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Old Posted Feb 25, 2021, 8:49 PM
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This is it. Two sentence email the day before Council from their consultant saying the landowner had changed their mind. No explanation as to why. Makes no sense to proceed with a plan for the area if the landowner that owns everything isn't interested so I removed it from the agenda. I asked prior to the meeting if the report should be tabled (tabled reports basically go into limbo and only come back if Council asks for them), but the procedural advice was that it should be removed from the agenda so that's what happened.
Removed without explanation. No reason to remove without an explanation for the public record. The removal should have been handled by the Clerk and the Solicitor indicating the receipt of correspondence and the options available to the council.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2021, 1:44 AM
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Removed without explanation. No reason to remove without an explanation for the public record. The removal should have been handled by the Clerk and the Solicitor indicating the receipt of correspondence and the options available to the council.
My words at Council: "Thank you Mr. Mayor. I would like to remove 11.2 the Mic Mac Mall Future Growth Node. The property owner has had seconds thoughts on that one." That's an explanation and this is how the Clerk and Solicitor advised we should handle it.
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Old Posted Mar 2, 2021, 5:17 PM
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I think figuring where to place and how to integrate a new transit terminal on this site should be one of the first things looked at by the consultant team. Figure out a road layout, transit terminal and then work everything else out based on how those will work.

I also think a pedestrian bridge over the highway to link up to Shubie Park trails would create a great asset for this site and its future residents.
Why a bridge over eight lanes of highway when there is a perfectly fine underpass there now to use to get to Shubie trails?
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2021, 8:24 PM
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While unrelated, perhaps, to Ivanhoé Cambridge's aborted Future Growth Node plan, I wanted to weigh in on Mic Mac's ugly step child, the Hudson's Bay store. With the recent renovations to MMM complete, the HBC store, tucked at the west end of the mall, stands out, and not in a good way. The store's exterior is effectively unchanged since it opened as Simpsons' second metro location in 1973. While HBC swallowed Simpsons in 1978, and rebranded the remaining stores in 1991, it did nothing more than change the name. The brick, the marquees, even the exterior doors, are all 48 years old and in poor condition. It's been 10 years since HBC closed its Halifax Shopping Centre location, and eight years since it dropped "The Bay" branding, and it has not seen fit to even update the signage at the Dartmouth store.

While I'm sure Ivanhoé Cambridge is happy to have the tenant (although there have been stories of HBC in disputes with its landlords over the last year) surely they are acutely aware that the faded, grimy brickwork at the HBC end of the mall is in sorry contrast to the renovated parts of the mall. HBC this week reported another dismal quarter while launching a new online shopping portal. The Dartmouth and Sydney stores are the last remaining HBC properties east of Québec. It's hard to see much of a future for what must be the city's last upscale-ish department store.



The MicMac HBC south entrance. To the left of the door is the amputated trunk of one of the graceful pine trees that once bracketed the entrances. Source: The Chronicle Herald



The west side of the HBC features painted plywood, covering the entryway and windows of the former store dining room, Eggcetera, closed (I believe) in the early to mid-90s. Source: The Chronicle Herald.



The sign marquee over the north entrance shows the brackets still in place from the former Simpsons signage, removed 30 years ago. Source: Google
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2021, 2:01 AM
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I personally think the mall is afraid to push the Bay to make any updates or changes because they are afraid of losing this anchor as well. Mall rules state you must update you store every five years or so, and the bay hasn't in well over a decade. Flooring inside has tape covering cracked tiles and has for multiple years.
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2021, 1:35 PM
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I have the impression that The Bay is on its last legs. I went in a couple of weeks ago and found that upstairs was pretty much devoid of stock. Maybe it's just a temporary symptom of supply chain problems caused by COVID, but it really did feel like they were basically clearing the place out.
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2021, 2:49 PM
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I have the impression that The Bay is on its last legs. I went in a couple of weeks ago and found that upstairs was pretty much devoid of stock. Maybe it's just a temporary symptom of supply chain problems caused by COVID, but it really did feel like they were basically clearing the place out.
Seems like their main money maker is the downstairs clothing departments, only thing upstairs that might be making money is their kitchen dept. They got rid of appliances and their furniture is overpriced for what you get, only exception being some of their sofas.

I could see them downsizing to just 1 level, I believe they have done some renovations in the lower level.
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I fear that one side effect of covid will be a vast reduction in brick and mortar shops. While online shopping is fine for some things, it's not so good for others, especially clothing, shoes, etc., as appearance and fit are best checked pre-purchase. Not to mention the loss of retail jobs when a large store such as The Bay goes away. Just my ramblings...

FWIW, I've always liked the layout of the Mic Mac Mall (or is it Miꞌkmaq Mall?) Bay store, with its separate entrance. There's always a good place to park and you can choose an entrance near the department that you want to shop in, if you're just going for something specific. Plus, it's less busy than the other mall entrances - but that's just me. I hope the Bay store can hang on, as it's getting harder to find large stores that sell goods higher than Walmart level junk (although that's not to say all stuff in Walmart is crap, but a good amount of it is). Maybe I'm just showing my age, though...
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2021, 9:54 PM
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In 2015 MMM was assessed at $200,058,000 since then the assessment has been on a downward trajectory each year and in 2021 it is now at $116,301,900. In 2021 the tax revenue is $2.3 million less than in 2015.
So what do we know about the recent and now defunct plan to consult citizens about how best to develop the whole property ?
We know that an Ivanhoe Cambridge hired ZZap to prepare and file an application to develop the site.
What we don't know is the date when ZZap was hired.
We don't know when they filed an application with HRM.
We don't know if any member of council was consulted
We don't know if any member of council provided verbal or written comments to Zzap
We don't know if any member of council talked with or exchanged correspondence with planning staff.
The Halifax Shopping Centre revamp is now the premier mall in Atlantic Canada and I doubt MicMacMall will ever be the destination that it once was.
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2021, 2:11 PM
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Amazing to see that they haven't even updated the branding to Hudson's Bay which was adopted in 2013. Here in BC the only locations that kept The Bay logos were stores that were set for demo or closure like Oakridge and Lougheed Mall. The fact that Mic Mac Mall still has The Bay logo could be very telling.
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