Canadian LRT/RT projects U/C

[ericmacm]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Also, your start dates for the Yonge line and Scarborough subway are off.

The Scarborough subway is expected to see tunneling work begin in sping/summer 2021. the tunneling RFQ closes in a few weeks.

https://www.toronto.com/news-story/9...vid-19-crisis/


While a specific start date for the Yonge Line isn't available, I imagine it will be late 2021/early 2022, as it is planned to be completed in 2029/2030.

Good to know that they plan to start those works earlier. I didn't see any dates or that there were active RFQs for the projects, so I assumed they would be starting later, as the government has been more vocal about prioritizing the Line 5 West Extension and Ontario Line.

[Coldrsx]

Nearly there...








https://twitter.com/IanOyeg/status/1264713391140028416
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[J.OT13]

For those who are interested, a new version of GeoOttawa has been released, which includes an updated, more detailed, version of the "Rail Implementation Office" layer.

https://maps.ottawa.ca/geoOttawaBeta/

Notable changes to the track geometry in the west end alignment:

• Tracks under the Byron Strip come together in the tunnel and spread apart for the centre platform stations, as opposed to previous version where they stayed apart throughout the Byron alignment;
• The open trench of Cleary and New Orchard stations are much longer (200 meters and 175 meters respectively)*, which increases the impact on the park significantly;
• New Lincoln Fields configuration, with one side platform and one centre platform;
• Moodie platforms are offset;
• Modified configuration of Moodie Yard tracks.

*My interpretation based on the graphic.

Other notes

• Significant storage capacity at Baseline (6 to 8 double trains based on track length);
• Queensview now has side platforms, which is not a change from the previous version, but a change from February 2018 renderings;

See O-Train Fans map for previous version.

https://www.otrainfans.ca/system-map

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by ericmacm

I have put some work into updating the list, it's getting pretty large so I colour-coded it by city for easier visibility:

Under Construction:

• Edmonton - Valley Line Phase 1 (ETS) - 13 Stations - 13km - 2021
• Ottawa - Trillium Line Stage 2 South (OC Transpo) - 8 Stations - 16km - 2022
• Toronto - Line 5 Eglinton / Crosstown LRT (TTC) - 25 Stations - 19km - 2022
• Toronto - Line 6 Finch West / Finch LRT (TTC) - 18 Stations - 11km - 2023
• Montreal - Réseau Express Métropolitain (STM) - 26 Stations - 67km - 2023
• Mississauga - Hurontario LRT (Metrolinx) - 19 Stations - 18km - 2024
• Ottawa - Confederation Line Stage 2 East (OC Transpo) - 5 Stations - 12km - 2024
• Ottawa - Confederation Line Stage 2 West (OC Transpo) - 11 Stations - 15km - 2025

Planned:

• Vancouver - Millennium Line / Broadway Subway Phase 1 (TransLink) - 6 Stations - 5.7km - Start 2020
• Toronto - Ontario Line (Metrolinx) - 15 Stations - 15.5km - Start 2020/2021
• Montreal - Blue Line Extension (STM) - 5 Stations - 5.8km - Start 2021
• Quebec City - Tramway LRT (RTC) - 35 Stations - 22km - Start 2021/2022
• Edmonton - Valley Line Phase 2 (ETS) - 14 Stations - 16km - Start 2021/2022
• Edmonton - Metro Line Phase 2 (ETS) - 9 Stations - 11km - Start 2021/2022
• Toronto - Line 5 Eglinton / West Extension (TTC) - 7 Stations - 9.2km - Start 2021/2022
• Vancouver - Expo Line / Surrey Langley Line Phase 1 (TransLink) - 4 Stations - 7km - Start 2022
• Gatineau - Tramway Hull-Aylmer (STO) - 18 Stations - 26km - Start 2022/2023
• Calgary - Green Line (CT) - 28 Stations - 40km - Start 2023
• Toronto - Line 1 Yonge-University / Richmond Hill Extension - 6 Stations - 7.4km - Start 2025+
• Toronto - Line 2 Bloor-Danforth / Scarborough Extension - 3 Stations - 7.8km - Start 2025+
• Ottawa - Confederation Line Stage 3 Kanata (OC Transpo) - 8 Stations - 11km - Start 2025+
• Ottawa - Confederation Line Stage 3 Barrhaven (OC Transpo) - 7 Stations - 10km - Start 2025+
• Longueuil - LEEO (RTL) - 14 Stations - ??km - Start 2025+
• Kitchener-Waterloo - ION Phase 2 (Grand River Transit) - 8 Stations - 18km - Start 2025+

Completed:

• Edmonton - Metro Line (ETS) - 3 Stations - 3.3km - Opened September 6, 2015
• Vancouver - Evergreen Line (TransLink) - 6 Stations - 11km - Opened December 2, 2016
• Toronto - Line 1 Yonge-University / Vaughan Extension (TTC) - 6 Stations - 8.6km - Opened December 27, 2017
• Kitchener-Waterloo - ION Phase 1 (Grand River Transit) - 16 Stations - 19km - Opened June 21, 2019
• Ottawa - Confederation Line (OC Transpo) - 13 Stations - 12.5km - Opened September 14, 2019

With the possibility of a covid stimulus package being given by the federal government, and possibly some of the provincial governments, How many of those under the Planned section could be started within a year or so?

[foolworm]

For Edmonton, the Metro line Extension Phase 1 (1 station, 1.6 km) should have a start date of 2020. Phase 2 (9.5 km, 7 stations) won't happen until 2023/2024 at the earliest.

For Calgary, the Green Line Stage 1, Segment 1 (9 stations, 16 km) should have a start date of 2021/2022. Segment 2 (6 stations, 4 km) won't happen until 2023/2024 at the earliest.

[Truenorth00]

Is there any source for total amount of rapid transit mileage by city, including type?

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Is there any source for total amount of rapid transit mileage by city, including type?

I find Wikipedia to not be too bad to get it.

[p_xavier]

The list is missing the REM extensions/new lines.

[J.OT13]

Renderings from a Stage 2 West update. These are conceptual images of the infrastructure where the Confederation Line splits after Lincoln Fields. The ground alignment goes towards the Baseline terminus while the elevated fly-over goes towards Moodie terminus and Moodie Yards.





https://ottawa.ca/en/planning-develo...ng-2020-update

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

With the possibility of a covid stimulus package being given by the federal government, and possibly some of the provincial governments, How many of those under the Planned section could be started within a year or so?

In Ottawa, we could probably release an RFQ for the Kanata extension within a year should funding be secured. The Barrhaven extension isn't far behind. Gatineau's proposal hasn't advanced too much so far; they are still studying and consulting on the options to go all rail or a hybrid (one LRT branch and one BRT branch), along with the solution for the Ottawa portion (tunnel under Sparks or surface along Wellington). I would estimate, at the very least, two years before they are ready for RFQ, should funding be secured.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

In Ottawa, we could probably release an RFQ for the Kanata extension within a year should funding be secured. The Barrhaven extension isn't far behind. Gatineau's proposal hasn't advanced too much so far; they are still studying and consulting on the options to go all rail or a hybrid (one LRT branch and one BRT branch), along with the solution for the Ottawa portion (tunnel under Sparks or surface along Wellington). I would estimate, at the very least, two years before they are ready for RFQ, should funding be secured.

Watson has already said no Stage 3 without a Toronto-like deal. The city has already taken on over $3B in debt, with $7B in total spending for Stage 1 and Stage 2. This is a lot to take on in 15 years for a city of a million. Affording more would be very difficult without a substantially better deal from Queen's Park and the feds. Hopefully, Barrhaven or Kanata can be funded as a stimulus project.

[rbt]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Watson has already said no Stage 3 without a Toronto-like deal. The city has already taken on over $3B in debt, with $7B in total spending for Stage 1 and Stage 2. This is a lot to take on in 15 years for a city of a million. Affording more would be very difficult without a substantially better deal from Queen's Park and the feds. Hopefully, Barrhaven or Kanata can be funded as a stimulus project.

I agree with him. Ottawa would be wise to finish the study, set aside the corridor, and then park the plan for 15 to 20 years to let ridership grow. There's no real urgency; neither the buses or highways are crowded at those locations. Park & Ride lots, and local bus service are a reasonably workable temporary solution for those regions.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Watson has already said no Stage 3 without a Toronto-like deal. The city has already taken on over $3B in debt, with $7B in total spending for Stage 1 and Stage 2. This is a lot to take on in 15 years for a city of a million. Affording more would be very difficult without a substantially better deal from Queen's Park and the feds. Hopefully, Barrhaven or Kanata can be funded as a stimulus project.

So, if the feds were willing to foot the bill?

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

So, if the feds were willing to foot the bill?

Sure. But the Toronto-deal is where the province and the feds pay 100% and end city pays nothing. See all of GO Transit, Eglinton Crosstown, Finch West and Hurontario-Main LRTs.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Sure. But the Toronto-deal is where the province and the feds pay 100% and end city pays nothing. See all of GO Transit, Eglinton Crosstown, Finch West and Hurontario-Main LRTs.

It could be coming.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

It could be coming.

Evidence? Because I don't see any.

And, looks to me like Queen's Park and the feds have bigger fish to fry with sorting out Hamilton and London and the second phase of Ion.

Not to mention the Alexandra Bridge replacement and any help that the STO LRT needs getting in to downtown, as Ottawa priorities themselves. Also, a Stage 3 starting construction in 2025 wouldn't be stimulative to the local economy.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Evidence? Because I don't see any.

And, looks to me like Queen's Park and the feds have bigger fish to fry with sorting out Hamilton and London and the second phase of Ion.

We have no evidence that a stimulus package will be coming out. However, there is a good chance that if one does, transit will be part of it. That is why when talking about planned RT, including phase 3, it helps to know whether it could be started right after phase 2 opens.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

We have no evidence that a stimulus package will be coming out. However, there is a good chance that if one does, transit will be part of it. That is why when talking about planned RT, including phase 3, it helps to know whether it could be started right after phase 2 opens.

Transit may be part of any stimulus package. But that doesn't mean an Ottawa Stage 3, likely starting construction well beyond 2023, would qualify. Especially when there are so many higher priorities in Ontario. And higher priorities in the NCR themselves.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by rbt

I agree with him. Ottawa would be wise to finish the study, set aside the corridor, and then park the plan for 15 to 20 years to let ridership grow. There's no real urgency; neither the buses or highways are crowded at those locations. Park & Ride lots, and local bus service are a reasonably workable temporary solution for those regions.

Not a fan of Watson but I agree with him on this. The city's debt levels are high coming out of Stage 2. And going to get worse coming out of this crisis. Also, more than LRT expansion, Ottawa needs more frequent bus service, better bus shelters, better payment integration with STO and enabling new payment methods (open payment).

Personally, I think any federal stimulus money for transit should focus on bus electrification, growing bus fleets, IT infrastructure and SOGR backlogs for all cities. None of that is really sexy. But it all needs to get done. And would vastly improve the transit experience while reducing operating costs. And can actually be accomplished in 2-3 years.

[foolworm]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Personally, I think any federal stimulus money for transit should focus on bus electrification, growing bus fleets, IT infrastructure and SOGR backlogs for all cities. None of that is really sexy. But it all needs to get done. And would vastly improve the transit experience while reducing operating costs. And can actually be accomplished in 2-3 years.

This is very true. Canada actually has a lot of rail projects going on already, and all the large domestic firms have their plates full either with ongoing or upcoming work. Conversely, clearing maintenance / upgrade backlogs is exactly the sort of 'shovel-ready' work that only lacks funds to get going.