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I like that idea. I can picture the former mall area and even the second floor ballrooms with a James Bond style casino. Not a massive Vegas type, something with class like the Royal Connaught has, had.
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I am wondering if a casino floor is the missing element that would allow for the Royal Connaught's revival as an actual hotel...
I'm not a fan of adding a casino to downtown, but if it led to restoration of the Connaught, I could live with it.
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Bratina seems supportive of a casino.
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I don't get the whole logic of requesting a referendum on a casino in Hamilton.

We already have one, are we willing to lose $4-6 million annually to ditch a casino?
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I guess the question is whether we develop a full casino at the Flamborough site or relocate it to somewhere else in the city. I don't see any reason to push it out of the city.
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Although I am really not a fan of casinos in general and even more so having one downtown. one way to ensure that you don't have riff raff hanging about is to have some sort of dress code to go in. I am not saying suit but maybe business casual.

That would bring a lot more 'normal' looking decently dressed people downtown.
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More of a determinant would be what offerings are being made within the casino. You won't get much riffraff hanging around if the tables have a decent minimum and the slots floor is not dominated by penny slots. Add to that a top-notch restaurant or two and a decent theatre venue and you have a decidedly different demographic being attacted than you would see at the downtown bingo hall.
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Although I am really not a fan of casinos in general and even more so having one downtown. one way to ensure that you don't have riff raff hanging about is to have some sort of dress code to go in. I am not saying suit but maybe business casual.

That would bring a lot more 'normal' looking decently dressed people downtown.
I have been to casino's all over the area and have never seen riff raff hanging around any of the urban locations.
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It was revealed that McCade is discussion with someone about owing a casino in Hamilton.
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Suppose to be a presentation on Sept 6th.
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Although I am really not a fan of casinos in general and even more so having one downtown. one way to ensure that you don't have riff raff hanging about is to have some sort of dress code to go in. I am not saying suit but maybe business casual.

That would bring a lot more 'normal' looking decently dressed people downtown.
The last thing I would be concerned about is the clothes people wear in and around a casino. I would be more concerned about upper class criminals should this become a reality.
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The impression that casinos bring an increase in criminal activity to the host community tends to be based on anecdotal observations rather than empirical evidence.

Here is an interesting study on the subject recently conducted for the U.S. Department of Justice

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/187679.pdf
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Spent time at MGM this weekend. The hotel was amazing and the restaurants and nightclubs were great too. What I didn't like was the smoking at the casino but that would be different in Ontario.
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http://news.ontario.ca/omafra/en/201...utm_campaign=m

The end of slots at racetracks.

Sounds like its the end of Flamboro Downs.
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The end of slots at racetracks.

Sounds like its the end of Flamboro Downs.
That really sucks. I don't know if I can argue that publicly funding horse racing is good policy, but this will really piss off Flamborough at a time when they don't need it. They already lost part of their gambling revenue to amalgamation and many are still bitter. Any subsidies to the racetrack have to be considered in light of the positive revenues generated by OLG operations. The fact that the racetracks keep gambling out of urban centres could easily have value in itself. Horse racing and betting are complementary activities and there is no concern of urban decay surrounding a casino in the country. This just looks like a lose-lose. Flamborough doesn't want to lose their operations, and most of Hamilton downtown wants nothing to do with a new casino.
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I don't get the whole logic of requesting a referendum on a casino in Hamilton.

We already have one, are we willing to lose $4-6 million annually to ditch a casino?
Yeah, I think we should be. The cost of casinos isn't so much the nearby crime, it's problem gambling and the associated costs. Those costs add up; maybe if they devoted a big chunk of the royalties to addressing it then things would balance out, but instead they put together some crappy programs and spend the rest on infrastructure. So then all you get is more families falling part, more fraud and crime by the problem gamblers, and a higher burden on the justice and medical and welfare systems and I bet down the road the city will be spending more on the externalities than getting in taxes.
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The end of slots at racetracks.

Sounds like its the end of Flamboro Downs.
And, if the Interim Report is to be believed, every other track in the province.

Impact of SARP Cancellation

While SARP has serious flaws, the panel has concluded that simply cutting off the flow of public funds to the industry will have grim consequences. A middle ground should be found that preserves the core of the industry while reducing but not terminating public support.

As the basis for advice on the transition to a sustainable model, the panel sought an accurate projection of the horse racing industry in Ontario following the end of SARP. After reviewing the submissions from the industry and government agencies, and in light of the recent experience in Quebec, one fact is inescapable.

Panel Finding:

Without slots revenue or a new revenue stream, the horse racing industry in Ontario will cease to exist.
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Yeah, I think we should be. The cost of casinos isn't so much the nearby crime, it's problem gambling and the associated costs. Those costs add up; maybe if they devoted a big chunk of the royalties to addressing it then things would balance out, but instead they put together some crappy programs and spend the rest on infrastructure. So then all you get is more families falling part, more fraud and crime by the problem gamblers, and a higher burden on the justice and medical and welfare systems and I bet down the road the city will be spending more on the externalities than getting in taxes.
So, using your rational we should close all establishments that serve alcohol and ban alcohol altogether since alcohol causes many more times the problems that gambling does.

A percentage of the proceeds from gambling goes to problem gambling. If you go to a casino there are signs and information all over the place advertising help for people who think they need it.
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Paul Wilson: Brantford mayor on casinos – "I was wrong."

By Paul Wilson, CBC News
http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/talk/stor...brantford.html

Eating crow is a hard thing to do. It’s especially indigestible for politicians.

But on the matter of a casino in his town, Brantford mayor Chris Friel is ready to go there. "People are well within their right to say, ‘I told you so.’ And I’d have to take it."

Right now the province is overhauling the gambling game. It doesn’t want to run the slots and poker tables anymore, but it sure plans to be extracting a big cut from the private interests who take over.

Some say this is the time for a casino in downtown Hamilton, the answer to all our prayers. Others say a casino would be the end of the world.

So we’re in Brantford today, where gambling came to town nearly 13 years ago.

Friel was mayor then. He was elected in 1994, only 27 years old. He got unelected in 2003, but the people asked him back in 2010.

There was a casino referendum in Brantford 15 years ago. The Yes side won in a squeaker.

Friel had been steady in his opposition to the casino. "Brantford was going through deindustrialization. We’d lost Massey’s and Cockshutt (big farm equipment manufacturers) and were just reinventing ourselves."

And Friel didn’t think a casino was the right road back.

"The religious right adopted me," he says, but it wasn’t about that. He figured the casino would cause more troubles than it cured. Higher police costs, people losing their houses, the standard worries.

Besides, he believed salvation could come from another quarter. He was after Laurier University to create a satellite campus in downtown Brantford. He even had the building to give them – a failed telecommunications site.

But after the referendum, council voted to sell that building to the province for a casino.

The casino opened and Brantford’s been getting a nice allowance every year since, five per cent of the slot revenues. The total payout to the city is now up to nearly $50 million.

The casino employs 900, both full and part-time. Wages and benefits to date – nearly $1/2 billion.

Brantford’s share of the slots goes to special projects. The first deposit from the casino was used in the mayor’s drive to get Laurier to town. Brantford owned the beautiful but neglected Carnegie library building downtown.

The city used a few million casino-windfall dollars to renovate the Carnegie, then turned it over to Laurier. Brantford has since invested another $17 million – sometimes handing over buildings – to bolster the Laurier presence in the core.

Now Laurier has 19 buildings in downtown Brantford, representing an investment from the university of some $78 million.

In 2000, there were 39 students. Now it’s up to about 3,000. The end plan, some 15,000 students. And looking back, the mayor admits, "I have to say, no casino, no university."

He says the bad stuff hasn’t happened. He says they’ve looked hard, checked the stats with police and local social service agencies, and the casino has not set loose a plague on the streets of Brantford.

As it turned out, most who go to the casino aren’t from Brantford anyway. Only 30 per cent are within a 20-minute drive. The rest arrive from further afield. Yes, Hamilton goes there. And yes, there are taxis from Toronto, even though guests may have to wait hours to get in on a game at the poker tables.
Money for Wayne Gretzky

Brantford has also spent its casino cheques on physician recruitment, a hospice, a tourism centre, Community Foundation grants, a brownfield reserve fund, and some $7 million for the Wayne Gretzky Sports Centre.

The mayor believes the casino itself, on downtown’s southern edge, has done little for the core. Patrons roll in, roll out. But those thousands of students do bring the downtown sidewalks alive.

Yes, there’s Money Mart and thrift stores. But new student residences are popping up. The latest, which opens this week, is the $11-million Expositor Place. In this restored 1895 gem, there will be commercial space and a home for 210 students. The city kicked in $450,000 to restore the historic facade.

So what should Hamilton be doing?
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