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I hope that they’re both landmarked. The Roosevelt is a beautiful building.

If they’re landmarked, could their air rights be sold? That could result in some massive new towers.
JMKeynes.. I agree 100%.. The Roosevelt Hotel should be landmarked.. sell the air rights to an adjacent lot!
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JMKeynes.. I agree 100%.. The Roosevelt Hotel should be landmarked.. sell the air rights to an adjacent lot!
It's a gorgeous building, and there's tons of crap that can be developed. Also, I wouldn't want to see this stretch of Madison to be all new buildings anyway.

This piece of junk, for example, should go.



Same with 340 Madison. It’s not as terrible as it used to be in light of its facelift from about ten or fifteen years ago, but I’d shed no tears if it’s razed and replaced with a 1,200’ tower.

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Speaking of this area, what's the building in between the USPS building and 175 park avenue? And any chance that could be redeveloped?
The Graybar Building - it's landmarked.
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The Graybar Building - it's landmarked.
And it’s gorgeous. The Lincoln Building on 42nd St is gorgeous too.
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The problem with this building is it’s location. Yes, it was in fact a part of the original Terminal City. Which is exactly why it’s such a prime candidate now for the building of the modern “Terminal City”, as we are witnessing.

The other issue is that simply being “old” is not enough to landmark a building. Otherwise, all of New York City would be landmarked. This building, more than 250 Park, is sooner to be redeveloped. If you listened to the owner’s testimony on the previous page, you can see why 250 Park, though nice, likely won’t be landmarked either.
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Inside the push to landmark the beleaguered Roosevelt Hotel

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January 20, 2022


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The historic Roosevelt Hotel, shuttered since December 2020, looks desolate and forgotten to the untrained eye.

But beneath the boarded-up windows and behind the homeless New Yorkers taking shelter under its awnings lay layers of international legal disputes, a souring relationship with the city’s hotel union and a push from local officials to win landmark status for the site.

Amid concerns that the building at East 45th Street will be converted to another use by its current owners, Pakistan International Airlines, City Councilman Keith Powers—along with Manhattan Borough President Mark Levine, state Sen. Brad Hoylman and Assemblyman Richard Gottfriend—is calling on the city to landmark the hotel so that it can’t be torn down or altered in any significant way, according to a letter obtained by Crain’s.
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”As one of Manhattan’s only major hotels that has not yet even partially reopened since the start of the Covid-19 pandemic, we are concerned that its future may be in jeopardy,” Powers wrote in his missive, addressed to Sarah Carroll, chairwoman of the city Landmarks Preservation Commission.

The property’s owners are also involved in a dispute with the Hotel Trades Council for failing to comply with the city’s new severance law, which requires any hotel that had not opened as of Nov. 1 to pay its workers $500 per week in severance.

As of Jan. 20, the building had accumulated $7 million in unpaid severance fees, the HTC claims, and is in a dispute with the owners over the unpaid sum and for failing to pay withdrawal liabilities under its union contract with the employees. The owners are suing the city over the law to avoid liability for the severance law.
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But the law contains an exception for inns that are being converted to another use. To help the hotel’s former staff keep their jobs and their severance payments, the HTC would like the building to achieve landmark status and remain a hotel, it said.

“The Roosevelt is an iconic hotel that should reopen and remain the fixture it has been for generations,” HTC President Richard Maroko said.

The 1,013-room building’s issues reach deeper than scuffles with local interests.

The Pakistani government, which runs the airline, is battling over the property in U.S. District Court in Manhattan—and in international court in the British Virgin Islands—with Australian mining company Tethyan Copper.

Pakistan is alleged to have reneged on a mineral-rights deal with Tethyan in the Balochistan region. As part of a $6 billion award granted to the mining company, Tethyan wants to get its hands on the property, according to court documents.
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The hotel has been struggling since it was acquired by the airline. During the first 16 years of its ownership of the property, it lost at least $70 million because the hotel was desperately in need of renovations.

But even after a nearly $100 million revamp helped the property become profitable, the Pakistani government debated shedding the property to help its struggling airline.

Local developers have been eyeing the site for a potential office project—one that would span an entire city block and could be built much taller than the building’s current 16 stories.



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Roosevelt Hotel: Inter-ministerial body being revived to sort out issues


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19 Jan, 2022


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The federal government is to revive inter-ministerial committee headed by Deputy Chairman Planning Commission to prepare recommendations for resolution of administrative and financial issues of PIA’s Roosevelt Hotel, New York.

… The ECC approved recommendations of the committee in its meetings held on September 2, 2020 & June 16, 2021. Hence, the committee ceased to exist after completion of its task.

Subsequently, a meeting was held under the chairmanship of the Adviser to the Prime Minister on Finance and Revenue (now Finance Minister) on November 16, 2021 to discuss prevailing issue/challenges of RHC. The MD PIA-IL while highlighting the issues requested the Chairman ECC for constitution of a committee with clear mandate to deliberate on RHC matters from time to time. Taking the delicacy of the said proposal, it was decided to constitute the proposed committee.
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During a high level meeting, presided over by the then Finance Advisor held on November 16, 2021 with regards to proposed designation of Roosevelt as Landmark, participants were apprised that PIA-IL had received three emails from IHR, the Management Company of Roosevelt, that Community Board 5 (CB5) Landmarks Committee, New York, was considering a request for evaluation for landmark designation of Roosevelt. In this regard, meetings of CB5 were schedule on November 30, 2021, and December 9, 2021, and thereafter recommendations would be submitted to Landmark Preservation Commission by CB5.

Participants’ attention was drawn to the meeting held on August 24, 2021, and chaired by the Finance Minister, wherein, among others, following decisions were taken: (i) as PIA-IL has no in-house expertise, therefore, a Technical Advisor/Consultant needs to be appointed who would vet the ToRs of the Financial Advisor by Privatization Commission and evaluate the feasibility report without explicitly referring RHC; and (ii) present scope of privatisation, ie, leasing out RHC site as approved by ECC needs to be extended to have more options, ie, RHC site may be leased/disposed-off as is and where is basis and demolition of present building of RHC and its reconstruction through joint venture project for mixed use development, ie, office and retail.

The Minister for Finance desired an update on the decisions, to which Secretary Privatisation Commission (PC) apprised the participants that the Cabinet Committee on Privatisation (CCoP) at its meeting held on November 15, 2019 on a summary moved by Aviation Division had approved constitution of a Task Force for framing Terms of Reference (ToRs) for leasing the Roosevelt’s site for setting up a Joint Venture Project.
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Regarding the decision pertaining to the Furniture, Fixture and Equipment (FF&E) of the Roosevelt, the participants decided that the Committee constituted by ECC in the past on the Roosevelt under the Chairmanship of Dy Chairman, Planning Commission, and comprising of secretaries Aviation, Finance and Law be revived and entrusted to deliberate on FR&E or any other matter(s), and submit its recommendations to the Competent Authority at the earliest.
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This is a beautiful building that should be restored. There's tons of crap on Park that can be redeveloped.

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This is a beautiful building that should be restored. There's tons of crap on Park that can be redeveloped.

I've made my opinion well known on the Roosevelt Hotel.

It should ABSOLUTELY be Landmarked and saved from the wrecking ball!

It is Classic NYC and i hope the push to save it is successful!
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This is a beautiful building that should be restored. There's tons of crap on Park that can be redeveloped.

Spoken like a true preservationist! You’d demolish half the blocks of Manhattan if you could, many with more significance to the fabric of the city than this hotel.

Be that as it may, buildings don’t get landmarked because they’re old (Manhattan is covered block to block, wall to wall in old buildings). And you can’t landmark a hotel into existence. If anything, it woukd be a conversion into “billionaire” condos like the Waldorf.

But the old days of the original Terminal City are way behind us. The new version, with its great transit connections serving commuters rather than distant travelers, is more suited to the commercial hub that is midtown east. And the new LIRR terminal below is a testament to that. And yet, if we want to freeze New York at a moment in time when it was something else, why stop there? The old Commodore hasn’t been demolished yet, and can be restored. Let’s keep the charade going a little longer.
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I think that most NY buildings are great. Crap like this, however, I’d opt to raze ASAP.



The Roosevelt, by contrast, is a beautiful building.
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LOL. Good luck with that, NIMBYs.

Landmarks already reviewed this site during the Grand Central rezoning and formally rejected it. Not a landmark.
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LOL. Good luck with that, NIMBYs.

Landmarks already reviewed this site during the Grand Central rezoning and formally rejected it. Not a landmark.
Good! Time for something new and relevant there!
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Good! Time for something new and relevant there!
Yes, the time has come to build a 100-story tower that can become New York's new focal point.
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Yes, the time has come to build a 100-story tower that can become New York's new focal point.
Stories ≠ height or size. Floor size can change wildly between different buildings. Shangai tower only has 26 more floors than the Empire State Building, despite being 619 ft taller. and etc.
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Yale Club landmark designation...
http://s-media.nyc.gov/agencies/lpc/lp/2579.pdf



JANUARY 28, 2022


Located on the block south of the Roosevelt, this building stands next to the developing 343 Madison Avenue.













The Roosevelt Hotel, currently still closed and battling the city in a lawsuit, (among other lawsuits), will likely be redeveloped into a mixed-use skyscraper.























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What a lovely and well-preserved hotel from the first terminal city. Unlike the poor Commodore or Pennsylvania this one has survived the ages relatively unscathed. I hope the preservation commission makes the call to landmark it. If we keep destroying old hotels at this rate we won't have any big ones left!
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The Roosevelt is toast. The Landmarks Committee has repeatedly reviewed it, and found it to not be landmark-worthy. The interior was gutted. And the exterior wasn't found to be notable.

NYC has a crapload of big, old prewar hotels. There's no danger of them all disappearing, especially because so many are already landmarked.
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The Roosevelt is toast. The Landmarks Committee has repeatedly reviewed it, and found it to not meet the rules for landmarks. For one, it's gutted inside.
It's gutted? Which part? Last I saw the lobby was perfectly intact and there was no construction on the site. I could've missed some news, though.
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It's gutted? Which part? Last I saw the lobby was perfectly intact and there was no construction on the site. I could've missed some news, though.
The interior is unoriginal. It was repeatedly altered, and there is no argument for landmarking.
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The interior is unoriginal. It was repeatedly altered, and there is no argument for landmarking.
Based on all the photos I see the lobby is untouched. It seems like one of the only prewar hotels that actually does have a relatively unscathed lobby.
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