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We have a steel/glass structure going up at the NAC, people seemed happy.
Yes, because it was an addition or change to the ugliest g.d. building in Canada.

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We have a steel/glass structure at the Museum of Nature.
Yes, a small and tasteful one, on a site with 1/20th the prominence of the Chateau Laurier's Parliament-Hill-and-river-facing side.

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I think some people are looking at the renderings and not realizing this new addition will not be visible from Wellington/Elgin.
Even worse: it'll be visible as part of the iconic view of the old Ottawa skyline from the river.
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What it takes to add on to the Château Laurier

David Reevely, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: September 19, 2016 | Last Updated: September 19, 2016 4:46 PM EDT


The owners of the Château Laurier are licking their wounds but planning to press ahead with their plans for an addition to the historic hotel after a nearly unanimous chorus of dismay greeted their announcement last week.

“(I)t is important to maintain an open and transparent dialogue with the public, and we will be doing so later this fall at the Fairmont Château Laurier,” says Dennis Jacobs, a consultant working on Larco Investments’ expansion project: a new section on the north side, with long-stay suites in a modern wrapper markedly different from the Chateau’s old design.

Jacobs is a former planning-policy chief at city hall. He gets how public disapproval can derail a high-profile project.

In the middle of the storm, Coun. Mathieu Fleury retreated smartly from his initial endorsement of the “captivating architectural design.”

“Back to the drawing board,” Mayor Jim Watson advised.

We never left it, Jacobs says. And we’re still very, very open to ideas. “As we are still at the drawing board, it will be critical for us to receive these comments prior to filing our site plan application,” he says.

Here’s the thing: Officially, “I think it’s hideous” is neither here nor there when it comes to getting official approvals, as community associations and neighbours appearing before city council’s planning committee have learned.

If a proposal really looks lovely, or has wide public support, that can lead politicians to make more generous assessments. But in theory, they’re supposed to care about practicalities and quantifiable measurements, not about whether people find a building nice to look at.

Aesthetic appeal depends on taste, and, as a rule, the government doesn’t have any.

In Ontario, some cities, including Ottawa, have tried to make special categories for “landmark” buildings, real standouts that could justify bending some rules that would otherwise apply. The Ontario Municipal Board ruled last year that this is OK, as a city you can say you want “an element of wow” in your architecture, “assuming that the mechanics can be arranged as methodically and objectively as possible.”

These are the hurdles a plan to modify the Château Laurier will have to surmount:

Site-plan approval

This is a mainly technical process that looks at how a medium-to-large new construction project affects its immediate neighbours — things like loading docks and parking access, garbage rooms and exhaust fans. There can be a need for things like transportation impact studies, environmental reports and servicing studies to make sure existing pipes can handle the demand for water and sewage.

Ordinarily, site plans are signed off by city staff without political involvement — they’re more like building permits than rezonings, making sure existing rules are followed rather than changing them — though if a project is big and high-profile enough there can be neighbourhood presentations and a planning committee vote.

The fact the site is in the downtown core means even a site-plan application triggers an assessment by the city’s urban-design review panel. That’s a group of seven architects and urban planners, mostly from Toronto, who give an opinion on large and high-profile projects. Their advice isn’t binding but a firm thumbs-up or -down will influence politicians’ thinking. They’ve seen two iterations of the plans already, Jacobs says.

Design approval

This is the biggie, mainly because it’s in the hands of the National Capital Commission. The Château Laurier itself is on private land but it impinges on federal land all over, including Major’s Hill Park and Mackenzie Avenue (which is part of the NCC’s ceremonial “Confederation Boulevard”). The hotel can’t interfere with views of Parliament Hill or with the Rideau Canal’s status as a world-heritage site.

The commission’s board of directors gets to vote on the design of major changes to any building that’ll affect important symbols in the capital. The NCC has its own design-review panel to advise it, comprising architects and planners from coast to coast.

Larco has already had two meetings with that panel to get advice, without yet having submitted a formal application.

Unlike the city’s decisions, which can be appealed to the Ontario Municipal Board, the NCC board’s votes can only be taken to the federal cabinet to be overturned. Catherine McKenna, the Ottawa Centre MP and senior Liberal minister in the capital, has used Twitter to praise Ottawans for speaking their minds on the plan.

"It is great to see the passion about @fairmontlaurier. Love that residents are owning their Ottawa!"

This doesn’t sound like someone who’s itching to charge to Larco’s defence.

Heritage approval

The Château Laurier is a “designated” heritage structure under Ontario law, which means it’s on an official list of protected buildings. If you want to change such a building, you need approval from city council. That starts with an application that gets assessed by a subcommittee of city council’s planning committee, augmented by a handful of heritage architects and other specialists. They pass their recommendation on to council’s planning committee, which passes it on to the full city council.

Larco’s plans don’t involve messing with the front face of the Château, which makes things easier, but practically every view of the building is important and distinctive, and you tack things onto it at your peril.

These days, the orthodoxy on additions to heritage buildings is that new parts should complement the old parts but not copy them — they should be “physically and visually compatible with, subordinate to and distinguishable from the historic” elements.

Let’s eyeball Larco’s plans:

Physically and visually compatible? Hmm. Materials play a role here, but for most people this is where the Château plan falls down.

Subordinate to? Yes, from every angle except directly behind. It’s not nearly as big an addition as some of the perspectives make it look. Though from Major’s Hill Park, it’s like the Château is wearing a mask.

Distinguishable from the original? Oh. Well, yes, it’s that, for sure.

None of this begins in earnest until Larco submits its paperwork to the city and the NCC. There’s no deadline for that, and no hurry except any the company’s executives feel about keeping their own schedule.

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Chateau Laurier expansion plans being ‘refined’

Peter Kovessy, OBJ
Published on September 19, 2016


The owners of the Chateau Laurier are making changes to their controversial plans to expand the iconic downtown hotel.

However, a Larco Investments executive says he remains optimistic that the project can still break ground next autumn and says he plans to submit a formal development application to the city next month.

“We knew the Chateau Laurier was going to attract a lot of attention,” said development director Art Phillips in an interview. “There will be an overall refinement of [our plans].”

Larco Investments purchased the Chateau Laurier in 2013 and said at the time that no major changes were planned for the historic property.

However, last week Larco unveiled its vision for adding some 200 extended-stay suites by demolishing the existing five-storey parking garage and constructing a new underground car park.

The underground parking garage alone is expected to cost up to $19.2 million, depending on the number of stalls, Mr. Phillips said.

The artistic renderings were already the fourth version of the design and incorporated some of the feedback provided by the National Capital Commission and the city’s urban design review panel, Larco stated.

However, many residents reacted angrily and condemned the expansion plans, in some cases likening the design to a spaceship or stack of shipping containers.

Mr. Phillips said he has also received “constructive” feedback that he’s forwarded to the firm’s design team.

Among the likely changes is the appearance of the roof. Mr. Phillips said some people suggested it looked too “boxy,” so architects are looking at a mansard-style roof containing four sloping sides that become steeper midway down.

“They will now be able to capture … more of the spirit of the building,” Mr. Phillips said.


What were they thinking?

Under planning rules, additions to heritage buildings are not supposed to mimic or duplicate the original structure. Instead, the new components should be “subordinate” to the historic building and have a modern appearance, Mr. Phillips said.

Viewed from the outside, the Chateau Laurier has three principal elements: the building base, a midsection containing the rooms and the top roofline.

The expansion proposes continuing all three of these elements, utilizing similar materials such as limestone and copper.

Mr. Phillips said he hopes the expansion will restore some of the sightlines of Major’s Hill Park from the Chateau Laurier that were lost when the parking garage was constructed.

“When we host the [public] information meeting [in November], rather than having the [ballroom] curtains drawn, we’re going to have them wide open. People can look out that window and see a concrete wall three feet away,” Mr. Phillips said.

“I’m surprised approval was ever granted for that parkade.”


Extended stay market

With its expansion plans, Larco Investments is attempting to tap into a new hospitality market segment.

Rather than building traditional hotel rooms, Larco wants to construct one-, two- and three-bedroom suites marketed at guests staying 30 days or more.

Mr. Phillips said the Chateau Laurier’s proximity to the parliamentary precinct makes it attractive to diplomats, federal politicians and NGO staff who travel to Ottawa for extended periods of time.

He said it’s also an attractive business proposition for Larco Investments.

“Rather than relying on a daily occupancy rate that may or may not [materialize], you’re looking at a guaranteed rate coming in,” Mr. Phillips said, adding that the rooms can still be rented out by the day if they are vacant.

Minto Properties is currently the largest extended-stay and furnished suite provider in Ottawa with 213 units, according to OBJ’s Book of Lists.

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Heritage Ottawa worried proposed Château additions are ‘ultimately inappropriate’

Susana Mas, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: September 20, 2016 | Last Updated: September 20, 2016 11:04 AM EDT


Heritage Ottawa says it’s worried that the proposed additions to the Château Laurier do not meet the criteria for the conservation of historic buildings and are “ultimately inappropriate.”

In an open letter, the non-profit group of volunteers wades into the controversy that has gripped an angry public after the owners of the Château made public their plans for the proposed expansion of the historic hotel last week.

“Heritage Ottawa is concerned that the proposed addition to the Château Laurier, as presented last week by Larco Investments, fails to satisfy the Standards and Guidelines for the Conservation of Historic Places in Canada,” said the letter posted on Heritage Ottawa’s website Monday.

At the centre of the debate are two condo-like structures that would sit behind the east and west wings of the hotel. The proposed box-shaped additions would house one-, two- and three-bedroom long-term suites. The plan also includes new underground parking and the greening of four roofs.

“A compatible addition to the Château Laurier must respond sensitively to the heritage character of the original building and its exceptional site,” Heritage Ottawa said.

The group, which expects to have an official say in the matter, goes on to argue that the site around the Château includes “iconic views” which “are invaluable elements of Ottawa’s heritage character that deserve to be honoured, respected and preserved by sensitive height, massing and overall design of any new addition to the Château Laurier.”

Achieving a balance between the old and the new is “a complex” matter for which “no recipe” exists, Heritage Ottawa said.

Art Phillips, the director of development for Larco Investments Ltd. which owns the Fairmont Château Laurier, has repeatedly maintained that the proposed plan does follow those guidelines.

Nevertheless, Heritage Canada said it’s concerned that the plan is “ultimately inappropriate to the heritage character of the Château” and its surroundings.

The group said it will push for “a solution of architectural excellence that honours its heritage value.”

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Nein. the real reason is that Modernist manifesto has purged the language of ornamentation from architecture, and vilified it as degenerate. Read about Adolf Loos' Ornament and Crime and you see that contemporary architects are still buying that shitte. It's kind of like using another Adolf's 'Mein Kampf" to guide social policies today. Loos basically reasoned that only degenerates and criminals had tattoos, therefore decoration was a crime that desecrates the purity and honesty of surfaces. Ironic that tattooing has gotten into vogue lately.

Establishment architects frown on revivalist architecture because it has been engrained in them that it is dishonest and does not reflect contemporary values and culture. I guess the soul-less boxes do?
Bravo. My sentiment exactly. Why should we deprive ourselves of architectural styles we know we like? Human history is full of revivalisms. Inventions are meant to be used. Styles too.

I agree with those who say that we should see the extension in exactly the same architectural style with exactly the same materials. Nothing less. Then we should also move onto another big question that is absent from this whole debate: opening a new facade onto Major Hill's Park. Right now it's a blank wall because it's the parkade. With a new wing comes the opportunity to create a new interface and public realm between the ground floor of that addition and the park. I see a wide paved esplanade with nice lamp posts, as they have along the balustrade overlooking the locks, with dining areas.
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Bravo. My sentiment exactly. Why should we deprive ourselves of architectural styles we know we like? Human history is full of revivalisms. Inventions are meant to be used. Styles too.

I agree with those who say that we should see the extension in exactly the same architectural style with exactly the same materials. Nothing less. Then we should also move onto another big question that is absent from this whole debate: opening a new facade onto Major Hill's Park. Right now it's a blank wall because it's the parkade. With a new wing comes the opportunity to create a new interface and public realm between the ground floor of that addition and the park. I see a wide paved esplanade with nice lamp posts, as they have along the balustrade overlooking the locks, with dining areas.
Never underestimate the ability of Ottawa building owners and designers to present their buildings ass-first to the street or other public realm, and the ability of city council to fawn all over such ass-ugly buildings or renos as they rubber-stamp the necessary approvals.
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It is all about building something as cheaply as possible and to maximize revenue. Ornamentation costs money.
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It would be nice if the part facing the park is reminiscent of an "orangerie". Many chateaux and palaces in Europe have them, a room where the would take in potted orange trees in the winter to protect from frost. They've turned some of them into restaurants.

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Typically an orangerie would face south, so you wouldn't get this beautiful sunlight given its north facing location but overall I like the concept of something with a more traditional look.
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Designated a National Historic Site of Canada in 1981, the Fairmont Château Laurier is Ottawa's pre-eminent hotel. Located just east of the Canadian Parliament Buildings, the 429-room hotel has undergone several expansions and renovations since it was first opened in 1912. But its next major modernization is causing furor among some influential citizens of the nation's capital.
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Yes... that's what this entire thread is about.
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By "mixed reaction", they mean a mix of negative and very negative opinions.
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Hopefully "being refined" means thrown in the dumpster, set alight and whoever proposed it banished to the cupboard under the stairs.
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Château Laurier owners delay formal expansion submission in gesture of good faith

Susana Mas, The Ottawa Citizen
Published on: October 16, 2016 | Last Updated: October 16, 2016 9:50 PM EDT


The owners of the historic Château Laurier say they will delay making a formal submission to the City of Ottawa for a controversial expansion project in a bid to seek more feedback from the community first.

Plans unveiled last month for two proposed additions to the iconic hotel drew a flurry of criticism from the public, particularly on social media, heritage critics and the mayor.

Art Phillips, the director of development for Larco Investments Ltd., which represents the owners of the Fairmont Château Laurier, said at the time that a formal application with the city would be filed this month.

“I’m going to meet with the community first and then make a submission,” Phillips said in a phone interview on Sunday.

“After all the response we received the last time, I thought we would demonstrate to the community … that we are listening and that they’ll see changes.”

Phillips said a public consultation meeting is still on track to be held sometime in mid-November at the Château Laurier.

A new website is also expected to be ready by the end of this month, he said.

The current proposal also includes a new courtyard, the greening of four roofs, and a new underground parking garage open to hotel guests and the public.

According to Phillips, the architects “are still in the process of updating the drawings” based on the feedback they received, while also staying within the guidelines for the conservation of historic places.

“They’ll be presenting this to the public at the end of next month.”

Phillips said while the initial response was “quite intense,” it lasted less than a week and resulted in approximately 60 people or so writing in with formal comments.

After a formal application is made with the city, Phillips said the owners hope to hold at least one more public consultation meeting before submitting a final plan for approval sometime in 2017.

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Yeahhhh...somehow I don't think 'updating the drawings' will reduce the public's ire here. This should be more of a 'back to the drawing board' thing.
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I don't know; I think most of the objections were due to the font choice, personally.
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It still says "while also staying within the guidelines for the conservation of historic places" which is code for "it'll be designed in a modern architectural style."

This is the central issue. Personally, I think it should be designed in exactly the same architectural style as the original. I'm not willing to leave the expansion of such a key landmark building to the hopeful chance that the modern wing will be successful. For each Sir John A. Macdonald success there are a hundred underwhelming, soul-killing, could've-been's, missed opportunities, clumsies, horribles and blands that just don't have any place in a case like this one.

We know that the original château style is loved. We know that a modern addition has maybe a 5% chance of being so good that it will be written about world-wide and admired as the next touchstone of our urban silhouette. This is not just any building. This one can't possibly settle for "all right". It has to be of the highest calibre. And because of the size and mass of the proposed addition, in my view it can only be successful as an exact Château style addition. Nothing less.
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It still says "while also staying within the guidelines for the conservation of historic places" which is code for "it'll be designed in a modern architectural style."

This is the central issue. Personally, I think it should be designed in exactly the same architectural style as the original. I'm not willing to leave the expansion of such a key landmark building to the hopeful chance that the modern wing will be successful. For each Sir John A. Macdonald success there are a hundred underwhelming, soul-killing, could've-been's, missed opportunities, clumsies, horribles and blands that just don't have any place in a case like this one.

We know that the original château style is loved. We know that a modern addition has maybe a 5% chance of being so good that it will be written about world-wide and admired as the next touchstone of our urban silhouette. This is not just any building. This one can't possibly settle for "all right". It has to be of the highest calibre. And because of the size and mass of the proposed addition, in my view it can only be successful as an exact Château style addition. Nothing less.
I completely wholeheartedly agree. Imagine a modern juxtaposed annex to the Chateau Frontenac? The Chateau Lake Louise? The Banff Springs Hotel? This is unprecedented, none of the great railroad hotels has received a modern annex...because it would look ridiculous. I am so pissed off about this whole situation.
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Other than the Parliament Buildings themselves, this is the next most iconic building in Ottawa. Any addition must meet this high standard.
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Château Laurier design team ready to reveal updated expansion plans

Vito Pilieci, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: November 14, 2016 | Last Updated: November 14, 2016 7:32 PM EST


The design team working on a new expansion for the historic Fairmont Château Laurier is ready to reveal new expansion plans for the iconic building after a first submission drew widespread criticism from Ottawa residents.

The first set of plans for the hotel featured two box-shaped modern additions made of stone and steel, and many felt it stood in stark contrast with the character of the Château.

The building, which features an architectural style echoing French châteaus of the 16th and 17th centuries, has been a cherished icon since the hotel first opened its doors in 1912.

Today, the Fairmont Château Laurier is federally recognized as a National Historic Site of Canada and is designated as a heritage building under Part IV of the Ontario Heritage Act.

The hotel is owned by the Capital Hotel Limited Partnership. The partnership is being represented by Larco Investments Ltd. during the expansion planning process. The owners have repeatedly expressed their desire to add more modern or “contemporary” design elements to the building through the new addition.

The addition will include building new long-term-stay suites, creating a new courtyard and replacing an aging five-storey parking lot with new underground parking that would provide hotel guests and the public at large with approximately 100 additional spaces.

The original plans revealed in September were universally panned by the public. The plans even attracted the opinion of Ontario’s premier, Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson and several prominent politicians who all waded into the debate and criticized the design.

The submission also raised eyebrows at Heritage Ottawa, which admitted it was concerned the proposed addition to the Fairmont Château Laurier failed to satisfy the Standards and Guidelines for the Conservation of Historic Places in Canada.

The criticism led to a rethinking of the design by the owners, who are now ready to present a new vision for the expansion to the public. The public reveal of the new plans will take place at the Fairmont Château Laurier on Thursday in the Laurier Ballroom at 7 p.m. Registration for the event begins at 6:30 p.m.

However, residents who are expecting drastic changes from the first plan may be in for disappointment. While no one from Larco would reveal any details about the altered plans, a “Frequently Asked Questions” tab on the website where information about the expansion is being disseminated says the designers are still proposing a “modern architectural design” for the new space.

“The addition will offer a modern interpretation of the heritage character of the Château with a vocabulary of Indiana limestone, glass and copper,” it states. “The separated wings, massing and set-back upper floors are compatible with the Château’s existing roofscape silhouette, and provides a dignified and deferential response to this iconic building.”

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