HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #61  
Old Posted Aug 14, 2020, 7:40 PM
Acajack's Avatar
Acajack Acajack is offline
Unapologetic Occidental
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Province 2, Canadian Empire
Posts: 68,142
Quote:
Originally Posted by someone123 View Post
Some thought experiments:

Canada annexes the Turks and Caicos islands and in a fit of imperial exuberance adopts many of their symbols on our money. We get a brown pelican on our $20 bill, etc. Are the Turks and Caicos suddenly on the "most Canadian" list because of this redefinition?

Canada annexes Greenland. Newfoundland is no longer at a geographical/cultural extremum. Does SSP start listing the "least Canadian" places as Windsor ON and Nuuk, with St. John's dropping off of the list?
Good points but I suppose that this was not a direct answer to my post?

As for the Bluenose on the dime, it's been there for close to 100 years I think. And Nova Scotia was one of the four original provinces in Confederation.

So I wouldn't say the Bluenose on a coin is something perfunctory that is just there to prove a point.
__________________
The Last Word.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #62  
Old Posted Aug 14, 2020, 7:49 PM
Acajack's Avatar
Acajack Acajack is offline
Unapologetic Occidental
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Province 2, Canadian Empire
Posts: 68,142
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper View Post
All I can say is that there's a huge difference between Canadians with ancestry dating back a hundred or more years and first and second generation like myself. Toronto fits as both the most and the least. I felt the same about other major Canadian cities.

Cool idea for a thread. It's just beyond me.
How very Torontonian of you!

This Canadianistic stuff is semi-interesting, but we're just too busy doing more important shit with New York and New Delhi. Tah tah, dears.


(Please don't take offence. Just teasing! )
__________________
The Last Word.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #63  
Old Posted Aug 14, 2020, 7:54 PM
Acajack's Avatar
Acajack Acajack is offline
Unapologetic Occidental
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Province 2, Canadian Empire
Posts: 68,142
...............
__________________
The Last Word.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #64  
Old Posted Aug 14, 2020, 8:05 PM
someone123's Avatar
someone123 someone123 is offline
hähnchenbrüstfiletstüc
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 33,694
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acajack View Post
So I wouldn't say the Bluenose on a coin is something perfunctory that is just there to prove a point.
Of course it is there because of an effort to incorporate symbols from every part of Canada. I wonder if it really is a national rather than provincial cultural symbol though. Do people in Regina feel pride about the Bluenose? Do they generally understand the significance of it, or is it just the thing on the dime?

If our definition of "Canadian" is merely "from the geographical area now known as Canada" we don't have a rich discussion topic. Using the same standard you could say Scotland is just and British as England because they've both been parts of the UK for hundreds of years. The Stone of Scone is just another item in the same cultural collection as Buckingham palace.

Part of the difficulty is that "Canada" is overloaded as both an older cultural term and the name of a country. It would be like if England were the name of the UK today.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #65  
Old Posted Aug 14, 2020, 8:10 PM
Acajack's Avatar
Acajack Acajack is offline
Unapologetic Occidental
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Province 2, Canadian Empire
Posts: 68,142
Quote:
Originally Posted by someone123 View Post
Of course it is there because of an effort to incorporate symbols from every part of Canada. I wonder if it really is a national rather than provincial cultural symbol though. Do people in Regina feel pride about the Bluenose? Do they generally understand the significance of it, or is it just the thing on the dime?

If our definition of "Canadian" is merely "from the geographical area now known as Canada" we don't have a rich discussion topic.
I'd say that issue goes far beyond this thread. It's actually the very essence of the Canadian identity and culture conundrum. We did not invent it here on SSP.
__________________
The Last Word.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #66  
Old Posted Aug 14, 2020, 8:18 PM
zoomer's Avatar
zoomer zoomer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,973
Most: Edmonton, Ottawa and Moncton for most of the reasons others have already listed. I’ve found all three to be friendly, welcoming and proudly Canadian. They represent ‘peace, order and good government’.

Least: Calgary - again for the reasons mentioned by a Calgarian above. Visiting does feel like going into a pocket of something different.. hmm, gotta think about this one a bit more.

Victoria - well, living here colours my perspective, but for so many reasons it feels different, not sure if that makes it less Canadian, who knows, maybe we’re the most Canadian - yah, no. Victorians are proudly Canadian as much as you’ll find anywhere, but Canadian is defined by the ideals that we stand for and less so the way of life, culture, attitudes, etc.

Partly a reality of living on an island, and an island where it’s very time consuming and/or expensive to arrive or leave. It does lead to an island mentality, which at times can be limiting, on the other hand it does result in greater local innovation and creativity. Victoria elects Green Party politicians federally and provincially, in some tidings the leading two candidates are the NDP, then Green, followed by Liberals and finally the Conservatives. So there is that massive overriding left leaning, and environmental perspective, whatever you think of that.

It doesn’t feel or look like the rest of Canada - you can see the geographical difference when you arrive back in Victoria and you can feel it too. While a lot of people enjoy going over to the mainland for the weekend as soon as they drive off the ferry there is a sigh of relief.. things are slower and more grounded.

What makes it feel less Canadian - a disdain of large companies, chain restaurants, anything large scale really. When we have colleagues visit from Edmonton they all want to go to Earl’s, Cactus Club or Milestones without fail. We snobbishly judge them - those places are for tourists who don’t know better. BTW, I swear Edmonton is the most meat and potatoes city ever when it comes to liking basic food. Even finding a restaurant large enough to handle larger work groups (more than 8!) is a near impossibility, usually means going to a pub right after work and having them put a few tables together. Unlike other Canadian cities I’ve been too most of the restaurants here a little holes in the wall, with limited seating. The smaller the better, it’s deemed as more authentic - Victorians don’t like to see anything get too big and successful because then it’s a sign of being a capitalist sellout.

Other things just look different here - billboards are not allowed, the only advertising you’ll see is at bus stops, business signs also face strict size limits, so it leaves a less cluttered look. Also, Victoria has by the far the highest percentage of people who walk or bike to work, bike traffic is everywhere, as are walkers, runners, joggers, water based activities. You really notice that difference compared to other cities.

Watching Canadiana on TV - can’t relate when they speak to the stereotypes - the cold, the wide open prairies, kids playing on frozen ponds and rivers. Tired of seeing that on hockey broadcasts with Ron McLean (maybe the most Canadian person ever - although he’s annoying as heck). We have no frozen rivers or lakes (although some years there is one field in town that gets flooded with enough water and then can freeze allowing kids to skate for a few days). The only outdoor hockey is street hockey or indoors - which probably explains why Victoria has supplied only 19 players ever to the NHL, only four of whom have over 200 career points.

While the origins were British, Victoria looks more to Asia for inspiration even though that population is lower than Vancouver. In many ways Victoria is cautious.. we built one commie block back in the 1970s and it still haunts and influences what happens today. We’re sceptical of any new trend or style, we only know for sure ‘we don’t want to be like Vancouver’. As a result, new development is small scale, and at times feels quite random and quirky. Unlike Vancouver, Victoria did not go in for the all glass condos. I’m sure there’s more, but that’s enough wild generalizations and anecdotal stories for one day, lol.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #67  
Old Posted Aug 14, 2020, 8:42 PM
Architype's Avatar
Architype Architype is offline
♒︎ Empirically Canadian
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: 🍁 Canada
Posts: 11,991
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acajack View Post
And the Bluenose was actually put on the dime, not the nickel. And still is.
I forgot what a nickel looked like, perhaps a very Canadian trait. We need to put the Bluenose on our Visa cards instead.

Quote:
Originally Posted by someone123 View Post
Of course it is there because of an effort to incorporate symbols from every part of Canada. I wonder if it really is a national rather than provincial cultural symbol though. Do people in Regina feel pride about the Bluenose? Do they generally understand the significance of it, or is it just the thing on the dime?

If our definition of "Canadian" is merely "from the geographical area now known as Canada" we don't have a rich discussion topic. Using the same standard you could say Scotland is just and British as England because they've both been parts of the UK for hundreds of years. The Stone of Scone is just another item in the same cultural collection as Buckingham palace.

Part of the difficulty is that "Canada" is overloaded as both an older cultural term and the name of a country. It would be like if England were the name of the UK today.
For the purposes of this thread you need to define what (more or less) Canadian actually means. I think more Canadian means things that are defined by the outside world as Canadian, also things that are shared within the country by the majority of people, but not by people outside the country, therefore more common or average here.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #68  
Old Posted Aug 14, 2020, 9:14 PM
Martin Mtl's Avatar
Martin Mtl Martin Mtl is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,952
So in conclusion, everyone has a different opinion on what Canadian means.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #69  
Old Posted Aug 14, 2020, 9:44 PM
svlt svlt is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Canada
Posts: 823
Quote:
Originally Posted by zoomer View Post
Watching Canadiana on TV - can’t relate when they speak to the stereotypes - the cold, the wide open prairies, kids playing on frozen ponds and rivers. Tired of seeing that on hockey broadcasts with Ron McLean (maybe the most Canadian person ever - although he’s annoying as heck).
Yeah when I think "Canadiana" I really envision those romantic ads of wide open expanses of frozen lakes and kids skating alone on it with a hockey stick, usually against a backdrop of sunset/sunrise. Then of working class moms and dads driving their kids to hockey practice at 5 in the morning on a snowy winter morning. The true hinterlands of the country. I guess Tim Horton's / Olympics 2010 marketing got to me.

The Prairies (sans Calgary) from Alberta to Northwest Ontario really feel to me as the most quintessentially Canadian, again maybe from marketing and personal travels. Edmonton, Regina, Winnipeg, Thunder Bay. Classically Canadian attributes. But the country is a heck of a lot more and what I learned is that Canada would be much significantly less interesting without all the parts that make its whole. The BC coast, much of Quebec, Toronto and NL I think would be the "least Canadian", but yet every bit as much part of Canada. Imagine the US without California or Northern Virginia.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #70  
Old Posted Aug 14, 2020, 10:10 PM
Calgarian's Avatar
Calgarian Calgarian is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
Posts: 24,072
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Mtl View Post
So in conclusion, everyone has a different opinion on what Canadian means.
Pretty much a foregone conclusion on this site.
__________________
Git'er done!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #71  
Old Posted Aug 14, 2020, 11:39 PM
JHikka's Avatar
JHikka JHikka is offline
ハルウララ
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 12,853
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Mtl View Post
So in conclusion, everyone has a different opinion on what Canadian means.
The great thing about Canadian is that we can have it mean literally whatever we want it to mean.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #72  
Old Posted Aug 14, 2020, 11:54 PM
Dr Awesomesauce's Avatar
Dr Awesomesauce Dr Awesomesauce is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: BEYOND THE OUTER RIM
Posts: 5,889
Most: That would have to be just about anywhere in Quebec; Ottawa, too, I suppose.

Least: Hamilton, perhaps Toronto. Hamilton is just an extension of the Mid-West. You could plop it down anywhere in Upstate NY, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc. and nobody would bat an eye...
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #73  
Old Posted Aug 15, 2020, 12:09 AM
CivicBlues CivicBlues is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 947
Quote:
Originally Posted by urbandreamer View Post

If you're hanging out with old stock Canadians (roots go back to 1600-1840s) then parts of Toronto still feel Canadian - Leslieville, the Beach, the Junction. Similar areas exist in Vancouver and Montreal.
So we're going by residence duration of one's ancestors now?

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned First Nations Reserves as feeling the most "Canadian". Heck there's probably no place more Canadian by far than our Territories if you subscribe to the Bering Strait Migration theory. If by city then Winnipeg should be #1 based solely on their proportion of First Nations population.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #74  
Old Posted Aug 15, 2020, 12:18 AM
urbandreamer's Avatar
urbandreamer urbandreamer is online now
recession proof
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,579
Victoria feels the most English-Canadian to me, as in how us English used to live in Canada pre-1960s. I like it. Laid back, quiet money. It's the opposite of Markham or Vaughan. Peterborough, parts of Barrie and Orillia, old London, North Vancouver still have this feel. Victoria also feels the most American - it reminds me of parts of north Seattle, Portland or Medford or Petaluma. It's got this almost Colonial English vibe to it.

Last week when I was in London, I went shopping for groceries: It felt like I was in a suburban Victoria grocery store. Friendly, attractive English people.

Last edited by urbandreamer; Aug 15, 2020 at 12:43 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #75  
Old Posted Aug 15, 2020, 12:36 AM
urbandreamer's Avatar
urbandreamer urbandreamer is online now
recession proof
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,579
An interesting book I've got, "The Tourist for 1836" describes Toronto:
"York ... presents more nearly the appearance of an American village than any other in the Canadas: there are a great number of stores, and many of them are kept by young men from the States. It is uncommonly thriving; and the value of property is nearly as high as in the city of New-York: more than 300 buildings were erected in 1833."
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #76  
Old Posted Aug 15, 2020, 1:22 AM
Acajack's Avatar
Acajack Acajack is offline
Unapologetic Occidental
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Province 2, Canadian Empire
Posts: 68,142
Quote:
Originally Posted by JHikka View Post
The great thing about Canadian is that we can have it mean literally whatever we want it to mean.
Generally speaking, yes. Though taken to the extreme you get into "diminishing returns".
__________________
The Last Word.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #77  
Old Posted Aug 15, 2020, 1:39 AM
MolsonExport's Avatar
MolsonExport MolsonExport is offline
The Vomit Bag.
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Otisburgh
Posts: 44,903
What's the most "American" Big City in the United States? In terms of representing the most "American" cross-section of the population and being the prototypical American City? Surely not New York (too cosmopolitan), or Chicago (too ethnically plural), or LA or Miami or Houston or Phoenix or San Diego (too Hispanic), or Atlanta or Washington (too African American), or Seattle or San Francisco (too Tekkie), or Detroit or Cleveland or Pittsburgh (too Rustbelty). Probably not Denver. Definitely not Salt Lake City or Vegas or Portland.

Dallas? Minneapolis? Columbus? Nashville?

Jacksonville? Or is that too much like Toronto (e.g., skyline)?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #78  
Old Posted Aug 15, 2020, 1:40 AM
lrt's friend lrt's friend is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,865
I have always associated Niagara Falls as being 'least Canadian'. It is a place (prior to the pandemic) dominated by American tourists and restaurant chains. I always thought that if Americans really wanted to experience Canada, they needed to go beyond Niagara Falls. This is from someone who actually enjoys Niagara Falls.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #79  
Old Posted Aug 15, 2020, 2:01 AM
Architype's Avatar
Architype Architype is offline
♒︎ Empirically Canadian
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: 🍁 Canada
Posts: 11,991
It seems that in any country (what's the least French city in France?) the cities on the peripheries will generally be the least representative of that country's identity.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #80  
Old Posted Aug 15, 2020, 2:03 AM
JHikka's Avatar
JHikka JHikka is offline
ハルウララ
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 12,853
Quote:
Originally Posted by MolsonExport View Post
What's the most "American" Big City in the United States?
Boston.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Acajack View Post
Generally speaking, yes. Though taken to the extreme you get into "diminishing returns".
I mean, you're talking to someone who doesn't really believe in the notion of Canadian as it pertains to people. We all happen to live in Canada but we're all a mash of whatever our background is. It's a shared-experience with wildly different language, cultural, and social backings. Canadian is a blank slate that can be whatever we want it to be on that day, for better or for worse.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:52 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.