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peanut gallery · #**2821** Posted **Oct 26, 2015, 4:07 AM**

You get a sense of the effect from the light wells. That will be a nice feature.

fimiak · #**2822** Posted **Nov 16, 2015, 12:12 AM**

Looking down from SFMOMA

The next one is so epic. Just imagine getting off your train from Los Angeles and you arrive in the heart of an ultra modern downtown.

The bus bridge.

181 Fremont is already looking massive.

Progress as of today. They will probably finish the steel construction on this by the end of the year. There looks like there is still a lot to be done on the lower level before they work on the upper floors.

cv94117 · #**2823** Posted **Nov 16, 2015, 5:14 AM**

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The next one is so epic. Just imagine getting off your train from Los Angeles and you arrive in the heart of an ultra modern downtown.[/QUOTE]

Except this won't happen for decades, if ever.

tateyb · #**2824** Posted **Dec 2, 2015, 5:27 PM**

Transbay Transit Center Engineer Describes Design Innovations and Challenges

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Toronto-based CAST CONNEX has provided their unique expertise and services in bringing these architecturally exposed cast steel nodes to life. SkyriseCities recently sat down with Carlos de Oliveira, Chief Executive Officer and Principal Structural Engineer of CAST CONNEX, who shed some light onto the project's intricate form and the challenges his company faced throughout the realization of the development.

BrownTown · #**2825** Posted **Dec 2, 2015, 9:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by fimiak

The next one is so epic. Just imagine getting off your train from Los Angeles and you arrive in the heart of an ultra modern downtown.

Hope you're young if you want to every actually experience that. It will be 15 years before you can even take a train from anywhere into here let alone one from Los Angeles. By the time CAHSR is built (if ever) this building will be grimy and run down and filled with homeless like almost all other big bus stations like it are.

fflint · #**2826** Posted **Dec 2, 2015, 9:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by BrownTown

Hope you're young if you want to every actually experience that. It will be 15 years before you can even take a train from anywhere into here let alone one from Los Angeles. By the time CAHSR is built (if ever) this building will be grimy and run down and filled with homeless like almost all other big bus stations like it are.

That "bus station" will have commuter rail service well before your pessimistic 15 year prognostication.

cv94117 · #**2827** Posted **Dec 3, 2015, 12:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by fflint

That "bus station" will have commuter rail service well before your pessimistic 15 year prognostication.

You don't know much about the project if you think that. There is no money to build the tunnel and there is no money to run the facility without high speed rail passenger revenue. The entire plan was based on (very optimistic) HSR revenue projections and Caltrain was just along for the ride. Without HSR revenue or massive funding from somewhere else, this facility can't operate. It may happen eventually but not in 15 years.

fflint · #**2828** Posted **Dec 3, 2015, 12:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by cv94117

You don't know much about the project if you think that. There is no money to build the tunnel and there is no money to run the facility without high speed rail passenger revenue. The entire plan was based on (very optimistic) HSR revenue projections and Caltrain was just along for the ride. Without HSR revenue or massive funding from somewhere else, this facility can't operate. It may happen eventually but not in 15 years.

Caltrain is expected to serve Transbay before CAHSR, not vice-versa. Electrification should be complete by late 2019, before which Caltrain cannot run underground in the first place.

simms3_redux · #**2829** Posted **Dec 3, 2015, 1:52 AM**

Still requires funding for electrification, however what you're seeing today are companies ponying up to get things done and taxpayers enthusiastic about funding transit measures when they come up (hint hint Caltrain, BART, and MUNI). Also, new change of leadership at TBJPA as of the past 30 days. It has not been without its challenges, but we are no longer in the era of "just go do it" and SF's version of liberal/progressive politics in particular is not one conducive to anything involving actual construction or progress (mirrored by NYC and Boston as well to point out the more widespread flaws of today's overreaching political infrastructure).

cv94117 · #**2830** Posted **Dec 3, 2015, 4:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by fflint

Caltrain is expected to serve Transbay before CAHSR, not vice-versa. Electrification should be complete by late 2019, before which Caltrain cannot run underground in the first place.

That's the point. Even if Caltrain completes the electrification, it does not have the money to operate the tunnel or Transbay train station levels without HSR.

botoxic · #**2831** Posted **Dec 3, 2015, 5:50 AM**

The Caltrain electrification package went out to bid earlier this year, and contractors submitted proposals a few months ago. The funding sources appeared solid. An award is expected this month, with work to begin in early 2016. The only potential derailment (ha ha) I could possibly foresee would be if all proposals came in disproportionally over the engineer's estimate.

BrownTown · #**2832** Posted **Dec 3, 2015, 6:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by fflint

That "bus station" will have commuter rail service well before your pessimistic 15 year prognostication.

Untrue. The current preliminary schedules show ~15 years until there is commuter rail, but judging by pretty much any other major infrastructure project the reality is more like 20 years. Right now bringing rail to the bus station is a technical concept, there is no funding or design and no real political force even pushing that hard for it.

brantw · #**2833** Posted **Dec 16, 2015, 8:36 PM**

Inside the belly of the beast... from today:

botoxic · #**2834** Posted **Dec 17, 2015, 6:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by botoxic

The Caltrain electrification package went out to bid earlier this year, and contractors submitted proposals a few months ago. The funding sources appeared solid. An award is expected this month, with work to begin in early 2016. The only potential derailment (ha ha) I could possibly foresee would be if all proposals came in disproportionally over the engineer's estimate.

I attended an industry event last week where I was told that indeed, the Caltrain electrification project is on indefinite hold due to financing concerns. The JPB still hopes to award in mid-to-late 2016, but the contractors involved do not sound optimistic regarding the project's future.