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Old Posted Aug 18, 2018, 11:50 AM
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You never know. People with extended stays visiting the city may still add it to their itinerary, long into the future after Obama's presidency has faded into the past. It can piggy back off the MSI, to which it is adjacent, and form something of a Museum Campus South.



Speaking of MSI, there was a time when that museum was Chicago's biggest tourist attraction, right? It's a great institution, but it's difficult to point to ways it "helped the neighborhood" the way it's suggested the Obama center will. It draws tons of tourists straight down Lake Shore Drive....and straight back up when they leave.
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Speaking of MSI, there was a time when that museum was Chicago's biggest tourist attraction, right? It's a great institution, but it's difficult to point to ways it "helped the neighborhood" the way it's suggested the Obama center will. It draws tons of tourists straight down Lake Shore Drive....and straight back up when they leave.
MSI is in Hyde Park which hasn't really needed help in a long time. Obama Library would be in Woodlawn which does need help. The easiest way how it helps is actually employing people who live in the general area. This is the easiest way to begin to improve someone's economic situation. I think they've talked about this before, and I think their plans for Chicago for the south side specifically are a bit more than this. If you want to help any neighborhood though, you start with getting people in that neighborhood some more jobs, which is what this can easily do.

What needs to happen near the Obama Library is that they need to put some places to eat. People love getting food after being somewhere for a few hours. I'm not saying it's going to get people hanging out in Woodlawn, but guaranteed it will get many people to spend a little more money and time in the area after (or maybe before). A neighborhood changing is a much bigger thing and a lot harder, but at least start with getting people some jobs who need it.
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2018, 2:27 PM
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Who is "they?" The Obama Center will have its own restaurant in the building. They're not going to be subsidizing some rival across the street. And where would a new restaurant even go? In front of the high school? Tear down the subsidized senior housing?

I want to imagine a better city 20 years from now, but I can't really absorb the idea that families from out of town are going to be persuaded by some Yelp review to—after visiting the OPC—go have a meal at some restaurant on 71st St.
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Who is "they?" The Obama Center will have its own restaurant in the building. They're not going to be subsidizing some rival across the street. And where would a new restaurant even go? In front of the high school? Tear down the subsidized senior housing?

I want to imagine a better city 20 years from now, but I can't really absorb the idea that families from out of town are going to be persuaded by some Yelp review to—after visiting the OPC—go have a meal at some restaurant on 71st St.
Who said anything about subsidizing? I never mentioned anything of the sort, and it would also be stupid. All I meant was that if a developer decided to open up something near there, it would persuade some people to spend a little money nearby. I never said it would change a neighborhood nor lead to a big influx of money. But thanks for putting words in my mouth.
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2018, 2:56 PM
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We've certainly seen the large number of restaurants that have thrived near the Museum of Science & Industry. Even during the decades when admission was free, and you could easily leave for lunch and come back.
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We've certainly seen the large number of restaurants that have thrived near the Museum of Science & Industry. Even during the decades when admission was free, and you could easily leave for lunch and come back.
Not sure if this was sarcastic.

MSI’s campus-like setting obviously puts it at a distance from Hyde Park’s restaurant scene. I once walked from MSI into Hyde Park and it was lengthy and terrible (partly because it was pretty cold that day), and that was me alone. Imagine a family with little kids.

Let’s not kid ourselves, the OCS will hardly drive up business to local shops. If Obama actually cared to achieve that (his actions suggest that he doesn’t), he would’ve found space in an existing commercial strip and created his self-monument there.

Instead, he’s going to have a Tower in a Park. People will go there, check it out, then get back in their cars (or the bus) and leave.
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Here's an example of something that is partially driven by the OPL:

https://chicago.curbed.com/2017/5/12...ersity-chicago

I haven't followed the project at all though so maybe it's super defunct now.
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Does anyone know if there is a planning meeting that is coming up soon for this?
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Not sure if this was sarcastic.

MSI’s campus-like setting obviously puts it at a distance from Hyde Park’s restaurant scene. I once walked from MSI into Hyde Park and it was lengthy and terrible (partly because it was pretty cold that day), and that was me alone. Imagine a family with little kids.

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Easiest from MSI is probably to walk up to 55th. But I generally agree. People without a specific plan to spend time in the area are more likely to venture out if they land at a commercial street rather than a park. And the location of the Metra or bus stop don't force visitors to walk past a commercial area. That said, some people who visit MSI do make plans to spend time in HP (Oriental Institute, Chicago campus, etc). I suspect the Obama visitors might skew more toward such people - e.g., less family focused, I would imagine. And MSI is an all-day visit for many so doesn't lend itself to multiple stop trips to the area. The Library could also try some area promotion that encourages visitors to spend more time

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September 18, 2018 12:07 PM |UPDATED 3 hours ago


City to offer Obama Center 99 years in Jackson Park for $10



The proposed ordinance gets the center one step closer to becoming a reality in the historic park.

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Old Posted Sep 19, 2018, 1:31 PM
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Sickening.
How so? This is very common practice for Chicago, and really across the nation.
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Honestly, let's dispatch the firing squad on the Protect Our Parks people. They are the absolute worst.

They cost the city who knows how many hundreds of millions of dollars by cock blocking the lucas museum, for an effing parking lot. And now they want to derail this monument to American achievement, one that will also generate who know how many hundreds of millions of dollars???? Die.
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Ah, the time-honored Chicago no-snitching code. When the mayor is suspected of violating the law, the immediate reaction is to attack those who called the police.
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Ah, the time-honored Chicago no-snitching code. When the mayor is suspected of violating the law, the immediate reaction is to attack those who called the police.
Lol nice try, bucko, but your sloppy mixed metaphor is way off the mark. This has nothing to do with policing or ferreting out corruption and everything to do with very small group of irrational naysayers preventing boatloads of progress for the rest of this fair city. So we get a tailgating parking lot instead of a world class tourist attraction; and for sure let's prevent the first black president from honoring his legacy of being the least corrupt politician we've seen in our lifetime. The group and the law it's cloaking itself suck.
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So you're only in favor of the rule of law when you agree with the verdict?
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So you're only in favor of the rule of law when you agree with the verdict?
Sounds like American politics
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So you're only in favor of the rule of law when you agree with the verdict?
I think you can admit that there are Permit Pattys out there who will use the law as a tool for harassment or simply to make life difficult for the other side in order to get what they want. We can all agree that the law needs to be respected; but a blind appeal to the law--without regard for the underlying justification for it or the context--is just legalism.
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So you're only in favor of the rule of law when you agree with the verdict?
You are like some kind of weird urban planning patent troll.

Just because something can be found to be "the law" in a court doesn't mean it is right or the best course of action. And yes, the State and City could have just changed the law to correct the loophole the parking lot fiends used, but how great would that have been, to break a policy designed to protect the public way just because some group of nitwits decided to abuse it to push their troll agenda?
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the State and City could have just changed the law to correct the loophole the parking lot fiends used
Yeah, you'll probably want to do further research before filing your amicus brief.

The Public Trust Doctrine is federal common law. It's doubtful that even Congress could change it.
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