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Old Posted Dec 5, 2006, 3:26 AM
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Portland Oregon Aerial Tram

I'm not sure how many of you are aware of the portland tram so let me tell you about it. It is tram that connects the OHSU (oregon health and science university upper campus to the growing lower campus at the south waterfront. It is a catlyst to the growing south waterfront neighborhood that has grown from unused industrial land to a highrise residential area with towers as high as 325 feet. Despite a rising price tag that has gone up from around 30 million to 57 mil it looks like portland is getting a well-deserved icon in the mold of the space needle of seattle, or the golden-gate bridge in san franscico.
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upper station

central tower

lower station:

future expansion includes a pedestrian bridge over I-5

progress photos (i tried to give everyone credit for their photos if you want credit pm me all the pictures were taken by me unless otherwise noted)
first part of intermediate tower installed

second part




how it looks now

lower station
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pdxstreetcar's

the streetcar is going right between the OHSU building and the lower station crow's

upper station
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video(pdxman's): http://s128.photobucket.com/albums/p...t=MOV00654.flv

you know its cool if it has a myspace: www.myspace.com/pdxtram
sowa proximity to downtown:

for more on the tram go to the thread in the northwest forum: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=82240
for more on the south waterfront go to: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=90344
or: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=81718
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2006, 3:41 AM
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Looks cool, how many people will use it?
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2006, 4:04 AM
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it'll be mostly OHSU employees riding the tram but people can commute from the hill to the south waterfront and then take the streetcar downtown.
here's a excerpt from the oregonian it doesn't answer your question but is still interesting:
With the bus and car trips it ends up the hill, the tram will save 93,000 gallons of petrol and prevent 1,000 pounds of greenhouse gas emissions each year, he said.
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Man I though the cars were going to be like the ones in the rendering. like bubbles or something...
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I say it before, and I'll say it again:

Portland rocks.
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I say it before, and I'll say it again:

Portland rocks.

...and I'll join you...Portland rocks! (one of my favorite US cities)
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Man I though the cars were going to be like the ones in the rendering. like bubbles or something...
actually, I too was disappointed when the looked like giant AirStream Trailers. However, they catch the color of the sky. On the few clear days we've had recently, the tram cars reflected the sky and looked like blue bubbles floating. On gray days, they kinda blend into the clouds.

Nice overview Dougall
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2006, 6:29 PM
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Looks cool, guys. I hope to be moving up there in less than a year (my fiancee may be going to optometry school in the area), and I've kind of been reading up on the developments on this tram, the LRT and streetcar and the SoWa area in your forum. I'm very impressed with Portland's forward-thinking attitude in terms of transit. Not much of that here in PHX! Thanks for the pics.
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I spell TRAM "D-I-S-A-S-T-E-R." Tri-Met pretty much lied to the City of Portland about the cost until Portland was committed, and then came back and admitted they lied and it would cost almost twice as much.

The top tram anchor was going to be much cheaper, but then somebody forgot the small oversight - that OHSU was building a new building right where the top anchor was going to go, so they had to scrap the original plan (after funding was allotted) and start over.

It serves almost nobody. It's pretty much OHSU's private multi-100 million dollar tram system to an expanded parking lot. Personally, as cool looking as it is, the money would've been much better spent on commuter rail or maybe widening OR-217 so more people can bypass downtown Portland with their cars.

The part that scares me is the PDX employee I talked to said they estimate that if the tram broke down it would take about 8-12 hours to get rescue crews up there.

But, despite my bah-humbug attitude, I admit it's one of the coolest looking projects I've seen (cost aside).
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I spell TRAM "D-I-S-A-S-T-E-R... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...

Well, only so many of us can be accountants, and we generally feel sorry for them, so...
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2006, 5:45 PM
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um, TriMet hasn't had anything to do with this project. The final cost didn't top $60 million and the city of Portland is only responsible for less than $10 million of the TOTAL cost. The biggest user of the project, OHSU is also funding almost $35 million of the cost. So, for $10 million the city of Portland was able to provide an 100 acre sanctuary on an abandoned industrial brownfield to allow Portland's largest employer to grow in our city, instead of building new research space in the suburb where it owned over 150 acres (those 150 acres are now being studied for a central park and 20 to 30 story condo towers since OHSU is now committed to the city of Portland, a win-win I'd say since that means our burbs understand the need to go up even with such a massive land gift). We also get an incredible new condo and office district with a slew of 21st century towers, new parks, a streetcar extension, and as you stated, a pretty damned cool piece of infrastructure in the tram.

The part that 'scares' you, that people could get stuck is a possibility that the city has planned for. The tram has one main power source with two, not one, TWO backup systems in case of power failure in the main system and than failure in the first back up system. There is a much larger chance you are going to get stuck on a ski lift, exposed to the elements, than a comfortable, brand new, latest technology, tram.

The tram debuted during a November wind and rainstorm where frequent winds topped 50MPH and the tram performed better than expected. It also was completed two weeks early.
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that span is so long. does anyone know if a third suspension tower was ever proposed or was it just not needed?
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^^^ None of the proposals included a 2nd tower. I believe the span is around 3300 feet? The tram traverses I-5, Highway 99 (a 4 lane highway), and 4 blocks of neighborhood residential before climbing up the steep hill to the University.
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in the very early...early days of the tram, there was discussion of building a Barbur Blvd. extension and a second tower would have been needed, but that got axed. Do to the relative ease of building this thing after they got a realistic cost, and began construction, I would be suprised if we didn't see more tram lines in the future.
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cool pictures i found on flickr
pic of tower lit up at night (not mine)

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I wouldn't want to be on that during an earthquake, but the concept is pretty neat.
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The part that scares me is the PDX employee I talked to said they estimate that if the tram broke down it would take about 8-12 hours to get rescue crews up there.

That's funny because they just did a rescue drill and 5 people got out in under an hour including set up time. They estimate it will take 5 minutes per person. So with a max of 79 passengers you're still under 5 hours, not 12. For 8 million the city got a very impressive tram-a deal if you ask me.

Thanks for all the great pics. I love the one of the tram coming out of the clouds!

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cool

will have to go for a ride next time i am in portland
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Oooh, that's spectacular!
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