Global Cities Growth Rate Chart

Razor · #1 Posted **Nov 30, 2020, 10:45 PM**

Not sure if this has been posted before.

The future projections can be a moving target, but I found this interesting enough to share on here. Just plug in a city and go.
It's wild how both Toronto and Montreal were literally dead locked in the mid 70's.

https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/2...eau/population

GreaterMontréal · #2 Posted **Dec 1, 2020, 5:05 AM**

The population stats are off by a lot, at least for Montréal. In July 2019 Montréal was already at 4.318M, population growth +65.2k
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/...020003-eng.htm

they have it at 4.196M
https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/2...eal/population

Montréal was growing at a pretty good rate before the pandemic.
We had reasons to believe that the GMA would have hit 5M around 2030. Still possible with the new immigration target.

Razor · #3 Posted **Dec 1, 2020, 1:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

The population stats are off by a lot, at least for Montréal. In July 2019 Montréal was already at 4.318M, population growth +65.2k
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/...020003-eng.htm

they have it at 4.196M
https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/2...eal/population

Montréal was growing at a pretty good rate before the pandemic.
We had reasons to believe that the GMA would have hit 5M around 2030. Still possible with the new immigration target.

Before posting, I tested it out with Ottawa/Gat, and it seemed to make sense and lined up with past census numbers for previous years (2006,2001. etc.), but like you stated this could very well be just another BS chart..Oh well, was interesting to plug in various cities and check out.

Manitopiaaa · #4 Posted **Dec 1, 2020, 10:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

The population stats are off by a lot, at least for Montréal. In July 2019 Montréal was already at 4.318M, population growth +65.2k
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/...020003-eng.htm

they have it at 4.196M
https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/2...eal/population

Montréal was growing at a pretty good rate before the pandemic.
We had reasons to believe that the GMA would have hit 5M around 2030. Still possible with the new immigration target.

They use the UN population numbers, which are horrifically bad. They say the London Metropolitan Area has 9,304,000 people, for example, which is just the population of Greater London ignoring the 6-10 million people in surrounding suburbs.

Same for Seoul. The numbers (9,963,000) are Seoul city proper. The metro area is closer to 25 million.

Some cities are MSA, others are urban areas, others are city proper. There's no consistency.

Which is why the best thing to do is average Demographia with Citypopulation.de. That's what I do at least.

JoninATX · #5 Posted **Dec 2, 2020, 6:23 AM**

I thought something was off since they had Austin metro at 2 million this year when the current population is at 2.3 million. As for the foreseeable future, Austin growth rate will continue to skyrocket even during this pandemic.

Razor · #6 Posted **Dec 2, 2020, 5:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by JoninATX

I thought something was off since they had Austin metro at 2 million this year when the current population is at 2.3 million. As for the foreseeable future, Austin growth rate will continue to skyrocket even during this pandemic.

Yes Austin looks like it has a great future!

How accurate is that chart for Austin's historical figures?..Is it at least close?

Zeej · #7 Posted **Dec 2, 2020, 6:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

The population stats are off by a lot, at least for Montréal. In July 2019 Montréal was already at 4.318M, population growth +65.2k
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/...020003-eng.htm

they have it at 4.196M
https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/2...eal/population

Montréal was growing at a pretty good rate before the pandemic.
We had reasons to believe that the GMA would have hit 5M around 2030. Still possible with the new immigration target.

I find that many outlets misreport Montreal's population, despite retrieving it from the same source(s) as Toronto and Vancouver's.

austlar1 · #8 Posted **Dec 2, 2020, 7:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Razor

Yes Austin looks like it has a great future!

How accurate is that chart for Austin's historical figures?..Is it at least close?

I thought the figures for Austin circa 1950-2000 were a bit low but not by much.

ATXboom · #9 Posted **Dec 2, 2020, 7:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by austlar1

I thought the figures for Austin circa 1950-2000 were a bit low but not by much.

LOL... they project Austin will break 2.5M in 2033. I'd bet my kid's education that happens MUCH sooner... like 3-5 years.

MolsonExport · #10 Posted **Dec 2, 2020, 8:25 PM**

NYC and LA both show declines 2 years running

the NYC population seems smaller than I expected. I figured it was around 22-23 million in the metro

Ottawa seems about right. Montreal is within the ballpark if a little lower than other sources show

According to the information on that site, I was basically in Tokyo when that city peaked (2018, summer).

GreaterMontréal · #11 Posted **Dec 2, 2020, 9:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by MolsonExport

NYC and LA both show declines 2 years running

the NYC population seems smaller than I expected. I figured it was around 22-23 million in the metro

Ottawa seems about right. Montreal is within the ballpark if a little lower than other sources show

According to the information on that site, I was basically in Tokyo when that city peaked (2018, summer).

It's the projections that are wrong. Montréal was growing at a pace of about +650k/decade before the pandemic. It was the 6th fastest (+66k) growing Metropolitan Area in North America (Mexico not included) , 2 years in a row, just before the pandemic. Not only that but Toronto (+46k) and Montréal (+33k) were the 2 fastest growing cities in North America. The city of Montréal had just reach 1.8M in 2019, Island 2.1M

The projections for 2030 are off by about 500k.

Razor · #12 Posted **Dec 3, 2020, 12:38 AM**

I think that this is interesting to check out for the historic numbers, and not so much for future predictions.

R1070 · #13 Posted **Dec 3, 2020, 2:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by ATXboom

LOL... they project Austin will break 2.5M in 2033. I'd bet my kid's education that happens MUCH sooner... like 3-5 years.

These numbers are definitely wrong. They have the 2020 DFW numbers off by nearly 1.5 million. I assume the 2020 numbers for the area will be somewhere around 7.7 million.

Daniel Coulson · #14 Posted **Dec 9, 2020, 10:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by Razor

Not sure if this has been posted before.

The future projections can be a moving target, but I found this interesting enough to share on here. Just plug in a city and go.
It's wild how both Toronto and Montreal were literally dead locked in the mid 70's.

https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/2...eau/population

Macrotrends is pretty spotty with their data sources, as other replies have noted. As far as I'm aware there's no singular good source of cities' population that is accurate and has historical data.