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Speaking of the Four Points by Sheraton, Le Droit published a related article just two hours ago. They are a excellent resource for anything Gatineau related.

Quick break-down of the article, this is not a replacement for Place des Peuples (PdP). Desjardins wants to work with the City and citizens to create the project, as opposed to imposing his vision (as he did with PdP).

The site is twice the size as the now defunct PdP proposal.

Desjardins sees the old presbytery as a jewel in the city, the third in the Brigil portfolio (with Ferme Columbia and Chez Henri Burger (Green Papaya) at the PdP site). The surface parking is an embarrassment, and I fully agree with that statement.

Desjardins wants to maintain ownership of the PdP site and respect the new designation of the Quartier-du-Musée (Q-d-M). He's ready to contribute financially to the sector's heritage preservation. He wants to restore the old Henri Burger into a reputable restaurant as it was for decades and he's open to making the St-Joseph High School parking lot a park (which he still doesn't own, as far as I know).

Mayoral candidate Jean-François LeBlanc wants a revival of PdP on this site. Mayor Pedneaud-Jobin is open to discussions as long as the project respects the current zoning (30 floors).

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9 mars 2021 13h51



Le grand patron de Brigil, Gilles Desjardins, vient d’acquérir le terrain du 35, rue Laurier, sur lequel se trouve le Four Points Sheraton. De l’avis du maire Maxime Pedneaud-Jobin, il s’agit d’un des terrains les plus «stratégiques» de tout Gatineau. Le promoteur souhaite y ériger un projet «iconique» et invite la Ville à collaborer à sa réflexion.

«Je suis tout à fait ouvert à des compromis, à la discussion, lance-t-il. Je suis ouvert à discuter avec le conseil municipal, la direction de la Ville, le service d’urbanisme, tout le monde. Qu’ils me disent ce qu’ils souhaiteraient voir à cet endroit-là. Qu’est ce que les Gatinois veulent là? C’est là-dessus que je souhaite travailler. Je veux faire un projet rassembleur dont tout le monde sera content. Je veux prendre mon temps. Je ne suis pas pressé. Je ne veux pas imposer ma vision. Je veux être respectueux et j’espère que les gens seront ouverts à discuter avec moi.»

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M. Desjardins n’a pas une idée prédéfinie de ce que sera son projet. Il ne s’agit pas du simple déménagement du projet Place des Peuples, ces deux tours de 35 et 55 étages qui ont déchiré les Gatinois lors de la dernière campagne électorale. Le zonage où se trouve le Four Points a été augmenté à un maximum de 30 étages lors du dernier mandat, alors que Richard Bégin était président du comité consultatif d’urbanisme. Les terrains nouvellement acquis par Brigil sont d’une superficie de 76 000 pi2. C’est deux fois plus grand que les terrains sur lesquels M. Desjardins souhaitait construire Place des Peuples.

«Il y a l’ancien presbytère, note M. Desjardins. C’est un bijou du patrimoine. C’est notre troisième immeuble patrimonial avec la Ferme Columbia et le Henri Burger. Je veux en prendre soin. Je crois que la préservation du patrimoine est aussi l’affaire du secteur privé. Il y a aussi un stationnement de 200 places. C’est situé juste en face du Musée canadien de l’histoire, le plus visité au pays. C’est un peu une honte d’avoir ça là. Je veux faire quelque chose avec ça c’est évident.»

M. Desjardins conserve aussi les terrains qu’il a acquis en bordure du Quartier-du-Musée (Q-d-M). Il dit vouloir respecter la citation patrimoniale du Q-d-M. Il affirme même être prêt à participer financièrement à la rénovation de maisons du quartier. «Je veux que le Henri Burger redevienne un restaurant réputé, comme à l’époque, dit-il. Il y a aussi le stationnement des soeurs. Peut-être qu’elles seraient ouvertes à vouloir en faire un parc. Il y a vraiment une vision sur 10, 15, 50 ans qu’il faut avoir pour tout ce secteur.»

Pedneaud-Jobin prêt à discuter

Les réactions politiques n’ont pas tardé. Plusieurs ont souligné que cette acquisition de M. Desjardins permet de rapatrier une propriété hautement stratégique dans le portefeuille d’un promoteur local. Les anciens propriétaires étaient de Toronto.

Le candidat à la mairie, Jean-François LeBlanc, a dit espérer un projet «similaire» à Place des Peuples. «Je vais être en mode collaboration et ouverture pour faire avancer ce projet-là, a-t-il dit. Des chambres d’hôtel pour attirer des congrès, la tour d’observation, un resto 5 diamants; ce sont des choses dont on a besoin à proximité d’Ottawa. On a fait des modifications à la planification dans le temps pour accueillir de gros bâtiments [Musée canadien de l’histoire et Casino du Lac-Leamy] et aujourd’hui on est fier de les avoir. Si on avait la possibilité d’avoir une autre icône, il faut être capable d’avoir une ouverture d’esprit.»

Le maire Pedneaud-Jobin a rappelé son attachement à la planification en vigueur dans ce secteur. Elle s’inscrit dans le schéma d’aménagement, le Plan particulier d’urbanisme et dans le plan d’urbanisme. «Si le projet qui s’en vient correspond à notre planification, c’est une excellente nouvelle, mais je vais attende de voir de quoi on parle avant de me réjouir», a-t-il affirmé.

Quant à l’invitation lancée à la Ville de Gatineau par M. Desjardins pour développer le projet en collaboration, le maire Pedneaud-Jobin répond que ça peut se faire. «Le cadre de ce que la Ville veut à cet endroit est tout à fait défini, dit-il. Si le promoteur veut avoir une discussion à l’intérieur de ce cadre-là, on peut. Si c’est à l’intérieur de ce cadre que le promoteur veut cheminer, veut avoir un dialogue, c’est certain que ça peut se faire. Ce n’est pas la façon habituelle de procéder, mais dans la mesure où la planification est respectée je suis ouvert au dialogue si on veut faire quelque chose de plus.»
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By: David Sali, OBJ
Published: Mar 9, 2021 4:59pm EST




A real estate firm that recently announced plans to redevelop the site of Ottawa’s former Greyhound bus terminal says it’s buying a major hotel and a historic building in downtown Gatineau in a bid to revitalize that city’s heritage district.

Brigil said Tuesday it’s reached an agreement to purchase the Four Points by Sheraton Hotel and Conference Centre at 35 Laurier Ave. in Gatineau, just west of the Canadian Museum of History. The sale is expected to close at the end of April.

The 1.75-acre site also contains the former Notre-Dame-de-Grâce Presbytery, a five-storey heritage building that now houses a conference centre for the hotel.

“It’s a very important site for the post-COVID economic growth of the (city) centre,” says Brigil’s vice-president of development, Jessy Desjardins.

Current zoning permits buildings of up to 30 storeys at the site. Desjardins, the son of Brigil founder Gilles Desjardins, says the firm plans to consult with residents and business

The property is located just steps from Gatineau’s Quartier-du-Mus​ée district, a neighbourhood known for its historic houses that survived a devastating fire that razed much of the city centre in 1900.

“We’re really at the drawing (board),” he says. “We want to create a tourist-(friendly project) that’s going to be great for the whole community.”

Desjardins says Brigil plans to continue operating the 201-room hotel, which was renovated in 2019, under the Sheraton banner.

He says the company also plans to preserve the former rectory next door. Built in 1889, the heritage structure served Notre-Dame-de-Grâce Church, which was destroyed by fire in 1971.

Desjardins says museums and community groups have already approached the developer about potentially becoming tenants in the distinctive greystone building.

“We’re looking at all our options,” he says.

Brigil says the property fits well with its vision of a “15-minute neighbourhood” where people can walk everywhere and don’t need cars.

“Cities offer what suburbs don’t ​– great access to walkable services, to culture, to entertainment, whether it’s music shows, festivals or museums,” Desjardins says, adding that he believes residents and tourists alike will be eager to return to the city’s core when the COVID-19 crisis abates.

“After wars or after pandemics in the past, we’ve seen strong migration towards city centres once things are resolved. We’re pretty confident. It’s human nature to be with other humans, so city centres are going to be there for a long time.”

Desjardins says there’s currently no set timeline for redeveloping the property.

“It’s going to be an evolutionary process,” he says, adding the company hopes to start meeting with residents and community groups this spring. “From there, everything will fall into place.”

It’s not the first time Brigil has floated a major development project for the neighbourhood.

Three years ago, the builder proposed a controversial $400-million plan to construct a 35-storey and a 55-storey tower with a total of more than 400 condos and 320 hotel rooms across from the Canadian Museum of History.

The plan sparked an outcry from opponents who argued the proposed buildings were too tall and did fit the character of surrounding streets. In 2018, Gatineau city council chose to designate the area a heritage district with a three-storey limit on all new development, effectively scuttling the project.

Meanwhile, Brigil also has its sights set on redeveloping a prominent property on the Ottawa side of the river.

The company recently purchased the 2.55-acre site of the former Greyhound bus station on Catherine Street. Brigil plans to build a mix of condos, townhomes and rental apartments on the property, along with office suites and a retail component that could include coffee shops, eateries, boutiques and specialty food stores.

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I could see a slim 35-40fl tower on a podium on the north parking lot, set back from Papineau as much as possible. The square formed by the Sheraton, the old Presbytery and the new tower/podium could become a park/plaza. New 3 storey glass links each side of the Presbytery. Could be an awesome project.

MPJ would not approve of any height beyond the approved 30 fl. LeBlanc or Ducharme would approve just about anything. MMB or Belisle might be open to increased height.

On Le Téléjournal Ottawa-Gatineau, they mentioned a concept and preliminary renderings will come out this spring.
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Can this Gatineau site support $1-billion of development?

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September 7, 2021


A Gatineau real estate developer wants to see up to a billion dollars of new development on a prime piece of real estate near the Canadian Museum of History.

Brigil bought the property at 35 Laurier Ave. in Gatineau, just west of the museum, earlier this year. The 1.75-acre parcel is now occupied by the Four Points by Sheraton Hotel and Conference Centre and the former Notre-Dame-de-Grâce Presbytery, a five-storey heritage building that now houses a conference centre for the hotel that the builder intends to preserve.

Current zoning allows buildings up to 30 storeys at the site.

“It all depends on what the community wants there and what we can actually achieve,” Jessy Desjardins, vice-president of development at Brigil, told OBJ in an interview. “There’s a lot of potential to this site.”

Desjardins, the son of Brigil founder Gilles Desjardins, says the firm is consulting with residents and business groups to map out a development strategy for the parking lot beside the hotel.

Desjardins noted that the Canadian Museum of History drew more than 1.2 million visitors a year before the pandemic. He thinks the industry is poised to bounce back in the next few years and says the Laurier Avenue property is the “perfect environment” for tourist amenities such as restaurants and meeting facilities.

“The intention here is to really start to create this urban fabric that drives people into the downtown area,” he said, adding Brigil is “really open” to community input on what the site could look like.

Desjardins stressed that development discussions are still in their embryonic stages. Noting that pedestrian traffic in the downtown core has plummeted since government workers began working remotely during COVID-19, he said his company plans to work closely with Gatineau city hall on a development plan that will draw new residents to the area.

“With more people, obviously there’s more services for the community and all the benefits that come with a 15-minute walkable neighbourhood,” he said. “The more we build, the less pressure we put on the existing inventory of housing. As a city, we need to encourage as much new development as possible in the right location to really relieve that pressure.”

It’s not the first time Brigil has floated a major development project for the neighbourhood.

Three years ago, the builder proposed a controversial $400-million plan to construct a 35-storey and a 55-storey tower with a total of more than 400 condos and 320 hotel rooms across from the Canadian Museum of History.

The plan sparked an outcry from opponents who argued the proposed buildings were too tall and didn’t fit the character of surrounding streets. In 2018, Gatineau city council chose to designate the area a heritage district with a three-storey limit on all new development, effectively scuttling the project.

Meanwhile, Brigil also has its sights set on redeveloping a prominent property on the Ottawa side of the river.

Earlier this year, the company purchased the 2.55-acre site of the former Greyhound bus station on Catherine Street. Brigil plans to build a mix of condos, townhomes and rental apartments on the property, along with office suites and a retail component that could include coffee shops, eateries, boutiques and specialty food stores.

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Brigil revient à la charge dans le centre-ville

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20 janvier 2022 15h11


Le grand patron de Brigil, Gilles Desjardins, repart la machine dans le centre-ville de Gatineau. Fort de sa toute dernière acquisition dans le secteur, le 35, rue Laurier, qui comprend l’hôtel Four Points et l’ancien presbytère, l’homme d’affaires est sur le point d’interpeller l’administration Bélisle et son service de l’urbanisme pour remettre sa vision du secteur sur les rails.

M. Desjardins vient par ailleurs de s’adjoindre les services de l’ex-animateur au 104,7 FM, Roch Cholette. Ce dernier n’a jamais hésité à militer pour les tours 35 et 55 étages proposées par le projet Place des peuples alors qu’il était à l’antenne. M. Cholette joint officiellement l’équipe de lobbyistes au service de l’entreprise. Il sera autorisé à intervenir auprès des autorités municipales et provinciales.

En entrevue avec Le Droit, Gilles Desjardins précise que Place des peuples n’est plus sur ses tables à dessin. L’ajout du 35, rue Laurier à son portefeuille immobilier en mars 2021 vient complètement changer le portrait. «On a un plaisir fou à élaborer des concepts pour ce projet, dit-il. On a un bijou avec ce terrain. On veut s’engager dans un projet rassembleur. On va demander directement à la Ville ce qu’elle souhaiterait voir là. On veut être patient.»

60 étages?

Ainsi, M. Desjardins compte demander une rencontre avec le service de l’urbanisme au cours des prochaines semaines afin de lancer ce nouveau projet d’envergure en plein cœur du centre-ville. «Je veux demander à la Ville ce qu’elle veut», a résumé le promoteur immobilier. Il faudra voir quelle réception la Ville de Gatineau fera à l’homme d’affaires. La même stratégie s’était soldée par un échec lorsque Maxime Pedneaud-Jobin était maire. Ce dernier répétait que le promoteur devait d’abord présenter un projet au service de l’urbanisme pour qu’il soit analysé. La nouvelle mairesse, France Bélisle, a répété à plusieurs reprises vouloir incarner un changement de ton avec les promoteurs.

L’ancienne administration a approuvé, en 2016, un projet pouvant atteindre 30 étages au 35, rue Laurier. «Les tendances ont changé, note M. Desjardins. Je crois qu’on peut faire mieux que ça. On est en contact avec plusieurs architectes et nous avons plusieurs choses à l’étude. On veut travailler avec les voisins, la communauté et avec le service de l’urbanisme. On veut travailler en équipe.» La fiche inscrite au registre des lobbyistes parle d’un projet qui pourrait atteindre 60 étages à cet endroit.

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Le promoteur immobilier reste flou sur les détails de ce qu’il a en tête pour le redéveloppement des terrains hautement stratégiques dont il dispose sur la rue Laurier. Tout au plus, il dit souhaiter voir revivre l’immeuble patrimonial de l’ancien Henry Burger. «On veut investir, le rénover et attirer un locataire qui pourra rendre hommage à ce lieu, affirme M. Desjardins. On est prêt à aider pour accueillir un nouveau restaurant signature. On va être patient.»

M. Desjardins croit qu’il est possible de penser que son projet sur la rue Laurier pourrait commencer à voir le jour d’ici deux à quatre ans. «La vitesse va dépendre de la Ville, dit-il. La balle est dans le camp de la Ville.»

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60 storeys behind the centre block? How is there no mention about the NCC being a barrier here...
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60 stories!!! I dont see that happening lol even with a new mayor!!!
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As much as I'd love to see a statement 60fl tower there, I'm not holding my breath.

What Hull needs it a lot of smaller developments rather than 1 statement tower. So many empty lots and surface parking. We need residents and retail and continuous frontage across the old "ile de hull".
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Currently the tallest tower in Montreal is 47 floor just to give you an idea and the tallest one under construction is 61.
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60 storeys behind the centre block? How is there no mention about the NCC being a barrier here...
I don't get that. They didn't make a peep when Place des Peuples was proposed. To me, the impact of skyscrapers behind Parliament is more detrimental than in front and offside (near Place de Ville, for example).

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Which is still much shorter than the current tallest (743 ft vs 665 ft). Shows how office floors are much higher.

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60 stories!!! I dont see that happening lol even with a new mayor!!!
I have a feeling we have a rubber stamping council on hand here.

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As much as I'd love to see a statement 60fl tower there, I'm not holding my breath.

What Hull needs it a lot of smaller developments rather than 1 statement tower. So many empty lots and surface parking. We need residents and retail and continuous frontage across the old "ile de hull".
I agree.

The article (or Desjardins) doesn't really say if the 60 floor proposal would be at the Place des Peuples site or the Four Points parking lot. One would hope he would have gotten the message from the huge opposition by residents and Council at the time (with residents re-electing an Action Gatineau member for the district). Propose something more modest size wise for the Chez- Henri site and build taller at Four Points.
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I don't get that. They didn't make a peep when Place des Peuples was proposed. To me, the impact of skyscrapers behind Parliament is more detrimental than in front and offside (near Place de Ville, for example).
I live in Ottawa so a skyscraper behind parliament doesnt bother me, but i do think Gatineau would be wise to incorporate protected view of parliament to benefit their own citizens. Something from St-Joseph to parliament. St-Joseph is already elevated so it would not completely prevent something between 15-20fl tall in the protected view i would think
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I live in Ottawa so a skyscraper behind parliament doesnt bother me, but i do think Gatineau would be wise to incorporate protected view of parliament to benefit their own citizens. Something from St-Joseph to parliament. St-Joseph is already elevated so it would not completely prevent something between 15-20fl tall in the protected view i would think
Agreed. Lots of great vantage point along highway 50 as well. Always thought an observatory on Chemin des Terres would be a great tourist attraction.
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The NCC has always seemed to take a different approach with Gatineau (Hull) on such matters, compared to how it deals with Ottawa.
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The NCC has always seemed to take a different approach with Gatineau (Hull) on such matters, compared to how it deals with Ottawa.
Well Ottawa is still the only Capital. The Capital isnt Ottawa/Gatineau
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Well Ottawa is still the only Capital. The Capital isnt Ottawa/Gatineau
But NCC has jurisdiction on both sides. Views or Parliament are views of Parliament.
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Yes...and no. While Ottawa is 'The Capital' Gatineau is included in the National Capital Region' formally


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The National Capital Region (French: Région de la capitale nationale), also referred to as Canada's Capital Region and Ottawa–Gatineau (formerly Ottawa–Hull), is an official federal designation for the Canadian capital of Ottawa, Ontario, the neighbouring city of Gatineau, Quebec, and surrounding suburban and exurban communities.
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More specific to the issue at hand, sightlines of Parliament Hill are something that the NCC aims to protect, and a number of these are on the Quebec side.

But for some reason they've always taken a slightly different approach with Gatineau. At least it seems to me.
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