noirish Los Angeles

[ethereal_reality]

That's quite an obscure piece of information. Good find BRR!
I bet a few silent film historians might not even know this.

[Beaudry]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

This undated photo looks SW at what would eventually become (from left to right) 245 (partial), 241, and
237-39 SBH. The porch over the front door of 241 isn't on the 1888 Sanborn, nor is the addition in the rear
of 237-39. However, both are on the 1894 Sanborn, so perhaps this photo is from around then. Can anyone
identify the structure in the distance to the right of 237-239 SBH? It almost looks like a trestle. Also, there
appears to be a street above the mystery structure, but I cannot identify that either:

00060250 @ LA Public Library



Looking north on Hope Street on February 1, 1959, we see in the center the large, beige south side of
255-59 South Bunker Hill, on the NW corner of 3rd Street. The white, multi-storied structure behind it
is the Earlcliff, 231 SBH:

411340 @ Huntington Digital Library

Ummmmm yeah. I'll join in and just say jeepers, of course I love this post. And the comments after it, so I'll add a couple pix myself. Referencing the two images I plucked out, above, 237-9, and Hope St., here are a couple from Nadel at the Getty—


Getty/Nadel/CRA/HousingandStreetConditions1955October31/237SBHA

This one I thought germane to the topic of the sticking-out-stairway: you won't hit it while drunk, they put up a couple handy striped wooden rails!

Getty/Nadel/CRA/HousingandStreetConditions1955October31/2ndandHope
(a detail of from this)

[Beaudry]

Thought I'd add this to the going, going, gone: looking at that corner September 30, 1955—note how in the third photo the cars are parked where the Alta Vista used to stand. 251 sure got a lot more sunlight for the few years it had left.


nadel again, CRA/slums/1955Sept30/255SBHA

hunt

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

Here are, from left to right, 251, 245, and 241 SBH in 1962 or 1964. I believe the gray car at left is a
1955 Austin:

408099 @ Huntington Digital Library

By the time this photo was taken on June 10, 1966, 245 South Bunker Hill was the only house remaining on the
west side of the street:

408136 @ Huntington Digital Library

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

Can anyone identify the structure in the distance to the right of 237-239 SBH? It almost looks like a trestle. Also, there
appears to be a street above the mystery structure, but I cannot identify that either:

00060250 @ LA Public Library

FW, you're talking about this structure correct? (red arrow below)


detail

The only thing I can come up with is the back of a very large billboard. .....or back of the Intolerance set

When did the Los Angeles Examiner start putting up their over-sized signs?
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[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

FW, you're talking about this structure correct? (red arrow below)


detail

The only thing I can come up with is the back of a very large billboard. .....or back of the Intolerance set

When did the Los Angeles Examiner start putting up their over-sized signs?
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Yes, that's it. If it's a building, it seems like a large one for that time and place.

# # #

Nice work by Beaudry to find the other South Bunker Hill Avenue photos, especially the one of the Alta Vista!
Also thanks to Hoss for the aerial.

[Bristolian]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Here's a rather noirish looking photograph of the murder scene.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...rror/page/601/

Why the large monument-like street marker? -this looks more like a border marker.

E.R.: I grew up in Manhattan beach and these were pretty common at smaller intersections there in the '60s, especially in the tree section. I think the perspective is making this one appear bigger than it actually was. As I remember, they were about three or four feet tall. They're all gone now as far as I know but they were made of reenforced concrete, painted white and had the street names stenciled on them. Pretty crude, come to think of it. They're one of those things you don't think much of at the time but seem kind of fascinating now that they're just a memory.

[jtown]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Two women standing in a vegetable garden at 1314 W. 36th Place, Los Angeles. [ca.1908]


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1908-Women-G...wAAOSwFqJWm~GC

I believe the school building behind them is now gone.

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I know this place! Assuming the address is correct, the street behind these two women is Raymond Avenue which runs north and south and T's into 36th Place. That school building pictured here was likely replaced by what would later be my own elementary school, the 37th Street School. It is now called the "Lenicia Weems Elementary School."

The garden upon which the women are standing would later become the property of the Senshin Buddhist Temple. The temple, established in the 1950's continues to be a cultural and religious landmark for the Japanese American community in Los Angeles. This area was once known in the JA community as the Seinan district (translated Westside). It was one of the few places that permitted Japanese to rent or purchase homes post WW2.

[HenryHuntington]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

This negative is for sale on eBay.

"Penny Edwards & Mayor Bowron June 25 Ribbon cutting ceremonies, Ave. 57 & N. Fig."


http://www.ebay.com/itm/PENNY-EDWARD...UAAOSwJkJWhucM

I'm not sure why they're cutting a ribbon at this location.

March 17, 1948

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PENNY-EDWARD...UAAOSwJkJWhucM
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I suspect the location was chosen because it was a major shopping district on the line.

The occasion was the inauguration of service on LATL's motor coach Line 25 on this date. The line ran from Colorado and Eagle Rock Blvds. to DTLA. As the Colorado Blvd. portion of the route duplicated rail service provided by the 5 Line, the latter was cut back from Townsend Ave. to Eagle Rock Blvd. also effective on this date.

A map that shows these routes and others in northeast Los Angeles can be found here:

http://www.chicagorailfan.com/los54tne.html

[Noircitydame]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I don't recall ever seeing this photograph of Marilyn Monroe.

"The first professional modeling photographs of Norma Jean in 1945."


https://www.pinterest.com/pin/406801778818493389/

So where is she?

Obviously she's high up in the Pacific Palisades, but is she at a private residence or in Palisades Park?

By chance I came across the same photo used for the cover of the pinup magazine LAFF for June 1946.

ebay

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/30/us...-officers.html



The policemen stopped Mason " about an hour and a half later", after the rape, so what was he doing for an hour and a half between the two points?
I bet if one delved a bit deeper, you'd find a bar he stopped at.

-perhaps that's why he ran that red light at Rosecrans & Sepulveda. He was tipsy.
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More details on this case.

http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories...l#.Vqn5p_krKWg

http://www.officialcoldcaseinvestiga...GUNDO-OFFICERS

How he was finally arrested in 2003:

Police located Mason, who had returned to and was still living in his hometown of Columbia, South Carolina. He was a wealthy retiree and a grandfather, quietly living with his family in a suburban neighborhood. Then, in January 2003, a large group of police officers called at his door. Mason was completely shocked and had asked where they were from. The police officers had said, "We are from the El Segundo Police Department," and the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. Mason then said, "You're homicide detectives? I think I need a lawyer." The police officers then told him that they were there because of the murder of two police officers in 1957. Horrified, Mason responded, "You're here for that?"

[HossC]

As soon as I read the first link a couple of days ago, I knew I'd seen the story somewhere before. The case of Gerald Mason and the 1957 murders was the subject of an episode of 'Forensic Files' which I saw a couple of years ago. You can see the reenactment segment from the show on Vimeo. According to the Wikipedia page on Gerald Mason, '48 Hours Mystery' and 'Murder Book' also covered the story.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

Can anyone identify the structure in the distance to the right of 237-239 SBH? It almost looks like a trestle. Also, there appears to be a street above the mystery structure, but I cannot identify that either:

00060250 @ LA Public Library

LAPL date their shot as circa 1890. Here's part of an 1894 map which Diamond-X linked to recently. The only possible structure I can see is the one I've arrowed at the corner of Third and Beaudry. There's nothing at that location on the 1910 Baist map, and the nearby Magalia Apartments at 1010 W 3rd Street don't appear in the CDs until 1910. The "street above the mystery structure" could be Crown Hill Avenue, now part of W 3rd Street.
For reference: Bunker Hill Avenue is in the middle of the right-hand side, and #24 in the center is the Fremont Avenue School.


Detail of map at Library of Congress

[alester young]

[QUOTE=Beaudry;7315616]Thought I'd add this to the going, going, gone: looking at that corner September 30, 1955—note how in the third photo the cars are parked where the Alta Vista used to stand. 251 sure got a lot more sunlight for the few years it had left.


nadel again, CRA/slums/1955Sept30/255SBHA

Alta Vista Hotel and Apartments - home of John Fante and as described in Ask The Dust.

[oldstuff]

Originally Posted by jtown

I know this place! Assuming the address is correct, the street behind these two women is Raymond Avenue which runs north and south and T's into 36th Place. That school building pictured here was likely replaced by what would later be my own elementary school, the 37th Street School. It is now called the "Lenicia Weems Elementary School."

The garden upon which the women are standing would later become the property of the Senshin Buddhist Temple. The temple, established in the 1950's continues to be a cultural and religious landmark for the Japanese American community in Los Angeles. This area was once known in the JA community as the Seinan district (translated Westside). It was one of the few places that permitted Japanese to rent or purchase homes post WW2.

There is a picture which can be located here:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/2634926...-on-porch-1314
which shows a family on the porch of the house located at this address

[HossC]

Here's the picture which oldstuff found:

"Vintage photo 1908 Family on Porch 1314 W 36th Place Los Angeles"


www.etsy.com

[oldstuff]

There is a listing in the 1888 and 1890 directories for Frederick William Sparr at 117 S. Bunker Hill. He was listed as being a cabinetmaker in 1890. He is listed at 221 S. Bunker Hill in 1894 and is shown to be retired. Mr. Sparr was born in Germany (Prussia) in about 1824. He appears in a voter registration in Los Angeles in 1884. He is found in the 1870 census in Kansas, with a wife May (or Mary). He is seen as early as 1850 in the census in Ohio

[oldstuff]

Originally Posted by HossC

Here's the picture which oldstuff found:

"Vintage photo 1908 Family on Porch 1314 W 36th Place Los Angeles"


www.etsy.com

The back of the photos says "Laura, Chas, Ada and Mrs Siffiger"

I can't find them in any census. I do find a notation with the assessor's office that the house was built in 1907, so it was a new place in 1908. A Google street search does not show the house, although the assessor has it listed as still being there (somewhere) Maybe it is under the other building on the site somewhere.

[Earl Boebert]

Not a building, but noirish to the max:

http://unframed.lacma.org/2016/01/26...ntic-zoot-suit

Cheers,

Earl

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert

Not a building, but noirish to the max:

http://unframed.lacma.org/2016/01/26...ntic-zoot-suit

Cheers,

Earl

I don't think the picture has to be a building to be noirish.

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by HossC

Here's the picture which oldstuff found:

"Vintage photo 1908 Family on Porch 1314 W 36th Place Los Angeles"


www.etsy.com

LAT Nov 20, 1922


The Charles may be Charles Kuhnen Jr (27 y.o. in 1910) who lived here from before 1908. He and his parents were listed at 1314 W 39th St in 1906, when West 36th Place was West 39th St, as can been on, for example, a 1906 streetcar map available online. Charles and/or his father developed their own small tract --originally 8 lots--at the SW Raymond/36th Place corner. In the 1923 CD, after the auction in the illustration, Charles Sr was still listed there; Jr was at 1528 W 17th. Two years alter, Sr was next door to his son at 1530 W 17th. Both addresses appear to be gone now...


PS...an item from the Herald of May 19, 1914: