The 401 - Page 43

wave46 · #**841** Posted **Feb 1, 2021, 7:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

https://www.clickondetroit.com/resiz...QRFY7IQ47Q.jpg

This is my first time seeing the detailed design on the U.S. side. Won’t cross-border traffic back up on I-75?

Are we talking about Canadian bound traffic or US-bound traffic clogging I-75?

The flow to Canada has nothing to obstruct it except for the turns. For all the border is busy, it's not major freeway-to-freeway style volume. Trucks will keep moving, so any backup will likely be on the bridge itself before the inspection station.

The US-bound traffic gets broken up by stopping at the stations. It also can split going east and west on I-75. Again, the risk of backups is reduced, except on the bridge.

I don't know how the volume on I-75 is, so I can't comment there.

Djeffery · #**842** Posted **Feb 2, 2021, 1:55 AM**

It's hard to tell, but it almost looks like you can go directly on the bridge from the US side without stopping ((unless you want to hit duty free). Maybe pay the toll on the Canadian side right before hitting customs. If so, then there really shouldn't be any backup to the highway unless it is an unusually busy travel day.

Dengler Avenue · #**843** Posted **Feb 2, 2021, 1:58 AM**

Oh right. Coming from Michigan, one doesn't stop until the Canadian POE.
I haven't crossed the border for a long time...

MolsonExport · #**844** Posted **Feb 9, 2021, 5:44 PM**

why is the USA POE so much larger than its Canadian counterpart?

ScreamingViking · #**845** Posted **Feb 9, 2021, 7:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by MolsonExport

why is the USA POE so much larger than its Canadian counterpart?

According to this deck (slides 10 & 11) the US POE is about 14% larger, 148 acres vs. 130. It may be that the shape of the Canadian one makes it look much smaller than that, plus it appears the US facility will contain more open space along the property edges.

The Canadian POE looks like it will be massive compared to the existing one at the Ambassador Bridge.

haljackey · #**846** Posted **Feb 9, 2021, 8:30 PM**

Also 'Murica

Homeland Security wants to look tougher than Canadian Border Services.

Reminds me of this scene/meme from Spongebob

Loco101 · #**847** Posted **Feb 10, 2021, 3:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by wave46

Are we talking about Canadian bound traffic or US-bound traffic clogging I-75?

The flow to Canada has nothing to obstruct it except for the turns. For all the border is busy, it's not major freeway-to-freeway style volume. Trucks will keep moving, so any backup will likely be on the bridge itself before the inspection station.

The US-bound traffic gets broken up by stopping at the stations. It also can split going east and west on I-75. Again, the risk of backups is reduced, except on the bridge.

I don't know how the volume on I-75 is, so I can't comment there.

I haven't been that way for a few years but the last time I drove it I remember it being 8 lanes, 4 each way. I did read somewhere that it has been under construction for awhile and in anticipation of the new bridge with lanes for merging, new overpasses and a design for a large number of transports being on it. I don't ever remember it being extremely busy on that portion of I-75 that adding big trucks would make it all that bad.

wave46 · #**848** Posted **Feb 10, 2021, 4:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by MolsonExport

why is the USA POE so much larger than its Canadian counterpart?

You can bulldoze larger sections of Detroit and people will still regard it as an improvement?

Windsor had a number of businesses that abutted that corridor, so knocking them over is harder to do.

Dengler Avenue · #**849** Posted **Feb 10, 2021, 5:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Loco101

I haven't been that way for a few years but the last time I drove it I remember it being 8 lanes, 4 each way. I did read somewhere that it has been under construction for awhile and in anticipation of the new bridge with lanes for merging, new overpasses and a design for a large number of transports being on it. I don't ever remember it being extremely busy on that portion of I-75 that adding big trucks would make it all that bad.

Oh yea, I remember that section of I-75 closed for years.

ScreamingViking · #**850** Posted **Feb 12, 2021, 9:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by wave46

You can bulldoze larger sections of Detroit and people will still regard it as an improvement?

Windsor had a number of businesses that abutted that corridor, so knocking them over is harder to do.

The Delray neighbourhood the U.S. facility will be built upon was an interesting mix of empty lots (where homes once stood), burnt-out shells, decrepit houses, and the occasional well-kept dwelling.

tyeman200 · #**851** Posted **Feb 14, 2021, 10:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by wave46

You can bulldoze larger sections of Detroit and people will still regard it as an improvement?

Windsor had a number of businesses that abutted that corridor, so knocking them over is harder to do.

Exactly, if you look over at that part of Detroit, its literally abandoned neighbourhoods.

yupislyr · #**852** Posted **Feb 16, 2021, 4:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by Blitz

The widening of the 401 is between Tilbury and London...that has nothing to do with Windsor. There would be no reason for traffic to spike after that stretch was built because there is still a bottleneck where trucks are forced onto a CITY street.

If anyone thinks Windsor has been given its share of provincial infrastructure dollars over the years, I'd respectfully disagree. We have had to deal with these polluting, belching trucks on city streets (going right past a high school for God's sake) for 60 YEARS because the province lacked the brainpower to connect the busiest highway with the busiest border crossing.

I'll have to try rediscover the articles again some time but years ago I found some old news stories that stated that the 401 ended where it did and remained that way for decades because of overwhelming public outcry from residents along the old highway 3 route. Especially on the outskirts of the city.

Dengler Avenue · #**853** Posted **Feb 23, 2021, 12:56 AM**

https://hwy401belleville.ca/wp-conte...hgCr7uF7g095fg
widening through belleville

wave46 · #**854** Posted **Feb 23, 2021, 1:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

https://hwy401belleville.ca/wp-conte...hgCr7uF7g095fg
widening through belleville

I think the interchange at Highway 62 is one of the last cloverleafs on the 400-series highways.

Good to see this area getting some attention. Some of the geometry is pretty substandard and anything that cuts down on weaving for tightly-spaced interchanges is a win in my books.

Dengler Avenue · #**855** Posted **Feb 23, 2021, 3:02 PM**

Indeed. With a mall nearby though, if going from 62 north to 401 west requires a left turn, there needs to be 2 left turn lanes just like nearly all the surrounding intersections.

wave46 · #**856** Posted **Feb 23, 2021, 4:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Indeed. With a mall nearby though, if going from 62 north to 401 west requires a left turn, there needs to be 2 left turn lanes just like nearly all the surrounding intersections.

It looks like that could be rectified pretty easily.

Looking at the preferred plan, it looks pretty well done. The MTO does a decent job overall.

I'm mostly at the point of quibbles here. I've always preferred dedicated entry/exit lanes and given the spacing between 62 to 401W on-ramp and the 401W to 37 off-ramp (~700m), I wonder why they chose to run a shared lane. Maybe for trucks, I guess.

Dengler Avenue · #**857** Posted **Feb 23, 2021, 5:52 PM**

That's probably just legacy infrastructure built during a time when traffic was little.

CF1Fan · #**858** Posted **Feb 24, 2021, 5:22 AM**

Any timeline on that project? I remember hearing about it in 2018 or so and nothing has happened since then.

Amaterasu07 · #**859** Posted **Feb 26, 2021, 2:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

https://hwy401belleville.ca/wp-conte...hgCr7uF7g095fg
widening through belleville

Thank goodness! It's about time something was done about these two interchanges... The amount of weaving that comes about as a result of this section of highway is crazy. The cloverleaf for Hwy 62 is one thing, but then there's the proximity of the other interchange, for Hwy 37, which shares one of the auxiliary lanes with the cloverleaf...

Add on top of that the number of people that speed on this section of highway all the time, and the slower drivers, and it's a recipe for disaster...

EDIT: There's also a slight dip into the river valley that the 401 crosses here, between the two interchanges, so that makes it that much easier to speed on this section of highway as well. And when there are two transport trucks trying to pass each other on this section of highway... well... yikes.

Dengler Avenue · #**860** Posted **Feb 26, 2021, 3:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by Amaterasu07

Thank goodness! It's about time something was done about these two interchanges... The amount of weaving that comes about as a result of this section of highway is crazy. The cloverleaf for Hwy 62 is one thing, but then there's the proximity of the other interchange, for Hwy 37, which shares one of the auxiliary lanes with the cloverleaf...

Add on top of that the number of people that speed on this section of highway all the time, and the slower drivers, and it's a recipe for disaster...

EDIT: There's also a slight dip into the river valley that the 401 crosses here, between the two interchanges, so that makes it that much easier to speed on this section of highway as well. And when there are two transport trucks trying to pass each other on this section of highway... well... yikes.

Not even. When someone comes in from 62 to 401E, trucks move into the left lane already.