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Old Posted Apr 30, 2007, 6:39 PM
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Meanwhile, as the debate over what will replace it goes on, the Deutsche Bank building slowly comes down...
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Looks like what's happening is as a section of the facade is removed, that section of floors and beams are also removed right behind it.

I've always said that if they're going to keep it, then keep it and if they're going to remove it, then remove it. It's high time that they've gotten off that high horse of theirs and have stopped Mickey-Mousing this thing along!

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From the looks of those photos, I wouldn't want to be one of the deconstruct workers... you're risking your life working in such a toxic mess

They all should get HAZARD pay and lifetime medical coverage for ailments that will manifest years later after breathing in all the toxic combinations of asbestos, dioxins, mold, etc. Oye.....
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From the looks of those photos, I wouldn't want to be one of the deconstruct workers... you're risking your life working in such a toxic mess

They all should get HAZARD pay and lifetime medical coverage for ailments that will manifest years later after breathing in all the toxic combinations of asbestos, dioxins, mold, etc. Oye.....


And I don't see anyone in those pics wearing hazmat suits either.
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Steel Pipe Falls From Deutsche Bank Building, Crashes Through Firehouse

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Demolition work at the former Deutsche Bank building was put on hold Thursday morning after a steel pipe fell from the 40-story onto a neighboring firehouse.

The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation says the 15-foot piece of steel fell from the 35th floor of the building, which is in the process of being taken down.

It pierced the roof of the Engine 10 Ladder 10 building, sending debris into the eyes of two firemen.

Authorities say the demolition work caused the steel pipe to come loose.

The building was badly damaged during the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and there were major concerns about tearing it down because of contamination.

The cleanup of the building began in 2005 and workers began dismantling the building late last year.

The injured firefighters have been treated and released.
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Old Posted May 23, 2007, 11:44 AM
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As if these fireman haven't been through enough. Now a reminder of 9/11 comes crashing down into there firehouse.
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And the deconstruction process was halted pending a full investigation into this accident! Get rid of this cancer-causing monster already!
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I like the way they are methodically dismantling that building, just by taking it apart, as opposed to demolishing it with a wrecking ball or implosion.
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2007, 11:38 AM
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Unbuilding a Skyscraper Wounded on Sept. 11



David Emil, the president of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, on the 26th floor of 130 Liberty Street.



The Deutsche Bank building at 130 Liberty Street, its windows replaced with plywood, is being dismantled.


By JAMES BARRON
August 17, 2007

It is, Avi Schick said, like watching a video of a building being built, but in reverse.

Mr. Schick, the chairman of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, was walking through 130 Liberty Street, the building opposite ground zero that was gashed by pieces of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. The building, the New York base of Deutsche Bank at the time, is now being dismantled.

That is different from being demolished. The building is being taken apart almost piece by piece, something demolition experts say has been done before.

What is a first is the complete removal of a building so large and so badly contaminated by hazardous substances. And it is happening under the wary eyes of regulators, neighbors and even the Wall Street types who will someday fill the building that is scheduled to take this one’s place.

So, day after day this summer, workers with acetylene torches are going floor by floor, slicing through the steel beams, the horizontal parts of the building’s skeleton. With help from small tractorlike machines, they are pulling down the beams and the steel columns they are attached to.

Then they are cutting the beams and columns into smaller pieces and loading them into trash-hauling bins that a crane lowers to the street.

Working their way down from the top of what was once a 41-story building, the workers reached the 26th floor on Tuesday morning.


They were cutting into the beams at the southwest corner of that floor, and the two-and-a-half-inch-thick concrete floor slab was vibrating. That was because a mechanical excavator — another tractorlike machine, with a jackhammer mounted on a movable front arm — was breaking through the slab on the southeast corner.

The broken pieces went into another trash-hauling bin and the crane took them away, too. The workers can dismantle one floor every four days or so.

A separate team is working its way through the building, removing the interiors and scrubbing away any contaminants that may remain.

Consultants to the development corporation said more than two years ago that besides asbestos, the building had excessive levels of seven hazardous substances, including dioxin, lead and chromium.

Now those floors have been reduced to their structural elements: naked columns and beams. The walls that once defined offices are gone. So are the plate-glass windows that once looked out on the trade center across the street. So are the wires that connected computers and phones and brought in electricity.

And there was the continuing search for human remains. The chief medical examiner’s office said in February that 766 body parts had been found in the building. Most were fragments of bone less than four inches long.

The long-delayed project got under way in earnest in February. A large construction company, Bovis Lend Lease, won a contract worth $82 million to clear the site, and before that, there was a court fight between Deutsche Bank and its insurers that ended after former Senator George J. Mitchell was called in as a mediator.

The solution was for the development corporation, which is controlled jointly by the state and the city, to buy the building for $90 million.

The federal Environmental Protection Agency approved the plan for dismantling the building last September after reviewing methods for keeping contaminants from being released into the air during the deconstruction.

The E.P.A. action came two months after a deputy commissioner for the city Department of Environmental Protection, Robert C. Avaltroni Jr., began leading meetings every other week with city and state officials and officials from the regional office of the E.P.A. to deal with issues raised by the project. Those meetings continued as Gov. George E. Pataki left office and Gov. Eliot Spitzer took over.

Finally, crews began driving what are called needle beams into the facade. The needle beams anchored the scaffolding, which obscured the building as the interior decontamination, including a top-to-bottom wipe-down, began.

Soon the crews were removing the floor-to-ceiling windows and replacing them with plywood.

Then the project slowed down again, as Bovis and the John Galt Corporation negotiated with the development corporation. They said they wanted an extra $30 million because the project turned out to be more complicated than they had expected it to be. Mr. Schick said the development corporation agreed to advance a total of $38 million toward the cost of finishing the job, with the exact amount to be negotiated — or litigated — later.

What is happening at 130 Liberty Street is certainly different from most demolition projects, where the process is less methodical and the rubble a jumble of steel, concrete, plaster and glass. In some ways, the Deutsche Bank building looks more like a construction site than a demolition site. Scaffolding runs up the outside of the building, as do elevators that are little more than lifts with perforated walls.

On the upper floors, where Mr. Schick and David Emil, the president of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, led their tour, the work is being done by people in hard hats.

That was a sign of progress. The last time a reporter and a photographer were allowed in the building, they had to wear respirators and body suits.

This time, on the 26th floor, there was a grid of steel beams where the floor slab had been removed. And there was the part of the slab that Mr. Schick and Mr. Emil could still walk on, even as the excavator pounded the concrete. “In about 36 months,” Mr. Schick said, “there will be some banker here.”

He and Mr. Emil are determined to finish the disassembly to clear the way for a new building that will house JPMorgan Chase’s investment banking headquarters. “JPMorgan Chase is making a huge bet on our ability to do that,” Mr. Schick said.

Mr. Emil said the removal of the Deutsche Bank building would be finished in “late winter” — that is, in early 2008. But the deal for the additional money for Bovis and John Galt included a bonus if they finish by Dec. 31.


The deconstruction has had its problems. In May, a 22-foot-long metal pipe fell from the 35th floor and smashed through the roof of a nearby firehouse. No one was seriously hurt, but the deconstruction work was halted for about a week while the city reviewed safety precautions.

Mr. Schick said that a Buildings Department inspector is assigned to the building full time, as are inspectors from the E.P.A. and the state Labor Department, who are checking for environmental hazards. He said the work could be halted if they found unexpected debris the size of a dime — in a space not quite as large as an acre.

Twelve monitors that check air quality have been mounted on or near the building.

The last time one went off, Mr. Schick said, it was caused by drilling by Con Edison that had nothing to do with the project.

“This building is unique,” said Mr. Avaltroni, the city environmental official. “It was severely damaged, it had the gash, it had not been dealt with for a period of time, and if you look at it symbolically, it’s very important to get it down. The main objective here is do it right, get it done.”




On Sept. 11, 2001, the former Deutsche Bank building at 130 Liberty Street in Lower Manhattan, was damaged by pieces of the World Trade Center. The building, seen here on July 17, is being dismantled. The plywood-enclosed area at the top of the building was in the process of undergoing abatement for asbestos and other hazardous contaminants.



After abatement is completed, each floor of the building looks like this. The dismantling process represents the first complete removal of a building so large and so badly contaminated. Excessive levels of seven hazardous substances, including asbestos, dioxin, lead and chromium were measured in the building.



A mechanical excavator worked to break apart one of the building's concrete floors. Water was sprayed to hold down dust. The workers can dismantle one floor about every four days.



Once the concrete slab and metal decking are removed, what remains is a steel skeleton of each floor.



Steel beams that framed the horizontal structure of the building were cut away with torches.



An internal staircase, which served as a fire exit, was one of the last remaining structures on the 27th floor.



Two skid steer loaders pulled down the bay, which was already cut at the base of each column.



Within seconds, the whole bay had toppled, landing on the floor slab with a large jolt.



The same compact loader that pulled the wall down was used to cart away debris for removal by crane.



A large container filled with debris, seen at left, was hoisted from the roof.



The container was lowered to a staging area on the south side of Liberty Street.



An crane waited to unload the container.
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OMG this site must be cursed!!

a fire broke out today at the Deutsche Bank...











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Old Posted Aug 19, 2007, 4:26 AM
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^ And I almost went down there today to get pics. This building has been haunting us since 9/11, and doesn't want to go without inflicting more hurt...


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‘No Danger’ of Collapse at Deutsche Bank Fire, Mayor Says; 2 Firefighters Are Dead

By Ray Rivera
August 18, 2007

Two firefighters are dead from injuries they sustained fighting a fire at the vacant Deutsche Bank building at 130 Liberty Street opposite ground zero today, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg confirmed at a news conference this evening. Mr. Bloomberg said the fire was not yet under control but there was “no danger” that the building would collapse.

He identified one of the dead as Firefighter Joseph Graffagnino, 34, of Brooklyn, who had with the department for eight years. The other firefighter was subsequently identified as Robert Beddia, 53, of Staten Island. Both firefighters were from a fire house — Engine 24, Ladder 5 and Battalion 2 — that lost 11 firefighters on Sept. 11, 2001.

The firefighters, in cardiac arrest, were taken to New York Downtown Hospital, where they were pronounced dead. “Sadly today once again two of New York City’s bravest have made the ultimate sacrifice answering the call of duty,” the mayor said after 9 p.m. at a news conference at the hospital.
Mr. Bloomberg added, “As of now the fire is still not under control. The cause of the fire will be investigated by fire marshals as soon as firefighters have extinguished the remaining pockets of fire.”

The mayor was joined at the news conference by Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta; Louis J. Garcia, the chief fire marshal; Frank P. Cruthers, the first deputy fire commissioner; Dr. David J. Prezant, chief medical officer at the Fire Department; Dr. Lee Winter, chief of anesthesiology at the hospital; Stephen J. Cassidy, president of the Uniformed Firefighters Association; and John McDonnell of the Uniformed Fire Officers Association.

Flames tore through several floors of the building this afternoon and evening, sending potentially toxic plumes of smoke over Lower Manhattan in a scene eerily reminiscent of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack.

The structure is known to contain asbestos and other toxic materials, but the mayor said: “All the preliminary tests say that there is not any environmental danger.”


Mr. Bloomberg also said:

Air quality and the environmental impact, as you might imagine, are a top concern to us and we are monitoring the situation very closely. We are very much aware about the Lower Manhattan community’s concern about the possible environmental effect regarding the demolition of this building.
Right now, our health experts at the Health Department and the Department of Environmental Protection do not see the need for a frozen zone other than in the immediate area for the purpose of conducting fire and emergency operations but we will continue to monitor air quality as the situation develops. …

Today’s events really are another cruel blow to our city and to the Fire Department and specifically to the house that Engine 24, Ladder 5 and Battalion 2 are in. They are just across the street from the Deutsche Bank building and on Sept. 11, 11 people from this house were killed.

Commissioner Scoppetta said:

This was an especially difficult fire, made especially difficult because that building is under demolition. There was a lot of asbestos abatement going on, being monitored all the time. Civilian employees saw smoke, notified an elevator operator, he discovered fire on the 17th floor, workers all went down with him, and the Fire Department was notified.

We were here in less than three and a half minutes. There were 87 units, 475 firefighters, fight a truly difficult fire, because of the smoke conditions as well as the fire. We had to lift lines from the street, with ropes in order to get it up to the 17th floor, because that building, being under demolition, being in the condition that it is. …

Terrible event, terrible tragedy — that house being hit again makes it all the more devastating.

In discussing the matter further, Mr. Bloomberg said the two firefighters were “found right away” and pulled out of the fire. “Doctors said the level of carbon monoxide is at such an elevated level that it’s not surprising that they went into cardiac arrest. It’s not always fatal. But clearly at that level I am told it is very dangerous.”

He elaborated on the structural integrity of the skyscraper: “We’ve had the Buildings Department in there, they’ve looked at every floor and they are totally satisfied that there is no danger whatsoever. The fire was not that hot. The aluminum decking may melt, but the basic structure of the building, our Buildings Department has said quite explicitly, is secure.”

Bonnie Bellow, a federal spokeswoman for the Environmental Protection Agency, told us:

There are monitors that are in place to monitor any release that could happen as a result of deconstruction of the building. There are four on the 15th floor, four on the ground level, and four on the rooftops of adjacent buildings. At this point, we don’t have information because the Fire Department is still on the scene.

On Friday, The Times published an explanatory article and a slide show about the ongoing dismantling of the building. About 14 floors have already been dismantled.

The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, which took ownership of the building in August 2004, has a Web site with extensive resources on the building, including past air monitoring results and the plan for deconstructing the building.
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An erie grim reminder of 09-11!!

I wonder if TalB will be there protesting for the Twins to be rebuilt. Haha!!
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What the heck is 9/11 truth now? Is it somehow related to some type of government conspiracy theory? All I can say is come on dude get a life will ya.

Staying on topic. I'm sorry for the families of these firefighters.
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how sad how this site had become a side freak show!!!!!burning tower, dying men...and these fools posing for a snapshot!!!

That damn ugly eye sore should of been demolished/exploded
Weeks after 9/11 instead of dismantling it screw by screw.
Two fire fighters lost their lives for fear that knocking
Down the bank in a few minutes might bring awful memories
Back to local residents. To the residents take a long weekend
Off, blow that stupid building up and stop this method of
Madness.
To Our bravest...REST IN PEACE.
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What the heck is 9/11 truth now? Is it somehow related to some type of government conspiracy theory? All I can say is come on dude get a life will ya.

Staying on topic. I'm sorry for the families of these firefighters.


I got a life, dude. Don't start with that goddamn conspiracy theory crap about 09-11 again. You put yourself in hot water because of that before!

And don't come back here looking for another excuse to fight again.

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Firefighter Joseph Graffagnino and Firefighter Robert Beddia. They gave their lives fighting the Deutsche Bank fire.

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I wouldn't want that job for all the tea in China!!!
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Looks like huge flames from more than one floor. I thought the buildning pretty much was stripped down to concrete and steal. But there seems to still be some wood and other stuff in there that can catch fire. Maybe also gas tanks and fuel for the machines used to dismantle the building.

Too bad that two people had to die in a buildning that was "empty" I mean firefighters sometimes get injured or killed trying to save buldings where people live and maybe also trapped in during fire, but this was so unnecessary.
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^All that plywood should make for great burning material, so there you go.
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