HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > Buildings & Architecture > Completed Project Threads Archive


    One Vanderbilt in the SkyscraperPage Database

Building Data Page   • Comparison Diagram   • New York Skyscraper Diagram

Map Location
New York Projects & Construction Forum

 

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #1321  
Old Posted Dec 4, 2015, 7:41 PM
patriotizzy's Avatar
patriotizzy patriotizzy is offline
Metal Up Your !
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 1,585
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayden View Post
Those renderings are phenomenal.

This might rival the ESB and 1WTC in becoming the most iconic building.
lololol no. ESB will forever be NYC's icon building, whether it's surpassed by height or not.

As for this building, it will look phenomenal!
     
     
  #1322  
Old Posted Dec 4, 2015, 7:54 PM
Sky88's Avatar
Sky88 Sky88 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 311
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankeesfan1000 View Post
And to think something of similar height could rise just next door...
Maybe on the 335 Madison Avenue site, the developer Howard Milsteinon plans to build something bigger than Vanderbuilt tower.
I imagined how this tower could be such near of the Vanderbuilt project.

     
     
  #1323  
Old Posted Dec 4, 2015, 8:09 PM
Doctorboffin Doctorboffin is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Milwaukee
Posts: 326
^ Is that a serious rendering? That must be 2000+ feet!
     
     
  #1324  
Old Posted Dec 4, 2015, 8:11 PM
chris08876's Avatar
chris08876 chris08876 is online now
ψ Sailor of the Mind ψ
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Riverview Estates Fairway (PA)
Posts: 37,921
Its from his imagination I presume. Hopefully, any future tower that would rise near it would be that height.

Mega tall needs to be the next milestone.
     
     
  #1325  
Old Posted Dec 4, 2015, 8:30 PM
Sky88's Avatar
Sky88 Sky88 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 311
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctorboffin View Post
^ Is that a serious rendering? That must be 2000+ feet!
No, this is just my imaginary proposal of a 600 meters tower.
     
     
  #1326  
Old Posted Dec 4, 2015, 8:37 PM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is offline
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 46,861
Quote:
Originally Posted by patriotizzy View Post
lololol no. ESB will forever be NYC's icon building, whether it's surpassed by height or not.
It will certainly be one of the great icons, it's the grandaddy of all supertalls. But as we speak, new generations are growing that don't know if from its dominating days. With each new day, that grows less and less.



Quote:
Originally Posted by chris08876 View Post
Hopefully, any future tower that would rise near it would be that height.
All of the close rezoned sites will have the same FAR, with each being basically the same lot size. Perhaps if some of Grand Central's air rights can be stacked on top you could get something taller. There are also new ideas brewing in the overall midtown east rezoning (to come next year) that could allow for landmark air rights transfers accross the district, meaning some could come from St. Patrick's. But I don't think it needs a taller tower next door.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Submariner View Post
I'm surprised there haven't been more announcements on the parcels to the north of this site.
There have been developments in the works...

341 Madison
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show....php?p=6875557


335 Madison
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=215951



I think these renders are worthy of a collage...


__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
     
     
  #1327  
Old Posted Dec 4, 2015, 8:40 PM
chris08876's Avatar
chris08876 chris08876 is online now
ψ Sailor of the Mind ψ
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Riverview Estates Fairway (PA)
Posts: 37,921
I agree. If they use the untapped air rights, it could very well be. St. Patricks alone holds enough for a monstrous tower if the right parcels are bought and litigation is made.

I'm sure as the Midtown E. plan is tweaked, it would allow for such transfers. The city needs more class-A space, and thats one way of meeting it.
     
     
  #1328  
Old Posted Dec 4, 2015, 8:53 PM
The North One's Avatar
The North One The North One is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 4,993
Hmmm, did they change the proportions of the crown? It looks different in those renders.

It's starting to grow on me.
__________________
Spawn of questionable parentage!
     
     
  #1329  
Old Posted Dec 4, 2015, 9:06 PM
colemonkee's Avatar
colemonkee colemonkee is offline
Ridin' into the sunset
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 8,118
For people born prior to this building's completion, you're definitely right: ESB will always be the defining tower of NY. It's just ingrained in the image of NY (the name helps as well). But for people born after this tower is built, I think this one will slowly take over that iconic spot, provided nothing larger is built in a short window of time after (or at the same time ala ESB and Chrysler). So 25-30 years after this gets completed, it likely might become the symbol of NY. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by patriotizzy View Post
lololol no. ESB will forever be NYC's icon building, whether it's surpassed by height or not.

As for this building, it will look phenomenal!
__________________
"Then each time Fleetwood would be not so much overcome by remorse as bedazzled at having been shown the secret backlands of wealth, and how sooner or later it depended on some act of murder, seldom limited to once."

Against the Day, Thomas Pynchon
     
     
  #1330  
Old Posted Dec 4, 2015, 9:20 PM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is offline
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 46,861
^ I just don't know if we'll ever get a single building that will be as much a symbol of New York as the ESB was. There are just so many towers going up right now, all in the basic same range (1,100-1,500 ft). I think you would have to build a 2,000 ft or more tower to achieve that. They'll all be looming icons of the city of supertalls.

One thing that strikes me, looking at the renders, is that this building will add another layer of confusion to those who don't know the distinction between the Empire State and the Crhysler Building.











Aahh, if only they could have added 200 ft to the Tower Verre instead of chopping 200 ft off.



Quote:
Originally Posted by The North One View Post
Hmmm, did they change the proportions of the crown? It looks different in those renders.

It's starting to grow on me.

It always seems just a little different to me. But I think a lot has to do with lighting and angles. Here's a look from all sides.


__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
     
     
  #1331  
Old Posted Dec 6, 2015, 12:16 AM
Doctorboffin Doctorboffin is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Milwaukee
Posts: 326
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sky88 View Post
No, this is just my imaginary proposal of a 600 meters tower.
I would kill for something like that to be built. It looks like a more imposing Hudson Yards tower.
     
     
  #1332  
Old Posted Dec 6, 2015, 12:26 AM
aquablue aquablue is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 1,741
Wtc is so staid and boring compared to this. Pity they went so conservative down there because they could have made something iconic like this rather than a bunch of glorified boxes. Anyway, this tower is going to be the icon in my opinion out of this boom.
     
     
  #1333  
Old Posted Dec 6, 2015, 2:43 AM
gramsjdg's Avatar
gramsjdg gramsjdg is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 724
Looks fantastic, but I'm kind of puzzled as to why the observation area is a good 200-250 feet below the roof with a whole lot of empty space in between...
     
     
  #1334  
Old Posted Dec 6, 2015, 3:07 AM
Shwayze1994's Avatar
Shwayze1994 Shwayze1994 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Springfield, Missouri
Posts: 222
Im really holding out for the hudson spire site to give us something incredible.
     
     
  #1335  
Old Posted Dec 6, 2015, 4:36 AM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is offline
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 46,861
Quote:
Originally Posted by gramsjdg View Post
Looks fantastic, but I'm kind of puzzled as to why the observation area is a good 200-250 feet below the roof with a whole lot of empty space in between...
The obeservation deck itself is still a work in progress. It will be multiple levels. But as I mentioned earlier, they could have just topped the building off with the office space. Everything else is because the developer specifically wanted a skyline icon.


http://www.6sqft.com/wp-content/uplo...L-Greene-6.jpg



Quote:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...379690350.html

SL Green's Dreams of Development

By LAURA KUSISTO and ELIOT BROWN
June 3, 2012


SL Green Realty Corp., New York's largest office building owner but a relatively untested developer of new buildings, has taken a step forward in its ambitious plans to build a trophy office tower across the street from Grand Central Terminal. SL Green has brought in one of the country's most prominent office developers, Hines of Houston, Texas, to act as a consultant on the 1.2 million-square-foot project. The team is in the preliminary stages of drawing up plans for the block-long site on Madison Avenue between 42nd and 43rd streets, according to people familiar with the matter.

...SL Green executives clearly want to move forward. According to the transcript of an investor conference in December, Edward Piccinich, SL Green's executive vice president of property management and construction, said the company plans to build "a spectacular trophy asset with designs inspiration from around the world," drawing on iconic modern towers such as the Burj Khalifa in Dubai and the International Commerce Centre tower in Hong Kong.

"I imagined how the lines and the curves of these designs will make a huge impact on the city skyline. I thought about how great it would be [to] construct one of these tower[s] over Grand Central Terminal," Mr. Piccinich said.


While SL Green owns more than 25 million square feet of office space in the city, most of its development experience has been with overhauling existing office buildings. Development of new buildings "is not in their DNA," says Michael Knott, an analyst at Green Street Advisors. "I don't think that they have an intention to dive headlong into ground-up development. It's more of a one-off, once-in-a-lifetime opportunity."


The top of the tower will be something a little similar to the Shanghai Tower...






Early concept sketch...





__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
     
     
  #1336  
Old Posted Dec 6, 2015, 6:13 AM
gramsjdg's Avatar
gramsjdg gramsjdg is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 724
Something like the second drawing's crown observation area is what I would like to see

If applied to the current design height, it would easily be the tallest observation space in the city at well over 1300'
     
     
  #1337  
Old Posted Dec 7, 2015, 12:28 AM
Design-mind's Avatar
Design-mind Design-mind is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 4,653
NYC will have a lot of amazing observation decks!

Empire State
Top of the Rock
One World Trade Center

Coming soon...
Hudson Yards North Tower
1 Vanderbuilt

Am I missing any?
     
     
  #1338  
Old Posted Dec 8, 2015, 12:05 AM
chris08876's Avatar
chris08876 chris08876 is online now
ψ Sailor of the Mind ψ
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Riverview Estates Fairway (PA)
Posts: 37,921
^^^^

Staten Island Wheel. View of the bay will be nice. Not a deck, but its over 600 ft.

Also Statue of Liberty.
     
     
  #1339  
Old Posted Dec 8, 2015, 1:13 PM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is offline
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 46,861
http://www.6sqft.com/skyline-wars-on...e-roof-height/

Skyline Wars: One Vanderbilt and East Midtown Upzoning Are Raising the Roof…Height!

This week Carter brings us the second installment of nine-part series, “Skyline Wars,” which examines the explosive and unprecedented supertall phenomenon that is transforming the city’s silhouette. In this post Carter zooms in on Midtown East and the design of One Vanderbilt, the controversial tower that is being pinned as the catalyst for change in an area that has fallen behind in recent decades.






DECEMBER 7, 2015
BY CARTER B. HORSLEY


Quote:
THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE TOWER AND THE AREA

The banded earthen and glass tower will also be higher than the Empire State Building and most of the large group of supertalls now sprouting in the 57th Street/Central Park South corridor.

SL Green’s website provides the following commentary about its plans for the new development:

One Vanderbilt is an iconic Class A office tower in Midtown Manhattan. The building’s design was to meet today’s market needs, but also address a civic need to strengthen the Midtown Core and the Grand Central District. Formally, the massing is comprised of four interlocking, tapering volumes that spiral up to the sky. This tapered shape creates an elegant proportion sympathetic to the shaft of nearby Chrysler Building. At the base, a series of angled cuts organize a visual procession to Grand Central Terminal, revealing the Vanderbilt corner of its magnificent cornice—a view which has been obstructed for nearly a century.

…The material palette of the design takes cues from the textured, masonry construction typical of the neighborhood—the tower wall consists of a terra cotta spandrel while terra cotta soffits and herringbone flooring are reminiscent of Gustavino tile work. Shading elements enhance environmental performance and add texture to the tower.

…An active urban base makes One Vanderbilt a 21st century successor to Rockefeller Center.

…Following the layered language of such great New York buildings as the Chrysler, the Empire State, and the Woolworth, the top of One Vanderbilt spirals up to a narrow point. A nuanced façade treatment that interplays vertical and diagonal structure against a transparent glass is also pragmatic, offering panoramic views of the city.

Read more in the article link...
__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
     
     
  #1340  
Old Posted Dec 8, 2015, 4:03 PM
MONACO MONACO is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 9
Secretly, this has been my favorite project for a long time. I can't wait to watch this go up.
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
 

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > Buildings & Architecture > Completed Project Threads Archive
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 9:47 PM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.