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Originally Posted by Orlando
I figured as much that you lived in sprawltopia, ie. Lehi, Draper, etc. That's awesome that you lived next to transit line. But, unfortunately, much of that development out there is still based on a very car-centric mindset.
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You figured? I have a family and grew up in Utah County, where the hell else ought I to live?
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Originally Posted by Orlando
You live in Lehi for the jobs in Thanksgiving Point. So, of course it doesn't make sense that you commute to downtown. What I'm arguing is that there is no central consensus or still a very backwards sprawl mindset of Utahns versus the more urban Salt Lakers, who seem to understand the problems of sprawl.
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Actually, I lived in Orem and now Lindon while most of Lehi was just farmland. My payroll company chose Lehi because it offered a central location between Utah and SL counties for our clients. Downtown, no matter how ideal a notion to pack all business into a central downtown core, would not have been a good fit for our workers or clients.
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Originally Posted by Orlando
Lehi has no real masterplan for office buildings and mixed-use development to not be car-dependent. There is no incentive to not be car-centered and therefore there really isn't much to curb the trend to sprawl out as far as cheap land is allowed to be developed on despite the fact that it further exacerbates infrastructure , ir. roads, sewer, utility issues.
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I agree, Thanksgiving Point is a hodge-podge mess of businesses, restuarants and retail bisected by unwalkable and unpassable freeways and road corridors.
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Originally Posted by Orlando
his is in complete contrast to Portland and Seattle, where new road construction is frowned upon and new mass transit is highly encouraged. Tighter, denser, walkable, and more vibrant urban development is therefore encouraged up here.
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Well, 95% of US cities resemble the growth and sprawl of SLC than they do Seattle and Portland. Then again, we don't have anarchists taking over our cities either.
Btw, my father lived in Seattle for twenty years. City is fantastic if you can afford to live in the "walkable" older areas. Otherwise, the traffic in Seattle, cars, and congestion is much worse than SLC.
Can't go back Orlando, we can only go forward. The best we can do now is try make the sprawlopia of Utah denser and more urban...which is what I think planners are trying to do. Light rail has gone in, higher density housing is going in around the light rail nodes. It will take time. I have never, not even remotely liked or agreed with the car-centric and sprawl planning, but here it is and what can we do?
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