noirish Los Angeles

[mrfredmertz]

How about a street evangelist or a shoeshine stand?

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by HossC

You previously posted these 1929 images (and one more) in post #17222, e_r. In response to your question about "the diamond shapes in the sidewalk",
I posted the picture below.

Sorry, I should have double checked.
...and I obviously forgot our discussion about the diamond sidewalk shapes. I'm red-faced.

At least the photographs were larger this time around.

[ethereal_reality]

OK, let me try this one.


"Historic Los Angeles Hollywood Cyanotype Photograph, Dwire Home Sunset Blvd. 1890."


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Here's the information on the reverse:


I tried to find a Dwire (I checked Dwyer too) with a Sunset address in several L.A. directories. I came up with nil.
(would Hollywood be included in L.A. directories back in the 1890s?)
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[MartinTurnbull]

[QUOTE=Wig-Wag;7000389]

Originally Posted by MartinTurnbull

I was approached recently via my website by someone looking for any and all available information and photographs of a club called MOON OVER MIAMI which stood at 13333 1/2 Ventura Blvd, which would put it in Sherman Oaks. I'd never heard of it, nor could I find anything about it in any of the online LACDs or in the usual digital photo collections I go to. So I was hoping that someone here might have info and/or photos.

A couple of odd things
- The phone number V.N. 8360 - I've never seen a phone number listed like that.
- The advertisement has it at 1333 1/2 Ventura which (accordingly Google Maps) would put it in Camarillo, which can't be right. I wonder if someone's head rolled after that ad came out.

Any contributions / memories / suggestions / pointers would be appreciated! Thanks much.



Martin, I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the VN in the phone number is a Van Nuys prefix At some point the prefixes were changed and Van Nuys received ST (State), but I don't have a date for this; See:

http://www.laalmanac.com/communications/cm01e.htm

Prior to acquiring the Poplar prefix North Hollywood had an NH prefix, as shown on this ad that appears to be from 1933. Do we have any clue as to when the Moon over Miami Club was in business?



[IMG]http://i1315.photobucket.com/albums/t587/jgn151/474041_10150709103859463_388786943_o_zpsnmz45cbg.jpg

Image from the San Fernando Valley relics website:

https://www.facebook.com/valleyrelics?fref=photo

Cheers,
Jack

I've only ever seen telephone numbers like this: CRestview and HOllywood. From the looks of it, I guess SFV phone number were listed differently than LA County...?

Unfortunately, I don't have any more info on this club than what I've already included in my original post. The query came from someone who is trying to piece together her grandmother's life on very few details. Although I'd never heard of this "Moon Over Miami" place, but had dining and swimming and dancing and riding going on, so I figured it must have been fairly sizable, and was surprised I hadn't come across it before, especially as I live in the area. She also sent me an item from a Louella Parsons column, so this place must have been popular enough to blip on her horizon. I also posted in San Fernando Relics page on FB but nobody had anything to contribute either.

[ddyment]

Thanks very much to Martin Pal, fhammon and HossC, and anyone else that contributed titles of films or television shows shot on the Sunset Strip. I had a few of them already, but many were new to me. A huge help, thanks.

A more specific request: Has the original Googies Coffee Shop (the namesake of the architectural form, which was located at 8100 Sunset Blvd, next to Schwab's) ever appeared on film? A car drives by it in Barfly, but that's the closest I've come to seeing it represented on celluloid.

Thanks in advance.

[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

"Historic Los Angeles Hollywood Cyanotype Photograph, Dwire Home Sunset Blvd. 1890."


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I tried to find a Dwire (I checked Dwyer too) with a Sunset address in several L.A. directories. I came up with nil.
(would Hollywood be included in L.A. directories back in the 1890s?)
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The hill in the background at right in er's photo has to be Olive Hill aka Barnsdall Park.

The 1895 photo below looks north from that hill. There's a large house in the distance between the two men (the guy on the left seems to be pointing to it).
Look at the ridgeline from above that house over to the right edge of the photo. Compare that with the ridgeline in er's photo from the left edge to above the
barn behind the Dwire house. The angle is different, but the two ridgelines match.

USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/1289/rec/3

So I checked the north side of Sunset west several blocks from Olive Hill/Barnsdall Park on the earliest Sanborn to show the area (1919). One lot west
of the NW corner of Sunset and Harvard is a 2-1/2 story house with porches on the SW corner and a 1-1/2 story garage/barn in back, just like in er's
photo. Maybe it's the same house:

LAPL

The area on Googlemap: https://www.google.com/maps/place/52...50ed82f5?hl=en

The 1906 Hollywood City Directory has a whole family of Dwires on Sunset:

LAPL -- http://rescarta.lapl.org/ResCarta-We...40507/00000026

P.S. Interesting post on Crossroads of the World, T2!

[MartinTurnbull]

[QUOTE=MartinTurnbull;7003567]

Originally Posted by Wig-Wag

I've only ever seen telephone numbers like this: CRestview and HOllywood. From the looks of it, I guess SFV phone number were listed differently than LA County...?

Unfortunately, I don't have any more info on this club than what I've already included in my original post. The query came from someone who is trying to piece together her grandmother's life on very few details. Although I'd never heard of this "Moon Over Miami" place, but had dining and swimming and dancing and riding going on, so I figured it must have been fairly sizable, and was surprised I hadn't come across it before, especially as I live in the area. She also sent me an item from a Louella Parsons column, so this place must have been popular enough to blip on her horizon. I also posted in San Fernando Relics page on FB but nobody had anything to contribute either.

I just went back to the woman who queried me originally, and she said:

To the best of my calculations, the very end of the 1920s (maybe), through the 1930s(almost completely positive) and perhaps continuing into the early 1940s (moderately likely)

Back in the 20s and 30s, there wouldn’t have been much around that part of Ventura Blvd. Most of that land was orchards, right? So I’d have thought that a club - really, it sounds more like a resort - would have really stood out.

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

The hill in the background at right in er's photo has to be Olive Hill aka Barnsdall Park.

The 1895 photo below looks north from that hill. There's a large house in the distance between the two men (the guy on the left seems to be pointing to it).
Look at the ridgeline from above that house over to the right edge of the photo. Compare that with the ridgeline in er's photo from the left edge to above the
barn behind the Dwire house. The angle is different, but the two ridgelines match.

USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/1289/rec/3

So I checked the north side of Sunset west several blocks from Olive Hill/Barnsdall Park on the earliest Sanborn to show the area (1919). One lot west
of the NW corner of Sunset and Harvard is a 2-1/2 story house with porches on the SW corner and a 1-1/2 story garage/barn in back, just like in er's
photo. Maybe it's the same house:

LAPL

The area on Googlemap: https://www.google.com/maps/place/52...50ed82f5?hl=en

The 1906 Hollywood City Directory has a whole family of Dwires on Sunset:

LAPL -- http://rescarta.lapl.org/ResCarta-We...40507/00000026

P.S. Interesting post on Crossroads of the World, T2!

I believe you are correct, FW. The 5259 house is the same as the one in the 1890 blue tint photo. Two story porch with the 2 & 1/2 story building, exactly as described in the map you provided. Also, that does appear to be Olive Hill...we even see the olive trees dotted on the hill. Olive Hill later became the location of the now famous Frank Lloyd Wright designed home of Aline Barnsdall of oil wealth.
Excellent find!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aline_Barnsdall

Interior of the Barnsdall home - Hollyhock on Olive Hill

Mcnees

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by ddyment

A more specific request: Has the original Googies Coffee Shop (the namesake of the architectural form, which was located at 8100 Sunset Blvd, next to Schwab's) ever appeared on film? A car drives by it in Barfly, but that's the closest I've come to seeing it represented on celluloid.

Thanks in advance.

Barfly is from 1987, so is it stock footage? Or do you mean the building Googies used to be in?

We've had various restaurant menus posted here; I don't recall seeing one from Googies before though. I could only find a photo of the menu cover:


c. 1958, from Smithsonian Magazine blog: HERE.

[jg6544]

Originally Posted by Ed Workman

The train is headed south on Alameda Street to Central Station. Central replaced the Arcade Depot at substantially the same site in 1915 , in time for Panama Canal opening festivities. In turn Central was replaced by Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal in 1939. It also replaced Santa Fe's La Grande station. Central was also used by Union PAcific , after its Salt LAke depot on the east bank of the LA River burned. Moving the RRs to LAUPT, and thus getting passenger trains off Alameda took years of wrangling and lawsuits. Central Station fronted on Central Avenue and the station grounds extended to Alameda. Look south of 8th ST to find the location on old maps

Excellent detective work! I can tell it's an SP train from the engine and the autos on the street suggested it was probably taken before Union Station opened, so my only question was, where was the SP depot before Union Station opened. Thanks.

[tovangar2]

Central Station was at 5th and Central:


kcet

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson

Here's an aerial from an angle we don't see all that often. The Central Station replaced the Arcade Depot in 1914 and was bigger still. It appears at the lower left. At this distance you can get a nice sense of scale. The thing was humongous.


los angeles (calif) civic center and downtown, ca. 1930
LAPL

The 1914 Central Station was bought by Young's Market Company and demolished in 1956. A meat-packing plant is now on the site.

[ethereal_reality]

Close-up of the Dwire Home.


eBay

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

One lot west of the NW corner of Sunset and Harvard is a 2-1/2 story house with porches on the SW corner and a 1-1/2 story garage/barn in back,
just like in er's photo. Maybe it's the same house:


LAPL

The 1906 Hollywood City Directory has a whole family of Dwires on Sunset:

LAPL -- http://rescarta.lapl.org/ResCarta-We...40507/00000026

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Great sleuthing FlyingWedge! That could very well be the house.

Thanks for all your help buddy.

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[ethereal_reality]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4srqZsN6pM


In this ten minute Red Cross film from the 1930s, there is a brief scene filmed at Echo Park Lake, around the 7:15 minute mark.



Everything is fine and dandy until their canoe tips over...




and the girl sinks like a sack of potatoes.




Once she settles on the bottom, her Tarzan comes to the rescue...




and pulls her up by the ears.




Wet, but safe and sound.


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This is the only scene I could honestly say was filmed in Los Angeles. There are several scenes in hilly terrain that resembles California,
until you realize all the trees are bare, having lost their leaves for the winter.

That said, some of the staged accidents are rather exciting. (see below)



If interested, you can watch the short film here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4srqZsN6pM

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[ethereal_reality]

"The Ritz Hotel, W. Colorado Boulevard, Pasadena, 1977."


http://pasadenadigitalhistory.com/



...and today.


gsv

After a google or two on the internets , I discovered the building was built in 1888 and was originally known as the Arcade Block. It began as a furniture store,
then also served as a café, Safeway Grocery, "Ritz" hotel, Victoria's Secret, and now Sephora.


"The façade was redesigned in 1915 to commemorate British soldiers and aviators fighting in WW1."


http://studentreader.com/old-town-pasadena/

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[ethereal_reality]

The Macy Street Bridge photographed on August 30, 1948.



https://www.flickr.com/photos/30993133@N04/

Did the city ever sweep the sidewalks?

I've been trying to figure out the sign to the right of the streetcar. Is it CUDAH?
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Oh, and what about that building in the distance at far right?


detail / https://www.flickr.com/photos/30993133@N04/

I hope that guy isn't contemplating suicide.
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[sadykadie2]

I found this great postcard at a garage sale here in Costa Mesa just this morning. Any dates for this great building? Any history?

[Those Who Squirm!]

Apropos of this map from the e_r's post, Savoy Street near the right margin definitely merits a look-in, the next time you're in the area--or even using Bing or Google Maps if you're not. This midget street still boasts a number of houses from before 1900, along with others that aren't all that much more recent in origin. Here are a few of them:



(ETA: Bing Maps, which is obvious to everyone but I want to observe the rule about photo citations. Unfortunately, I don't have the full URL.)

It really does seem like stepping into a truly forgotten corner of the city. It's amazing to think that people lived around here 120 years ago, in some of these same houses, and had to decide whether to walk downtown, get out the horse and gig, or maybe take the streetcar.

Not visible here, but just about even with where the camera would be, and to the right, is a house with a high front porch which, when I drove it some time past, had several ancient lounge chairs lined up on it. I couldn't help but think of old fashioned "rest homes" and such, as they are portrayed in films like The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button. However, I should mention that the house in question seems much too small for that, unless it's like a board and care facility.

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I was wondering whatever happened to the Jewish Cemetery.

Here it is listed as "Hebrew Cemetery" on a map dated 1897.

https://www.pinterest.com/bigmapblog/

[MichaelRyerson]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

The Macy Street Bridge photographed on August 30, 1948.



https://www.flickr.com/photos/30993133@N04/

Did the city ever sweep the sidewalks?

I've been trying to figure out the sign to the right of the streetcar. Is it CUDAH?
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Oh, and what about that building in the distance at far right?


detail / https://www.flickr.com/photos/30993133@N04/

I hope that guy isn't contemplating suicide.
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That's the Cudahy Packing Company which was north of Macy and west of the river meaning we're looking west. The gas-o-meter is a problem for me, I have no memory of a gas-o-meter north of Macy in this area. Also the billboard to the left seems to be advertising Life with Father (1947) starring William Powell and Irene Dunne which would put the date of the image somewhat earlier than 1948. Hard to believe they'd still be doing billboard adverts on a film a year after initial release. But maybe.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson

That's the Cudahy Packing Company which was north of Macy and west of the river meaning we're looking west. The gas-o-meter is a problem for me, I have no memory of a gas-o-meter north of Macy in this area. Also the billboard to the left seems to be advertising Life with Father (1947) starring William Powell and Irene Dunne which would put the date of the image somewhat earlier than 1948. Hard to believe they'd still be doing billboard adverts on a film a year after initial release. But maybe.

You beat me to it, MichaelRyerson. I was trying to find a better picture of the Cudahy Packing Company at 803 E Macy Street, but my quick search only yielded a small picture of the back of the building. I did find this image which shows one of their trucks in 1933, and may well show part of their building on Macy.


USC Digital Library

[Tourmaline]

More on Cudahy and the nearby "Gaso-meat-er" http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=11813


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics23/00031466.jpg