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Old Posted Dec 15, 2017, 2:32 AM
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Amazon?
Possible but not necessarily. If they were scooping up more land I’d think that’s usual for them but locking in the zoning and doing plans costs money and reduces flexibility. Money that I doubt would be spent without at least the strong prospect of a tenant. Maybe someone moving from the loop or suburbs. Or an out of town player.
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2017, 2:49 AM
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^ If they really dump that much office into the market on spec, then it's truly game on with Loop landlords. They could cannabilize the Loop.

I think they will create a new office district that will, for a short run, weaken the Loop and other markets. But in the long run everything will equilibrate and I'm betting we will have a much broader and healthier downtown, and I would argue a much more interesting one.
But, but, I thought no one would EVER want to have an office in the West Loop!
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Huh, I kinda just realized how the shape the new downtown office locations are gonna take over the next decade. Fulton Market is becoming an emerging hub to the west, while the Tribune Redevelopment in River West is seeking large tech anchors, the Old Post Office/Union Station is probably gonna be similar to Merchandise Mart, and The 78 is also intent on having some of the big tenants in the Loop move to the area in addition to the Discovery Partners Institute. There effectively will be a new continuous "ring" of offices surrounding the Loop, geared towards tech firms and businesses that want to abandon the Loop. More specifically, this new "ring" is along or close to the Chicago River, creating what is effectively a second waterfront district, after the lakefront.

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Huh, I kinda just realized how the shape the new downtown office locations are gonna take over the next decade. Fulton Market is becoming an emerging hub to the west, while the Tribune Redevelopment in River West is seeking large tech anchors, the Old Post Office/Union Station is probably gonna be similar to Merchandise Mart, and The 78 is also intent on having some of the big tenants in the Loop move to the area in addition to the Discovery Partners Institute. There effectively will be a new continuous "ring" of offices surrounding the Loop, geared towards tech firms and businesses that want to abandon the Loop. More specifically, this new "ring" is along or close to the Chicago River, creating what is effectively a second waterfront district, after the lakefront.
If this migration continues I think we'll eventually see more of the 60-80s office towers converted to residential (Imagine the bitching views a corner apartment in the top portion of the Sears Tower or 333 Wacker would have)
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If this migration continues I think we'll eventually see more of the 60-80s office towers converted to residential (Imagine the bitching views a corner apartment in the top portion of the Sears Tower or 333 Wacker would have)
You're making quite a leap to assume that businesses are migrating from the Loop to the new developments. If anything, those tenants are coming from outside Chicago. McDonald's and vendors from the suburbs, ADM corporate staff from Peoria, and if we're lucky, Amazon from Seattle. This new ring around the Loop is only going to expand the business district with some parts becoming truly 24-hour zones of residential, business, and commercial activity.
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^ I agree, but there is no doubt that these will poach tenants from the Loop. It’s already started. The problem is, the central Loop is still the most well served by transit. So if your going to expand the office zones, we need better transit connections. And still nobody is taking about this. We need the Clinton Subway and something akin to the Times Sq/Grand Central Station shuttle in New York
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Obviously took a long time for the Montrose/Clarendon development to break ground, but it’s rising rapidly now. Good to see!
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Cladding on Montrose/Clarendon is tops!
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This looks much better than I anticipated. Has the Brininstool/Lynch designed addition started on top of Jewel at Pensacola Place? Anyone know?
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^ I agree, but there is no doubt that these will poach tenants from the Loop. It’s already started. The problem is, the central Loop is still the most well served by transit. So if your going to expand the office zones, we need better transit connections. And still nobody is taking about this. We need the Clinton Subway and something akin to the Times Sq/Grand Central Station shuttle in New York
Because its so well served, I dont see major tenants with hundreds or thousands of employees leaving the Loop any time soon. I feel that the West Loop/Fulton Market will remain more of a niche office market, with smaller tenants and fewer employees. It won't realistically be able to sustain more than that. It will compliment the Loop, rather than rival it.

The Clinton Street subway would be a huge help with transit connections. The best aspect of it is that it would create a huge underground Loop for the Blue Line, allowing the Forest Park and O'Hare branches to split into 2 separate lines (which would loop around the Congess/Dearborn/Lake/Clinton 'superloop', much like the Orange, Brown, Purple and Pink lines currently do on the elevated Loop). This will allow the CTA to balance out the two lines. Currently, the O'Hare branch has packed trains while the Forest Park branch runs a bunch of empty trains. The CTA can then focus more train service for the Northwest Side and the airport, as opposed to the underused west side line, which has duplicate service with the Green line half a mile to the north.
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Another office high-rise is proposed for Fulton Market. Also, the 9 story movie theater Sterling Bay was planning is apparently 132 ft, so I thought to include it here.

328 N. Sangamon: 165 ft; 211,291 sqft of office; retail; 53 parking

https://chicago.legistar.com/Legisla...vanced&Search=

339-355 N Morgan St: 132 ft; Movie theater; 275 parking

https://chicago.legistar.com/Legisla...vanced&Search=
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If this migration continues I think we'll eventually see more of the 60-80s office towers converted to residential (Imagine the bitching views a corner apartment in the top portion of the Sears Tower or 333 Wacker would have)
Not to rain on your parade too much but the Sears tower was not built for residential purposes. Waaaayyy too much sway in those top floors than is comfortable to live and sleep in.
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With 275 parking spots, that movie theatre is really more of a giant garage than anything else. I'm hoping it has public spots
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With 275 parking spots, that movie theatre is really more of a giant garage than anything else. I'm hoping it has public spots
Yeah, the first 6 floors are dedicated to parking. At least there will be retail on the ground floor.

Also, it just occurred to me that the reason why we're seeing another wave of Fulton Market developments is because the PMD east of Ogden was repealed, so the downtown boundaries now extend up to Hubbard St for the neighborhood.
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Good to note that one of those proposals is on the site of that AmeriGas site that I had written about a bit ago asking if anyone heard of rumors of redevleopment like I had. Good to see the possibility of something like that going away. Will be positive for the Ace Hotel right there too.
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