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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 6:04 PM
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Why can't I see your picture? I can see other pictures on here.
Try a different browser. I tend to have issues with explorer, but never any problems with chrome
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 6:26 PM
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no wonder all the consternation over that thing. Not much of a way to get to it beyond a few two-lane roads
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Try a different browser. I tend to have issues with explorer, but never any problems with chrome
I'm also in Chrome but can't see it... weird. We must have some kind of strange browser blocker. I'm on my work computer so I'm not sure all of hte weird security settings they have in place.
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no wonder all the consternation over that thing. Not much of a way to get to it beyond a few two-lane roads
I mean yeah, did you think building an entire metropolitan skyline with zero transit access was a brilliant idea?
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2019, 3:29 AM
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I'm also in Chrome but can't see it... weird. We must have some kind of strange browser blocker. I'm on my work computer so I'm not sure all of hte weird security settings they have in place.
Ahhh... I do recall having some issues the few times I've checked at work. Probably security settings likes you suggest
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Try a different browser. I tend to have issues with explorer, but never any problems with chrome
Nevermind, it is working now, I didn't change anything. Thanks
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2019, 6:52 PM
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Thanks for those screenshots, rgarri!

While I support this development and others like it, you've got to admit how ridiculous this looks. If Chicago businesses and relocations continue, I expect the entire Chicago River to be built up... over the next 20-50 years! When that happens, this development will fit perfectly in. For the moment, I would rather see buildings of this scale fill in our surface lots in the West Loop up to the Kennedy, or The 78, or the River District. 600Ft skyscrapers look comical here.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2019, 7:23 PM
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Thanks for those screenshots, rgarri!

While I support this development and others like it, you've got to admit how ridiculous this looks. If Chicago businesses and relocations continue, I expect the entire Chicago River to be built up... over the next 20-50 years! When that happens, this development will fit perfectly in. For the moment, I would rather see buildings of this scale fill in our surface lots in the West Loop up to the Kennedy, or The 78, or the River District. 600Ft skyscrapers look comical here.
To be fair, this probably won't be built up entirely for at least 20 years.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2019, 8:04 PM
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To be fair, this probably won't be built up entirely for at least 20 years.
Exactly. Not only is this aspirational, but it's a very long-term plan and coincides with the River District and lots of one-off developments along the river. (All those empty lots and warehouses surround Lincoln Yards aren't going to stay that way)
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I would love SB to lose this TIF. This is not what TIFs are for.
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It's like we're adding an LA skyline to the mix.
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2019, 9:42 PM
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I would love SB to lose this TIF. This is not what TIFs are for.

Same.

Might be a long shot, but it would be well-deserved.
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I would love SB to lose this TIF. This is not what TIFs are for.
Want related and The 78 to be stripped of their too?
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I would love SB to lose this TIF. This is not what TIFs are for.
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Related's Clark-Roosevelt site ticks a lot more of the "blighted" designation boxes, including a complete absence of infrastructure. It's pretty unrealistic to expect it to develop but for the presence of a TIF.

The same is not true of land that's already served by streets and sewerage in between Lincoln Park and Bucktown.
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good take
I disagree, the property in the Lincoln Yard area up to this point have not been redeveloped by anyone. To have someone as reputable as SB take interest can not be ignored. Projects of this magnitude does not happen by osmosis. The alderman have information that we do not have, and they probably believe this is the time, the place , and the opportunity that may not pass this way again. Sure the T.I.F amount is high, but the potential to recover and increase the value at Lincoln Yards out weigh the risk, and the wait..they believe.
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Related's Clark-Roosevelt site ticks a lot more of the "blighted" designation boxes, including a complete absence of infrastructure. It's pretty unrealistic to expect it to develop but for the presence of a TIF.

The same is not true of land that's already served by streets and sewerage in between Lincoln Park and Bucktown.
^^ This.
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2019, 3:38 PM
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It's pretty unrealistic to expect it to develop but for the presence of a TIF.
Let's be honest. The "but-for" standard, as people like to use it, is nonsensical. In theory, any and all parcels can and likely will be developed at some point without subsidies, once demand is sufficient. The question is really when and at what intensity.

There is no way Lincoln Yards would be developed at this intensity and so soon without significant TIF subsidies.

Also, saying that the TIF wouldn't have qualified if we accounted for rising land prices, which are themselves a function of expectations regarding the TIF... By that logic, no TIF can ever be justified. This was a long time coming and expected by everyone. If you look at assessments the moment the TIF deal is about to be signed, it would be surprising if they didn't already significantly capitalize the revised expectations of accelerated development.
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2019, 4:05 PM
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I disagree, the property in the Lincoln Yard area up to this point have not been redeveloped by anyone. To have someone as reputable as SB take interest can not be ignored. Projects of this magnitude does not happen by osmosis. The alderman have information that we do not have, and they probably believe this is the time, the place , and the opportunity that may not pass this way again. Sure the T.I.F amount is high, but the potential to recover and increase the value at Lincoln Yards out weigh the risk, and the wait..they believe.

The area wasn't redeveloped because it was in a PMD (a PMD which had outlived its utility, most agree). TIFs aren't enacted because of a developer's 'reputability'. Projects of this magnitude largely happen because of economics - allow some room for sensible public investment where warranted, as well as developer vanity. This is a TIF that really doesn't pass the but-for standard, if applied in good faith and under both the letter and spirit of the legislation.
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