101/102 Interchange Remake

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by q12

Here is the interchange before the entire Bi-Hi was twinned in the early 60's. Notice the overpass was built over a short twinned section of the 102 Bi-Hi.


Orientation: Looking North on the 102 before the Bedford Bypass was built. Rifle range/ Sackville on left. Bedford Highway on right.

The road to the left just after the interchange is Range Rd.

[Dengler Avenue]

IMO the rifle range should just be connected by extended Bridge Street under 102. It should have no business with that interchange.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

IMO the rifle range should just be connected by extended Bridge Street under 102. It should have no business with that interchange.

Draw it out....

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Draw it out....

Just imagine it yourself. Poke a hole under 102 (south of Sackville River) and call it a day. I'm brain fried from that drawing.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Just imagine it yourself. Poke a hole under 102 (south of Sackville River) and call it a day. I'm brain fried from that drawing.

Providing you keep it high, it is doable. I have seen the range flood a few times.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Providing you keep it high, it is doable. I have seen the range flood a few times.

102 south of that interchange has some substandard curve. I imagine that NSDOT will do some serious blasting to make it 3+3 or 2+2+2+2 in the future. In that case, it's possible that the 102 will be raised a bit higher.
And, as you said, Appalachian hills are easier to blast than Canadian Shield and more stable than the Rockies, so it shouldn't be too much of a hassle.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

102 south of that interchange has some substandard curve. I imagine that NSDOT will do some serious blasting to make it 3+3 or 2+2+2+2 in the future. In that case, it's possible that the 102 will be raised a bit higher.

If that is the case, why not have the 102 as the one on top?

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

If that is the case, why not have the 102 as the one on top?

On the top where? The access to Rifle Range will go under the 102. As for the interchange, lol switching positions is too much work.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

On the top where? The access to Rifle Range will go under the 102. As for the interchange, lol switching positions is too much work.

Have a bridge that puts the 102 above the rest. Ramps down to other places and then back up from them would be a start. Then fit the range road in somewhere.

[Dengler Avenue]

By the way, I have included a table of content of all drawings so far in #1 for references.

[alps]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

IMO the rifle range should just be connected by extended Bridge Street under 102. It should have no business with that interchange.

I can't see that ever being a priority. The range must generate incredibly minimal traffic. The last time we built an underpass under the 102 it ended up costing $16 million, and that was ten years ago.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by alps

I can't see that ever being a priority. The range must generate incredibly minimal traffic. The last time we built an underpass under the 102 it ended up costing $16 million, and that was ten years ago.

I'm just thinking that, if we're gonna redo 101-Bedford/102, we may as well take care of that because providing access from the interchange really complicates things.

[OldDartmouthMark]

Originally Posted by q12

Here is the interchange before the entire Bi-Hi was twinned in the early 60's. Notice the overpass was built over a short twinned section of the 102 Bi-Hi.


Orientation: Looking North on the 102 before the Bedford Bypass was built. Rifle range/ Sackville on left. Bedford Highway on right.

Great pic q12! I hadn't seen that one before. It's cool to see how they were planning to twin the highway when they built it. But not so cool that they didn't seem to imagine the challenges of the small merge areas when the twinned highway finally started to experience its capacity a couple decades later.

Would you have a link to the source? I'd like to have a copy of that photo for my personal archives without the red arrow in it.

So does anybody know the year it was built? You can see that traffic volumes were not so much at the time or perhaps the photo was taken on a Sunday morning (Sundays were 'dead' back in the day, unlike now). Also the Mini Countryman is neat to see as they were not all that common. The other car in the foreground is a 1960 Buick.

[Dengler Avenue]

Does anyone want to make a pros-and-cons evaluations of every drawing thus far?

[OldDartmouthMark]

Originally Posted by OldDartmouthMark

Would you have a link to the source?

Found it:
http://digitalcollections.halifaxpub...ndle/10960/723

[q12]

Originally Posted by OldDartmouthMark

Great pic q12! I hadn't seen that one before. It's cool to see how they were planning to twin the highway when they built it. But not so cool that they didn't seem to imagine the challenges of the small merge areas when the twinned highway finally started to experience its capacity a couple decades later.

Would you have a link to the source? I'd like to have a copy of that photo for my personal archives without the red arrow in it.

So does anybody know the year it was built? You can see that traffic volumes were not so much at the time or perhaps the photo was taken on a Sunday morning (Sundays were 'dead' back in the day, unlike now). Also the Mini Countryman is neat to see as they were not all that common. The other car in the foreground is a 1960 Buick.

Here is the link. The library seems to think this was taken in 1960.

http://digitalcollections.halifaxpub...ndle/10960/723

Here is another 1960's photo showing the start of the bi hi twinned.


http://digitalcollections.halifaxpub...ndle/10960/389

Both of those were postcards I believe.

These two are from N.S. Archives:

1958

Construction of the BiHi and Hammonds Plains Road interchange
https://archives.novascotia.ca/commu...chives/?ID=488

1958

Construction of the BiHi and Kearney Lake Road interchange
https://archives.novascotia.ca/commu...chives/?ID=489

[OldDartmouthMark]

Wow! Those are great photos.

Thanks very much for finding them, and thanks for the links!

[Dengler Avenue]

*disgust* Kearney Lake Road looks so windy.

[q12]

Some more early 60's Bi-Hi photos:

Either 1963 or 1964

Love the old speed limit signs.


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1963-04-26

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[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by q12

Some more early 60's Bi-Hi photos:

Either 1963 or 1964

Love the old speed limit signs.

50+ years later and it still looks the same.