NEW YORK | 432 Park Avenue (Drake Hotel dev.) | (1,396) FT / 432 M | 89 FLOORS

[lio45]

Out of curiosity, anyone happens to know how expensive the tiniest, cheapest, lowest units are?

($7k a square foot = a 10' x 10' room is $700k... but $7k is the average... the less interesting units -- lower, on the less desirable of the four sides, not a corner -- are going to be cheaper than that.)

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Submariner

People worry it wont look tall?

The roof is a little more than 50 feet shy of the top of the ESB's antenna...

Originally Posted by Zapatan

How could a 1400 foot tall, 100 foot wide box NOT look tall?

It's not made up, I have seen people on this forum suggests the tower won't really look tall because of the oversized windows.

Originally Posted by ILNY

This is wide angle distorted image, the tower does not look like that. Second picture posted by hunser is closer to reality. I agree the tower will look TALL. Just look at WTC, 432 Park will be 28ft higher (roof height) and skinnier. It will stand out.

Originally Posted by philopdx

The first image is just as valid of a perspective as the second. Foreshortening makes a tall building look like a freakish funhouse mirror when viewed from either end.

Not only will the tower look tall, the distinction of floor heights becomes diminished as the tower rises, so if the windows (and floors) were decreased in size enough to add 20 extra levels, it would hardly matter.

Beyond that, the building is so thin that it will add an extra dimension of "tallness" to it, making the building appear freakishly tall, or taller than would/should seem possible.


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[N830MH]

Originally Posted by nomad11

The crane seems to be operating...I didn't think they would be doing weekend work on this building

I think they have time off from work. They have to rest. They're exhausted.

[FMIII]

Originally Posted by NYguy

It's not made up, I have seen people on this forum suggests the tower won't really look tall because of the oversized windows

NY guy is saying the truth, but what people complained about is more nuanced than that.

We don't think that the tower won't really look tall, we think that, because of its oversized windows, it will look less tall than it is. Or, to be more specific, we think that the tower will look less tall than it could have been with a "classic cladding".

Although I have started to enjoy the tower's design, it is obvious that "oversized windows" create an optical effect in the skyline which make any tower look shorter than it is. If you don't believe me, take a picture of this tower at its current height and compare it with, let say, Bloomberg tower and tell me which one looks taller. Another example would be to look at the former twins towers. They looked like giants thanks, in part, to their narrow windows. Imagine them with the same facade as 432 Park and you would find out that they wouldn't have looked as tall and powerful.

However, it is also obvious that, in the case of 432 Park, this optical effect will be counterbalanced in part by the tower's height and slenderness. Besides, I have to admit that those "oversized windows" are original and quite beautiful. They also give to the tower, along with its white concrete facade, a unique presence in the skyline.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by FMIII

We don't think that the tower won't really look tall, we think that, because of its oversized windows, it will look less tall than it is. Or, to be more specific, we think that the tower
will look less tall than it could have been with a "classic cladding".

It think that's baseless, because as I pointed out, the upper floors will be so high, the "size" of the windows won't really matter. As far as the cladding goes, I really don't think that has
anything to do with it. The original WTC towers didn't have any "classic cladding", but they were tall, and looked tall when you stood below.

Not only will this tower be tall, but it will be extra thin, adding an extra layer of loftiness as it rises.


Now, here's a look at that "cube" on Park Avenue...












The break down in units...





An actual mockup of the windows...






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[FMIII]

Originally Posted by NYguy

It think that's baseless, because as I pointed out, the upper floors will be so high, the "size" of the windows won't really matter. As far as the cladding goes, I really don't think that has anything to do with it. The original WTC towers didn't have any "classic cladding", but they were tall, and looked tall when you stood below.

Not only will this tower be tall, but it will be extra thin, adding an extra layer of loftiness as it rises.

It is not "baseless", it is called an optical effect or, if you prefer, a contrast effect. The twin towers had not a "classic cladding" but, unlike 432 Park, their loadbearing facades were made up of thousands of narrow windows. Most "modern" towers in New-York have a cladding where each floor is made up of multiple small glass panels.
Depending on where you stand to look at 432 Park, the optical effect of those oversized windows won't be the same. It is obvious that when you will look at the tower from its base at street level, it won't matter for the top floors will be so far away that they will melt together in the perspective.
But, when seen from afar or from any elevated vantage points, those huge windows, by contrast with surrounding towers, will make the tower look less tall than it could (or should) have been with a "standard" cladding.

[Camstonisland]

The angle of the projection added with a poorly shot picture of Central Park looking down (likely from an unsteady helicopter) makes it look like the tower is leaning. Just an awkward picture.

[M. Incandenza]

Personally, I don't think it's that the building won't "look tall" (pretty sure that's a straw man) or even that it won't look as tall as it "should." It's that the square is just about the most inert geometrical form you can base a design on. And the inertness is compounded by the complete lack of ornament or any remotely dynamic element. So I think it'll look plenty tall, it's just that it will sit there as kind of a mute presence on the skyline, a flat presence, with no sense of energy to justify all that height.

[mistermetAJ]

This building is terrible at street level. It exposes the lot line wall of the adjacent building along Park Ave. and breaks the street wall on the side streets. If this weren't so tall, more people would be screaming about how reminiscent this is of Gene Kaufman.

Originally Posted by NYguy

It think that's baseless, because as I pointed out, the upper floors will be so high, the "size" of the windows won't really matter. As far as the cladding goes, I really don't think that has
anything to do with it. The original WTC towers didn't have any "classic cladding", but they were tall, and looked tall when you stood below.

Not only will this tower be tall, but it will be extra thin, adding an extra layer of loftiness as it rises.


Now, here's a look at that "cube" on Park Avenue...

[Forrest Dweller]

Vinoly's lecture really opens this building up. Thanks to JSR for posting the link. The video is about an hour and fifteen minuets , and the intro last an excruciating 5 min. or so, but it's all interesting once Vinoly gets on. Well worth a sit down.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by FMIII

It is not "baseless", it is called an optical effect or, if you prefer, a contrast effect.

It is baseless. You can look at the building as it is now and see that. You're worrying about something that isn't there, like the spooky monster under the bed.



This tower will be monumental, and in no small part thanks to its design. It really doesn't need a spire or any of the other variations people seem to want. It will stand on its own, as it is, and will be every bit as lofty as can be expected of such a tower. Looking forward to the topping out.

[mistermetAJ]

Originally Posted by NYguy

It is baseless. You can look at the building as it is now and see that. You're worrying about something that isn't there, like the spooky monster under the bed.



This tower will be monumental, and in no small part thanks to its design. It really doesn't need a spire or any of the other variations people seem to want. It will stand on its own, as it is, and will be every bit as lofty as can be expected of such a tower. Looking forward to the topping out.

It is monumental because of it's height but monolithic because of its design. It doesn't need a spire to be tall, but it needed a spire/crown to be inspiring.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Man, Citigroup and Bloomberg look like toolsheds next to this thing, it definitely will be awesome to have such a peak in that area of the skyline.

[21bl0wed]

Originally Posted by FMIII

It is not "baseless", it is called an optical effect or, if you prefer, a contrast effect. The twin towers had not a "classic cladding" but, unlike 432 Park, their loadbearing facades were made up of thousands of narrow windows. Most "modern" towers in New-York have a cladding where each floor is made up of multiple small glass panels.
Depending on where you stand to look at 432 Park, the optical effect of those oversized windows won't be the same. It is obvious that when you will look at the tower from its base at street level, it won't matter for the top floors will be so far away that they will melt together in the perspective.
But, when seen from afar or from any elevated vantage points, those huge windows, by contrast with surrounding towers, will make the tower look less tall than it could (or should) have been with a "standard" cladding.

Well said, I agree with you. Spot on. I can't wait till more windows are up.

[sbarn]

Originally Posted by FMIII

It is not "baseless", it is called an optical effect or, if you prefer, a contrast effect. The twin towers had not a "classic cladding" but, unlike 432 Park, their loadbearing facades were made up of thousands of narrow windows. Most "modern" towers in New-York have a cladding where each floor is made up of multiple small glass panels.
Depending on where you stand to look at 432 Park, the optical effect of those oversized windows won't be the same. It is obvious that when you will look at the tower from its base at street level, it won't matter for the top floors will be so far away that they will melt together in the perspective.
But, when seen from afar or from any elevated vantage points, those huge windows, by contrast with surrounding towers, will make the tower look less tall than it could (or should) have been with a "standard" cladding.

I don't think this is a baseless point at all. The tower will look incredibly tall due to its slender profile, but the facade treatment does not emphasize the verticality of the building (think vertical elements) like 111 W 57th or the former twins. I think a different design could have made a similar size / height building look even taller. That said, this thing will obviously tower over Midtown due to its sheer height.

[Silverfox]

Originally Posted by mistermetAJ

It is monumental because of it's height but monolithic because of its design. It doesn't need a spire to be tall, but it needed a spire/crown to be inspiring.

It would look terrible with a spire or a crown. I don't see how a building could be inspiring, either. It's fine how it is.

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by mistermetAJ

It is monumental because of it's height but monolithic because of its design. It doesn't need a spire to be tall, but it needed a spire/crown to be inspiring.

disagree. it will be inspiring based on its height and slenderness as well as its clean, unadorned design.

[ILNY]

3.1.2014

Almost there....


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[Perklol]

Beautiful. Can't wait to see the other buildings rise as well.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

disagree. it will be inspiring based on its height and slenderness as well as its clean, unadorned design.

It will be the very definition of a highrise, a supertall one. I agree that the clean design is why it will stand out even more.



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