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Originally Posted by Truenorth00
People charging while getting groceries. Imagine that.
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Got to love the Straw man comments. No one here said people wouldn't charge while getting groceries if charging was available. If I was shopping at the new Metro on Eagleson, I would plug in and get some free electrons. However, even though it is only 9 km away, it wouldn't be worth the detour, even if I couldn't charge at home. With 6.6kW charging and an assumed vehicle efficiency of 5 km/kWh (about average) you are only going to get about 17km of charge in 30 minutes or 25km in 45 minutes.
Even if it was your closest grocery store and you did two, 45 minute shopping trips, you would only be gaining about 50 km a week of charge, so you will almost definitely have to find somewhere else to charge.
Can you live with a BEV without charging at home? Yes,
CyrusKafaiwu is proof of that, but even he admits that life would be much easier if he could, so that should be our long term objective.
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Originally Posted by Truenorth00
As an effort to reduce GHG emissions, EV rebates are a joke. There's plenty of better ways to spend that money. As political greenwashing and vote buying? Highly effective.
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I look it as being similar to the rebates on LED bulbs before they came down in price. It helped people start buying them sooner. Now LEDs are only slightly more expensive than incandescent bulbs.
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The rebates are going to become more politically precarious as the number of models on the market goes up in the next two years and rebate claims skyrocket. They should have been smart and created a drawdown schedule that takes into account declining battery prices. Assuming the forecasts are right and BEVs hit our purchase price parity in 2025, there's no need for rebates after that. They should start reducing the rebate by $1000 per year.
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I agree that once BEVs reach purchase price parody (they are already cheaper in long term operating costs), the rebates will no longer be necessary. That cost parody may not be equal across the board though. It is much easier to reach cost parody on an expensive SUV and an affordable economy car, so we may need to slide the threshold down to allow a subsidy on affordable cars but not on more expensive ones.
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And yeah, eventually, we are going to have to discuss how roads are going to be funded with declining fuel tax revenue. Maybe a fixed charge by vehicle size. The average personal vehicle with average mileage is probably paying $300-400 in provincial and federal fuel excise taxes. And about the same in sales taxes on their fuel. Maybe tacking on $400 to annual registration of an EV is a fair way to go about it.
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First of all, road funding is not correlated to fuel taxes. The vast majority of roads are paid for by the municipal governments, who don't receive any fuel tax revenue.
The federal government funds very few roads (just a few parkways here and there), so the vast majority of the federal excise tax is used to pay for other services not related to driving. Sure that revenue will need to be made up somewhere, but it there is no need for it to come from vehicles.
The Carbon tax was created to try and reduce carbon emissions and gets fed back to the taxpayers, so there is no need to replace it.
HST is charged on both fuel and electricity, so it isn't relevant. It is true you will likely spend less to charge a car than to fill it with gas, so less income will be generated, but it is going into general revenue, and there is no traceability to show that it came from vehicles.
Only the Ontario Fuel Tax could even closely be considered related to road funding (though AFAIK it actually goes into general revenue). The thing is, the province only pays for provincial highway maintenance, and the have been offloading them to the municipalities when they can (I'm looking at you Hwy 174).
Assuming the money from the Ontario Fuel Tax does all go towards funding highways, you are over estimating how much the average person (vehicle) is paying. The average vehicle in Ontario travels 16,000 km per year
ref. The vehicles in Canada use an average of 8.9 l/100km of gasoline
ref, so the average vehicle uses 1424 l of gas per year. The Ontario Fuel Tax is set at 14.7¢ per litre of unleaded gasoline
ref, so that works out to an average of $209.33 per year, not $300-400.
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