Did the "California Dream" finally end this week after a long struggle?

[Buckeye Native 001]

Originally Posted by JManc

Needles is by far the greatest city in California.

No, it's (metro) Barstow.

[LA21st]

Catcus city.

[Qubert]

Originally Posted by Bikemike

By inland I am referring to the hinterlands of the state, away from the major coastal metro areas (including Pasadena etc)

I challenge your notion that the California dream as laypeople today use it (people outside of California most importantly) refers to the San Joaquin valley. That’s just untrue boosterism. The SJV is unequivocally considered an armpit locale of second choice.

Lake Tahoe does factor into public consciousness when discussing desirable areas of California.

Stupid question time: Why isn't there a push to build more firebreaks in the forests? I can't imagine why carving 500ft wide vegetation free corridors through some of the most at risk areas would prevent some of these fires from going so out of control.

[jd3189]

Originally Posted by ChrisLA

Ok what else, now we are having an earthquake. I was about getting the family up and run downstairs and go outside in my boxers. We just got in the bed, hopefully no more shaking tonight.

Just remembered my windows shaking a bit more than usual while watching a YouTube video on the meaning of the song "Hotel California".

It's like being always on edge living here. Wildfires, earthquakes, inequality, homelessness, political mismanagement mixed in with the great weather, beautiful scenery, creative/tech economic opportunities, and decent safety net.

And legal weed and soon to be legal psychedelics in the next few years.

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Qubert

Lake Tahoe does factor into public consciousness when discussing desirable areas of California.

Stupid question time: Why isn't there a push to build more firebreaks in the forests? I can't imagine why carving 500ft wide vegetation free corridors through some of the most at risk areas would prevent some of these fires from going so out of control.

It might help stop a front of fire but won't help with spot fires. Even in moderate winds, forest fires spot thousands of feet, sometimes a couple miles away

[Bikemike]

Originally Posted by Qubert

Lake Tahoe does factor into public consciousness when discussing desirable areas of California.

Stupid question time: Why isn't there a push to build more firebreaks in the forests? I can't imagine why carving 500ft wide vegetation free corridors through some of the most at risk areas would prevent some of these fires from going so out of control.

Of course we interior CA has beautiful natural resources. And of course there are nice homes to be found even in the hellhole of Bakersfield; clearly exceptions exist for every situation. But the California dream as it’s commonly known is traditionally predicated on coastal living - LA, SD, S.F. that is fairly obvious.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by Bikemike

Which is why when speaking of the California Dream, one is always referring to just the coastal region, whether or not one realizes it.

The rest of California is highly undesirable, and has never been part of this understanding of the Dream

OMG! The entire northern third of the state is green, lush and beautiful and so are the mountains that run down its eastern edge almost to LA. It's really only the Central Valley and southern desert that's boring and not terribly attractive (except to desert fans and there are some) but even those have their important values for things as diverse as recreation (dune buggies, off-road vehicles) and solar power production on an industrial scale.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by JManc

Needles is by far the greatest city in California.

If you really, really, REALLY like cantaloupe, that might be true. The melons grown in the Colorado valley are spectacular.

[CaliNative]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

OMG! The entire northern third of the state is green, lush and beautiful and so are the mountains that run down its eastern edge almost to LA. It's really only the Central Valley and southern desert that's boring and not terribly attractive (except to desert fans and there are some) but even those have their important values for things as diverse as recreation (dune buggies, off-road vehicles) and solar power production on an industrial scale.

It is possible to like both the deserts and forest landscapes. All kinds of people do. Variety. The mild deserts in winter and forests in summer. Perfect. Col. Laurence when asked why he liked the desert said "because it's clean".

[JManc]

I love the CA desert. Palm Springs area hell even Mojave.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by Bikemike

Which is why when speaking of the California Dream, one is always referring to just the coastal region, whether or not one realizes it.

The rest of California is highly undesirable, and has never been part of this understanding of the Dream

Worthless! For sale cheap to the Canadians or anybody else who wants it:

Yosemite

https://www.thephotoargus.com/yosemite-valley-photos/

Mt. Shasta

https://www.istockphoto.com/photos/m...rt=mostpopular

Lake Tahoe

https://www.planetware.com/californi...-us-ca-550.htm

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by JManc

I love . . . Mojave.

The town or the desert?

The town always seemed to me like a collection of gas stations and now it's bypassed completely by highway 58.

As for the desert, I much prefer the Sonoran Desert to the Mojave. It has much more plant and animal diversity.

[Centropolis]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

The town or the desert?

The town always seemed to me like a collection of gas stations and now it's bypassed completely by highway 58.

As for the desert, I much prefer the Sonoran Desert to the Mojave. It has much more plant and animal diversity.

yeah i’ve been to mojave the town lol

[Stay Stoked Brah]

I'm so stoked on the up coming winter season! Bring back the spring of 2019 when the same burned up areas were buried in record snow depth. So stoked to wax up the dusty board.

[urbanadvocate]

The discussion of the coast really being the dream of California really depends on who you ask. Yes the coast is the stereotypical dream of California but for many the dream does indeed lie in the Central Valley. Many immigrants, Punjabis and Latinos come to mind, found their dream in owning and farming land. For Punjabis the CV was reminiscient of their homeland. The Central Valley has a greater population than most states, albeit most of this is in the Sacramento Valley and not the SJV.

[TWAK]

Originally Posted by Qubert

Lake Tahoe does factor into public consciousness when discussing desirable areas of California.

Make lakes great again!

Stupid question time: Why isn't there a push to build more firebreaks in the forests? I can't imagine why carving 500ft wide vegetation free corridors through some of the most at risk areas would prevent some of these fires from going so out of control.

Cal fire and PG&E have made more here, meanwhile Napa county still have trees all over their power poles. Freaking idiots.

Originally Posted by urbanadvocate

The discussion of the coast really being the dream of California really depends on who you ask. Yes the coast is the stereotypical dream of California but for many the dream does indeed lie in the Central Valley. Many immigrants, Punjabis and Latinos come to mind, found their dream in owning and farming land. For Punjabis the CV was reminiscient of their homeland. The Central Valley has a greater population than most states, albeit most of this is in the Sacramento Valley and not the SJV.

My interpretation was always the ability to go to whatever climate or "natural setting" that you so desire.
Oh, and So Cal is great to visit but never live there hahahahahah. Pretty sure they say the same?