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Old Posted Jun 11, 2019, 5:06 PM
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Judge rules against park advocacy group.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2019, 5:26 PM
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2019, 5:33 PM
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WOOHOO!! let's get this thing started!
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2019, 5:36 PM
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Well there's that, then....
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2019, 5:44 PM
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I doubt the plaintiffs are going to give up so easily. They are zealots after all.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2019, 6:00 PM
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Appeals, the fed. review, Lightfoot wanting to go back to the table for a CBA...
Still might be a while.
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Appeals, the fed. review, Lightfoot wanting to go back to the table for a CBA...
Still might be a while.
So dumb. I'm no fan of Obama, and I don't like using park space for the library... but just build it and let's move on!
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Of course, if the plaintiffs truly had no chance at winning the case, the judge wouldn't have last week allowed it to proceed.
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^ Huh? Clearly the plantiffs did not have "no chance" at winning. That's what the comment was. Was not a prediction as to ruling.



For the Ten-millionth time, all of this (and it may very well not be over yet) could have been avoided with a smarter, more strategic site selection. While I'm not personally opposed to it going here in the end, it was a dumb, costly decision.
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2019, 3:48 AM
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Predictions were on page 45.

Plaintiffs are appealing, but I think the only hope now is a reëxamination by the Lightfoot Administration.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2019, 6:18 PM
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Protect Our Parks has Richard Epstein representing them in the appeal. Story from the Hyde Park Herald.

Epstein is a widely respected legal scholar, but I think his arguments here are rather weak. In the HPH story, he's just throwing all kinds of things at the wall, including questions of fact that an appellate court simply won't consider. Epstein had filed an amicus brief in the circuit court case with the curious argument that Mayor Emanuel, as Obama's former chief of staff, had a conflict of interest.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2019, 2:29 AM
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From the Tribune:
Building the Obama Presidential Center in Jackson Park will have an “adverse effect” on the park and on the adjacent Midway Plaisance, a new report by city officials for state and federal agencies has revealed.

But while the massive project would alter portions of the property that justified listing it on the National Register of Historic Places, the newly released report is just one step in the federal review process.
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Building the Obama center at the park “will have an adverse effect to Jackson Park Historic Landscape District and Midway Plaisance because it will alter, directly or indirectly, characteristics of the historic property that qualify it for inclusion in the National Register,” the report stated. “Primary physical changes that are concentrated in the western perimeter of Jackson Park and the eastern Midway Plaisance impact adjacent park areas including the Lagoons, Fields, and Lake Shore. The changes alter the legibility of the design of the cultural landscape in ways that diminish the overall integrity of spatial organization in the property as a whole.”
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Margaret Schmid of Jackson Park Watch said the report understates just how dramatic the traffic patterns would change because of the closure of Cornell Drive and other roads. She pointed out that the recreational changes written about in the report haven’t been approved by the National Park Service.
Link to Assessment of Effects to Historic Properties report
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Of all the complaints to have, claiming Cornell's closure is a big deal just seems downright silly and intentionally dishonest in my book.
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how City Hall isn't a unified voice on this at this point is kind of beyond me
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Gotta tell ya, I have no bones about seeing this thing killed. Presidential Library? Pfft.

Rather see upgrades to the park(s)

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how City Hall isn't a unified voice on this at this point is kind of beyond me
Where did you get the idea that City Hall has changed their stance on this?
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2019, 4:50 PM
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From the Tribune:
Building the Obama Presidential Center in Jackson Park will have an “adverse effect” on the park and on the adjacent Midway Plaisance, a new report by city officials for state and federal agencies has revealed.

But while the massive project would alter portions of the property that justified listing it on the National Register of Historic Places, the newly released report is just one step in the federal review process.
* * *
Building the Obama center at the park “will have an adverse effect to Jackson Park Historic Landscape District and Midway Plaisance because it will alter, directly or indirectly, characteristics of the historic property that qualify it for inclusion in the National Register,” the report stated. “Primary physical changes that are concentrated in the western perimeter of Jackson Park and the eastern Midway Plaisance impact adjacent park areas including the Lagoons, Fields, and Lake Shore. The changes alter the legibility of the design of the cultural landscape in ways that diminish the overall integrity of spatial organization in the property as a whole.”
* * *
Margaret Schmid of Jackson Park Watch said the report understates just how dramatic the traffic patterns would change because of the closure of Cornell Drive and other roads. She pointed out that the recreational changes written about in the report haven’t been approved by the National Park Service.
Link to Assessment of Effects to Historic Properties report
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^ I'm pretty sure that City Hall hasn't changed their stance at all.

This was a required step in the process for approval
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2019, 5:13 PM
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might just be the language.. hard not to say "adverse" when any construction in the park by definition would be so
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Pretty sure Cornel Dr cutting through has an "adverse effect" on the park too.
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