ment/et-king11

Thx, that makes sense. The big, blocky, windowless bit behind the facade of the north end of the Derby certainly looks like it could have been built as a theater auditorium:

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

https://www.flickr.com/photos/33455118@N08/4526477160/

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HossC · #**27019** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 7:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I don't believe we've seen 'THE UPP' Apartments on NLA.

http://hdl.huntington.org/

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Originally Posted by tovangar2

The photo is amazing. I don't think I've ever seen those steps before. That's 2nd St running across the lower margin, right? Intersecting with a street that's not there anymore? And 1st Street runs along the bottom of the steps?

There's the substation. The DWP took over the whole street (Boylston?).

The Upp Apartments appear on the Baist maps. The 'old' substation is labeled "Edison Electric Light Plant" on the 1910 map. The street through the middle was part of Boylston, which continued beyond the stairs.

www.historicmapworks.com

By 1914, the 'old' substation had gone and the 'new' one was just labeled "Electric Light Plant". Note that on both of these maps, the part of Second Street west of Boylston was called Lake Shore Avenue. It gets renamed to Second Street by the 1921 map.

www.historicmapworks.comwww.historicmapworks.com

Here's another view looking towards the Upp Apartments which USC dates at 1937. The new substation appears to be covered in ivy. USC also have a similar image from 1937 looking at a slightly different angle.

USC Digital Library

The higher part of Boylston is still visible on the 1994 view at Historic Aerials, and I think the stairs may even still be there, but nearly all the buildings have gone. By 2003, all traces of the Bixel and Boylston Streets between W 1st and Colton Street have been removed, and there's a large building along 1st Street where the stairs used to be. I don't know what it was, but it's not the building that's there now.

ethereal_reality · #**27020** Posted **Mar 17, 2015, 8:46 PM**

Thanks for posting the Baist maps HossC. They really help.