Speech pattern and typographical variations across Canada

[RueBulmer]

Originally Posted by Acajack

FYI in Quebec French, a ''cottage'' (pronounced cot-taydge) is a term you sometimes hear for a two-storey detached house. It's not anything rustic at all.

A rustic cottage or cabin is a ''chalet'' as most people would know I guess.

Depends. Your definition is mostly correct. I've seen people, relatives from Ottawa (Kanata), observe a "for sale" sign in front of a duplex converted to a single family home, and to drive that point home and distinguish it from the one nextdoor, the agent placed a big sticker that read COTTAGE on the sign. One confused relative from Kanata asked if they were including a country house in the sale.

On the other hand, I've noticed a few francophones around our family "chalet" near St. Donat refer to theirs as "notre cottaydge"

[SignalHillHiker]

One from Montreal.

The man's accent does exist in St. John's, but these women are 100% rural. There's something about where in the throat/nose their voice is that is common on the Burin Peninsula but not found, ever, in the city.

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[SignalHillHiker]

Oh Jesus.

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[RueBulmer]

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

One from Montreal.

The man's accent does exist in St. John's, but these women are 100% rural. There's something about where in the throat/nose their voice is that is common on the Burin Peninsula but not found, ever, in the city.

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Hilarious!

I can't place where he is driving.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by RueBulmer

On the other hand, I've noticed a few francophones around our family "chalet" near St. Donat refer to theirs as "notre cottaydge"

OK. I've never heard a francophone refer to a chalet as a cottaydge, at least not when speaking in French.

But of course anything is possible!

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

Absolutely not. Australian is very distinct. Ya know "G'Day"... "Throw some shrimp on the barbie", etc., etc.

Very distinct accent and idioms. That said, I can't tell the difference between an Australian and New Zealander. It certainly does exist... but not to my ear.

The U.S. South has numerous "accents" ranging from the "Deep South" to Texas to... Hope ya get my drift.

You're right about "Strine". It's very different from the accents of the Southern US. You can't really confuse one for the other.

OTOH, Strine is uncommonly twangy for an accent that is part of the British ''accent family".

[RueBulmer]

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

Oh Jesus.

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"What a sin. Too oicey for him"

[RueBulmer]

Originally Posted by Acajack

OK. I've never heard a francophone refer to a chalet as a cottaydge, at least not when speaking in French.

But of course anything is possible!

Maybe we Anglo neighbours influenced them. All kidding aside, I have heard it in the workplace as well, albeit workplaces that were heavily Anglo.

One that I used to hear in childhood, in French and English, was CAMP. Haven't heard it in decades.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

Can't disagree with ya there. That said, an ONer in BC will stand out... not because of any "accent" but because of just one word - "cottage" as in cottage country. Out here in BC, cottage is only typically utilized in terms of cottage cheese. And that's about it.

Out here in BC... "cottage" is "cabin". When someone out here utilizes "cottage" in the cabin context... it's akin to an ONer leaving their fingerprints at a crime scene.

"Cottage", "cabin", or "camp" - it depends on what part of the country you are in.

[rousseau]

Originally Posted by Acajack

You're right about "Strine". It's very different from the accents of the Southern US. You can't really confuse one for the other.

OTOH, Strine is uncommonly twangy for an accent that is part of the British ''accent family".

It's basically Cockney.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Acajack

FYI in Quebec French, a ''cottage'' (pronounced cot-taydge) is a term you sometimes hear for a two-storey detached house. It's not anything rustic at all.

A rustic cottage or cabin is a ''chalet'' as most people would know I guess.

That usage would be borrowed from British English. In English Canada, you'd recognize it if it were used that way (referring to a rural house in England, probably), but it wouldn't occur to you to apply the term to a principal residence of whatever style in Canada.

[RueBulmer]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

That usage would be borrowed from British English. In English Canada, you'd recognize it if it were used that way (referring to a rural house in England, probably), but it wouldn't occur to you to apply the term to a principal residence of whatever style in Canada.

You see it often in Montreal real estate listings, in English. Bungalow versus cottage.

[Stingray2004]

Originally Posted by rousseau

It's basically Cockney.

Cockney? Gotta tell ya that is my most disliked accent in the entire English lingua. Period. Again, old London "working class" Cockney is completely distinct from Aussie.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by rousseau

It's basically Cockney.

Indeed it is. But more twangy IMO.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

Cockney? Gotta tell ya that is my most disliked accent in the English lingua. Period. Again, London Cockney is completely distinct from Aussie.

Well, linguists will tell you that the accent that has become generalized as the standard Australian one has many of its roots in Cockney.

[Acajack]

I once worked with a guy who was from East End London and when I first met him I thought he was Australian.

When I asked him, he said: ''Nope. Never been there but the part of London I am from is where the Australian accent (mostly) originated from."

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by RueBulmer

You see it often in Montreal real estate listings, in English. Bungalow versus cottage.

Yes, but Anglo Montreal also has "dossiers" and "subventions", so they've pretty much lost any linguistic credibitlity!

[rousseau]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

That usage would be borrowed from British English. In English Canada, you'd recognize it if it were used that way (referring to a rural house in England, probably), but it wouldn't occur to you to apply the term to a principal residence of whatever style in Canada.

No, but on the other hand there is an architectural style called an "Ontario Cottage" that people learn when they first go out house-hunting.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Cottage

It gets called a "Gothic Cottage" on this excellent website: http://www.ontarioarchitecture.com/gothicottage.htm. But nobody actually calls them that. We use "Ontario Cottage" instead. You don't actually see them much in Toronto, but they're all over smaller towns

[rousseau]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

Cockney? Gotta tell ya that is my most disliked accent in the English lingua. Period. Again, old London "working class" Cockney is completely distinct from Aussie.

Nope. Aussie is basically a differently evolved version of Cockney, innit.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

That usage would be borrowed from British English. In English Canada, you'd recognize it if it were used that way (referring to a rural house in England, probably), but it wouldn't occur to you to apply the term to a principal residence of whatever style in Canada.

It's interesting how certain British words are still used in Quebec by francophones.

For example, no one in Anglo-Canada says ''bloke'' for ''guy''.

Though it's largely died out, as recently as the 80s and 90s, ''bloke'' was a common slur for anglophones in Quebec.

As in ''esti de bloke!".

I haven't heard that in ages, although maybe that has something to do with the circles I am in!