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VIA Rail working with Smiths Falls on commuter transit
Written by Ian Sutton
Monday, 09 February 2009
Smiths Falls Mayor Dennis Staples says a commuter rail transit service connecting the town with Ottawa continues be a viable possibility.
In an interview with Lake88, Staples said VIA Rail is studying whether existing rail lines -- with added sidings -- can accommodate additional traffic and the need to add more cars for a commuter link with Ottawa and other Eastern Ontario destinations.

Staples says he’s in constant communication with VIA Rail President Paul Cote and other Eastern Ontario mayors regarding the possibility of commuter rail service, with the anticipated economic benefits to the town other area municipalities.

Meanwhile, Staples said interest has been shown by as many as nine companies in locating at the vacated Hershey, Stanley Tools or other industrial properties in Smiths Falls. Smiths Falls Council, Staples says, is also looking forward to working with the town’s newly-formed Economic Development Advisory Board.

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VIA confirms plans to relocate Smiths Falls station
Written by Lake 88 News Staff
Wednesday, 18 March 2009
VIA Rail has confirmed that Smiths Falls will be getting a new train station, though the exact location hasn't been announced.
An announcement from VIA said the new station will be east of the station's current Victoria Street site.

A location is expected to be announced as soon as this summer. The announcement was part of an update on $10 million being spent to improve infrastructure along the Via Rail lines between Smiths Falls, Ottawa, Montreal and Ottawa.

Upgrades to date on VIA's network include a $12.5 million investment in the Alexandria Subdivision, between Ottawa and Montreal as well as similar improvements currently underway on the Smiths Falls Subdivision between Toronto and Ottawa.

In addition, major renovations worth some $500,000 were made to the Ottawa station, which will allow VIA to serve customers more efficiently and will address operational and safety needs.

VIA Rail Canada Inc. recently completed $13 million worth of infrastructure improvements in the Ottawa area to provide faster, more reliable service. The national passenger railroad spent $12.5 million to upgrade track in the Alexandria Subdivision, between Ottawa and Montreal.

Similar work is under way in the Smiths Falls Subdivision, between Toronto and Ottawa.
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It was reported on the late TV news that funding is being made available to study the feasibility of re-instating passenger rail service between Ottawa and Pembroke. The report suggested that they will studying more than just commuter service as they will be also be looking at the tourist potential and whether the rail line could help improve the economy of the upper Ottawa Valley and make the area more attractive to employers in the future. So, there is the potential for multiple return trips each day. With the population of the Pembroke-Petawawa area exceeding 30,000, this is the largest community in Eastern Ontario outside of Ottawa-Gatineau with a direct rail connection.
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What is the ridership potential along there? I know service was cut in 1990 there.

Combined with extending Highway 417 (badly needed) up the Valley, it would definitely help out. Too bad the ridership potential beyond Petawawa is very little until North Bay, or it could be extended even farther.

The commuter network, in the short to middle term, should be bus-based though, with more frequent buses and direct connections/transfers to OC Transpo, with ability to use bus lanes and Transitways (until converted to LRT). Essentially, treat it as part of the same system but funded primarily by adjacent municipalities (and rural Ottawa).
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I think the purpose the study is to determine the ridership potential. When you consider the location of the rail line, which skips both Arnprior and Renfrew, this line will have to capture more than just peak period commuters, you would think. Are we now starting to see the possibility of a resurgance in general passenger rail interest? Are people starting to tire of driving on increasingly busy highways with more and more large trucks and aggressive drivers?
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I think the purpose the study is to determine the ridership potential. When you consider the location of the rail line, which skips both Arnprior and Renfrew, this line will have to capture more than just peak period commuters, you would think. Are we now starting to see the possibility of a resurgance in general passenger rail interest? Are people starting to tire of driving on increasingly busy highways with more and more large trucks and aggressive drivers?
Another issue with this is you can't increase road indefinitely while increasing rail. It doubles the costs for no reason.

I was suprirse to see a Via Rail station for Limoges in an old picture, I hadn't notice that before.
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What is the ridership potential along there? I know service was cut in 1990 there.
Service was cut because the transcontinental trains ceased using that route at that time. There are smaller places than Pembroke that have service that happen to lie on the lines between large cities while larger towns and even cities (e.g. Peterborough, even Calgary!) go without altogether. For smaller communities it's a crapshoot based on historical accident and politicking whether they have VIA service or not.

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Combined with extending Highway 417 (badly needed) up the Valley, it would definitely help out. Too bad the ridership potential beyond Petawawa is very little until North Bay, or it could be extended even farther.

The commuter network, in the short to middle term, should be bus-based though, with more frequent buses and direct connections/transfers to OC Transpo, with ability to use bus lanes and Transitways (until converted to LRT). Essentially, treat it as part of the same system but funded primarily by adjacent municipalities (and rural Ottawa).
The line is up for abandonment, so putting off commuter rail to a distant future isn't a realistic option. Either a commuter rail service is to be established to prevent CN from getting rid of the line, or the line is acquired from CN, or the tracks get lifted by CN. This isn't something that can wait for years and years. Once the tracks are up, putting them back in will be a lot more expensive and time consuming.
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The OVR line is still quite active, so it is only a matter of preserving the line up to connecting there. It should be protected, but not implemented, until population grows considerably in the Ottawa Valley to warrant such. Acquiring from CN is probably the best solution.
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hmmm, one of the reasons given for the commuter rail service is to stimulate the economy of the upper Ottawa River Valley. As it stands, it is a depressed region, and if we are waiting for population growth as a condition for bringing back passenger rail, we will be waiting forever.
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hmmm, one of the reasons given for the commuter rail service is to stimulate the economy of the upper Ottawa River Valley. As it stands, it is a depressed region, and if we are waiting for population growth as a condition for bringing back passenger rail, we will be waiting forever.
That wouldn't be commuter rail though - after all it is about 150 km from Pembroke to Ottawa, and virtually no one commutes that distance. Ridership potential is way too low as well in that direction. Starting it in Arnprior has solid merit, combined with the 417 extension and lower housing costs should result in very strong growth there.

Any rail line in that direction would also not remove nearly enough traffic to prevent any expansion of Highway 17 (which is already over capacity to Renfrew, and near capacity to beyond Petawawa).

One last thing - it is a very conservative area (i.e. Alabama North), and I don't think they want the explosive growth of Ottawa to reach the Upper Valley.
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The OVR line is still quite active, so it is only a matter of preserving the line up to connecting there. It should be protected, but not implemented, until population grows considerably in the Ottawa Valley to warrant such. Acquiring from CN is probably the best solution.
Err... OVR just laid off dozens of employees since CP has decided not to run their Montreal traffic through there for the time being. There had been some arguments on line maintenance as well.

CN doesn't own the line to Arnprior. They abandoned that in the 1990s and its ownership is now a bit convoluted. From Nepean Junction in the west Greenbelt to Arnprior the land on which the line lies is owned by the City of Ottawa (formerly the RMOC) while the tracks themselves are owned by a chemical plant in Arnprior. The line itself ends some 500 m short of the OVR tracks and are not connected ever since CN's bridge over the Madawaska burned. A new connecting track could be built however. OCR and now CN provides the locomotive power on the line.

The line to be abandoned is the one from Nepean Junction through Fitzroy, over to Quebec and back into Ontario, through Beachburg and ultimately Pembroke.

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That wouldn't be commuter rail though - after all it is about 150 km from Pembroke to Ottawa, and virtually no one commutes that distance. Ridership potential is way too low as well in that direction. Starting it in Arnprior has solid merit, combined with the 417 extension and lower housing costs should result in very strong growth there.
There's an enormous obstacle to carrying out your idea: the line (well, the land under it) to Arnprior is owned by the anti-rail City of Ottawa. Any plan to use that line would need the cooperation of the City of Ottawa and, given that no transit officials even showed up for the demonstration run last October, that cooperation will likely not be too forthcoming. Folks in Arnprior and Renfrew have a better chance of getting to Ottawa by train via Pembroke or Smiths Falls than via Kanata.
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Does anyone know how feasible a Bayview-Wakefield, Buckingham train would be (regarding turns, max speed...)?
I think that it would cost very little to set up a pilot project considering that the tracks (and even some stations) already exist.

Has a study into this already been done?

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Does anyone know how feasible a Bayview-Wakefield, Buckingham train would be (regarding turns, max speed...)?
I think that it would cost very little to set up a pilot project considering that the tracks (and even some stations) already exist.

Has a study into this already been done?

Nope, the STO admitted that it never did that study even while planning their RapiBus project.
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After taking the steam train to Wakefield, I would say that this rail line is simply impractical for use for commuter rail. The speed limit on the track is simply too low to make for reasonable trip times, and I expect that this is partially determined by the the high number of level crossings with limited sight lines and only controlled with stop signs. In some cases, the level crossings cannot be eliminated as they may provide the only access. Perhaps, speed limits can be increased but this may require automatic gates at all level crossings even if its a private laneway.
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After taking the steam train to Wakefield, I would say that this rail line is simply impractical for use for commuter rail. The speed limit on the track is simply too low to make for reasonable trip times, and I expect that this is partially determined by the the high number of level crossings with limited sight lines and only controlled with stop signs. In some cases, the level crossings cannot be eliminated as they may provide the only access. Perhaps, speed limits can be increased but this may require automatic gates at all level crossings even if its a private laneway.
That rail line needs millions in renovations, I doubt it will ever be used besides the stream train, and even there, it was closed most of last year. There is not much commuter population around that line either, which is not the case for the RapiBus rail line.
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Municipalities want rail traffic in the valley
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TRAIN TRAVEL: Trying to keep the tracks

Posted By STEPHEN UHLER SUHLER@THEDAILYOBSERVER.CA

Posted 37 mins ago

Municipal councils and interested people on both sides of the Ottawa River agree they don't want the railway tracks running through the Ottawa Valley scrapped.

Representatives of both Renfrew County and MRC Pontiac councils, the City of Pembroke, along with staff, VIPs, economic development people and other interested parties gathered Tuesday morning to meet with members of the joint rail transport committee, which has been working to get a commuter train in the region.

While acknowledging there remains a lot of work and millions of dollars in investment to make it happen, the committee's top priority now is to convince the Canadian National Railway not to tear up the 130-km stretch of track linking the region to Ottawa.

This section, known as the Beachburg subdivision, has been placed on the list of lines the railway wants to abandon.

Louise Donaldson, executive director of SADC Pontiac Community Futures, who, with its counterpart the Community Futures Development Corporation of Renfrew County, are spearheading the effort, said the news CN was looking to abandon the line within six months caught the group off guard, forcing it to scramble in order to head off the attempt.

In order to do that, she said, the committee needed to show interest it wants to purchase the rails and to get that kind of clout, has applied to Industry Canada to form the Transport Pontiac-Renfrew corporation.

"It is the threat to economic development for our regions and the commuter train which is the prime motivation for this meeting," Ms. Donaldson said, stressing it is important to preserve the tracks and not just for the potential future of a commuter train.

"It is very difficult if not impossible to sell an area to industry without rail," she said.

Ted Barron, the chairman of Renfrew County's Community Futures and the head of the rail committee, said no one wants the line to become abandoned, as once it is gone, it will never come back.

"It took a hundred years to get the rails laid down and I hope we don't lose them now," he said. "That's our life and breath."

The joint rail committee pushed ahead with this because of the tight 90-day time-line to respond to the abandonment announcement. It was hoping for both county councils to officially endorse the efforts to enter talks with CN by passing a resolution before the end of Tuesday's information meeting.

However, neither county was comfortable with this, feeling they needed to bring the matter before their full councils for endorsement.

MRC Pontiac Warden Mike McCrank said he knows this is an urgent matter, but said they need to take this back to their respective councils before they approve it.

"Here, we're a group of concerned citizens" attending an information session, he said, with no authority to make such a decision.

Warden McCrank said MRC Pontiac council is meeting Thursday to discuss other matters, so he can present this motion then.

Admaston/Bromley Township Mayor Raye-Anne Briscoe said there is no way she can support this before bringing it before Renfrew County council, agreeing with deputy clerk Jim Kutschke they didn't have the mandate to do so.

"We only have three out of 17 county council representatives here now," she said. Mayor Briscoe said she is concerned if the majority of council decides to reject this endorsement, the county would be forced to withdraw, perhaps damaging the effort beyond repair.

"I don't want to bring grief to the project," she said. "I'm just asking for the time to do this right."

The next scheduled meeting for county council is the end of August, before which the matter has to go through the development and property committee.

Warden McCrank said he feels that isn't a problem, as he expects MRC Pontiac to back the resolution this week. Renfrew County can join in later.

The idea of a commuter rail service has been gaining steam since last fall following a successful pilot run between Beachburg and Ottawa on Oct. 5, 2008, which led to local municipal leaders on both sides of the Ottawa River signing a joint statement with Ottawa city council.

This began the planning process for the project, as well as urging the federal and provincial governments to help by smoothing out regulatory approvals and seeking funding which might be available.

An online survey was also launched to gauge interest in a regular commuter service.

Harry Gow, the founder of Transport 2000 in Canada and a technical advisor for the project, told those gathered at Tuesday's meeting the interest is definitely there. Out of an estimated 6,000 who commute regularly to Ottawa, more than 600 took the time to answer the survey, with the majority of them in favour of a regular train service.

He said if done in conjunction with a nightly freight service, this can be made viable, with ticket prices kept to levels comparable to a regular bus route, with single one-way tickets ranging from $10 to $15 depending on where the rider boards the train.

To get it going won't be cheap. Based on the initial pilot project study, it is estimated start up costs will be $6.8 million in the first year, including operational expenses and upgrading infrastructure and the rail stations. In the second year the cost could be $3.3 million and in the third year $3.5 million to finish things up.

James Allen, president and CEO of JDA Consulting, who is another member of the rail development team, said this investment is considerable, but one has to remember the assets themselves will last 20 to 40 years.

If sufficient freight customers can be secured, these revenues will be of help in keeping the rail service running, he said, and securing government funding will also help make this a reality.

The exact cost it will take to do and what will be required from both counties hasn't been determined.

Mr. Gow said the next step once the body of the new nonprofit corporation is sorted out is to develop a business plan, looking into everything from auditing the tracks, switches, signals and crossings, figuring out how viable it is and marketing the system to determining the best way to attract tourists into riding the train.

All of this will have to be co-ordinated to link up to create a train system serving both Eastern Ontario and West Quebec.

"Lots of work has to be done," he said. "There is a place for regional carriers," but they will have to work hard to get and keep the business.

Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke MP Cheryl Gallant, invited to attend the meeting, said she feels this is a historic day, when the councils of both Renfrew and the Pontiac sat together to work things out for the betterment of both.

MP Gallant said the Pontiac's federal government representative MP Lawrence Cannon is also a strong supporter of this rail project and together she is sure they can lobby hard on its behalf.

The new Transport Pontiac-Renfrew was to have contacted CN Tuesday afternoon.

Stephen Uhler is a Daily Observer reporter

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CASSELMAN MAYOR MEETS WITH VIA RAIL BOSS
15 JUIL. 2009
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Casselman Mayor Conrad Lamadeleine remains optimistic that a full-service bus/train commuter system will be part of the region’s future soon and noted that a meeting next Monday between himself and VIA Rail President Paul Côté could result in several significant developments in the project.
“This is a very important discussion on Monday,” Lamadeleine said. “I’m just trying to open doors with VIA.”
The July 20 meeting will focus on possible commuter passenger numbers for the Ottawa-Montréal run and what engines and other rolling stock and equipment would be needed to carry the increased passenger load. Also on the discussion topic list is a proposal from Transit Eastern Ontario (TEO) to VIA about the potential for a regular tourist train run from Montréal to Limoges and back once the Calypso Park aquatic theme park is completed and open for business.
Lamadeleine noted that his own contacts in Québec’s tourism sector suggest that passenger numbers of up to 20,000 are a possibility for a regular run to Calypso Park and back. One of the TEO goals is to reduce the amount of vehicle traffic on local highways through developing a regional transit service and a Calypso Park tour train run would help prevent congestion on the 417 Highway going to Limoges.
TEO already has two special tourist train arrangements with VIA Rail. One is the Tulip Train in spring that provides transport into downtown Ottawa for those wishing to enjoy the annual Ottawa Tulip Festival. The other is the Highland Games Train, scheduled for Aug. 1 this year, which takes passengers to Maxville and back for the annual Glengarry Highland Games.

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Posted By ANTHONY DIXON

Posted 3 days ago

WHITEWATER REGION - In an effort to keep the dream of an Ottawa Valley commuter rail line alive, the committee looking into the project has formed a corporation.

This according to Whitewater councillor Izett McBride, who delivered an update on the initiative to council during its most recent meeting.

The name of the not-for-profit corporation is Transport Pontiac-Renfrew. It was formed in July in an effort to keep CN Rail from ripping up the tracks that run from Ottawa, through the Pontiac and Renfrew counties to Pembroke.

Mr. McBridesaid Transport Pontiac-Renfrew is governed by a board of 12 members including two business representatives, two railway freight client representatives, one from Ontario and one from Quebec, members representing Renfrew County and Pontiac community futures, the Renfrew County warden, the warden of the Pontiac, Pembroke Mayor Ed Jacyno and three charter members.

CN has listed the 130 kmof track known as the Beachburg Subdivision among those lines it wants to abandon.

Those seeking to get a local train service going are moving quickly to head that effort off. The work to bring a local commuter/freight train to the valley has been spearheaded by SADC Pontiac Community Futures and its counterpart, the Community Futures Development Corporation of Renfrew County.

The two groups are using government funding to pay for the costs of studying the feasibility of this idea.

Time is running out, as CN could begin lifting the tracks next spring. Mr. McBride said freight users of the rails have become involved as they are worried about losing this crucial link. Some of these freight users include a pellet plant at Bristol, ATC Panels in Pembroke and a pulp mill that is up for sale in Quebec. That mill could lose significant value if it lost its rail link, according to Mr. McBride.

"This is a serious economic development issue," Mr. McBride said. "If they remove that rail line, we will never get it back. There's a lot riding on this."

He said the cost to purchase the rail line is estimated at about $6 million.

Renfrew County warden Don Rathwell said the rail project will likely come up again at Whitewater council in November. In the interim, work continues on involving provincial and federation politicians on both sides of the Ottawa River.

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Everyone is feeling the pressure as the clock continues to count down.

"If we don't find a way to do this, if we just sit back and it goes, then we lose rail in the Upper Ottawa Valley," Warden Rathwell warned. "We have to think about those coming behind us, the young people. If there's not rail, there's not much future for the Upper Ottawa Valley."

He is concerned about the economic ramifications to area manufacturers from the removal of the tracks.

Mr. McBride estimated that it cost roughly four times as much to ship by truck as it does by rail, which is a concern to freight users already hit hard by the economic crisis.

Warden Rathwell would like to see some infrastructure money from the provincial and federal governments spent on this project.

"Our people that work in forestry and our farmers are suffering. Lots of infrastructure money has been poured into southern Ontario and Toronto, but there are not as many votes here," he said.

Mr. McBride estimated a ticket for passenger service from Pembroke to Ottawa would cost $15.

Anthony Dixon is a Daily Observer reporter


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If Queen's Park, The Quebec National Assembly and Ottawa all kick in to help pay for setting up a locally run rail service between Ottawa and Pembroke - passengers using the commuter system could expect a trip to cost about $15. That would make the service affordable for passengers and similarly freight could be carried for about 25 per cent of the cost of trucking. Renfrew Warden Don Rathwell sees the issue as one of prime importance to both the Pontiac and Renfrew County. Otherwise he predicts a long and slow economic decline as industries move away and new residents are discourgaed by a lack of local jobs and long, expensive commutes by car to Ottawa.
Rathwell thinks the inital cost of buying the line from CN, which has given notice it plans to abandon the Beachburg Subdivision, and purchasing the equipment to run a railway could be split among the various upper levels of government. He suggests that Quebec and Ontario should each kick in 25 per cent - while the federal government should put up 50 per cent.
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Revisiting the issue, I came up with a thought that I posted in the Rapid Transit Discussion forum that re-uses the existing Transitway (to ideally shift the LRT to a parallel alignment) between Campus and Hurdman to become a rail corridor. That is probably the only way trains could easily reach downtown Ottawa without a transfer.

I also thought of all the possible regional rail lines that could be built in the long term. None are currently warranted, but the ROW should be kept for all of them. Some of them could be warranted well before 2035, especially if population growth takes place.

A commuter bus network should immediately be implemented on all these corridors though, with full rights and transfers of OC Transpo service and with a funding agreement as part of the route within the City of Ottawa outside the UTA would be treated the same as an OC Transpo rural express route (not the case now). Fares would be the rural express fare + the locally-set fare when the municipal boundary is crossed.

OCR/OVR: Bells Corners - Kanata - Carp - Kinburn - Galetta - Arnprior - (Renfrew?)

Former CPR/OVR: Bells Corners - Kanata - Stittsville - Ashton - Carleton Place - (Almonte?)

CNR/VIA/CPR: Barrhaven - Richmond - Smiths Falls - (Perth?)

Former CPR: Greely - Osgoode - Kemptville - (Merrickville?)

Former O&NY: Ramsayville - Edwards - Russell - Embrun

CNR/VIA: Carlsbad Springs - Vars - Limoges - Casselman

(Missing link: Orleans - Cumberland - Rockland - (Plantaganet?) - no real corridor along 174/17E)

QGRY: Gatineau - Masson/Buckingham - Thurso - Plaisance - Papineauville - Montebello

HCW: Chelsea - Wakefield - (Low?)
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We should continue the commuter rail discussion here. I posted in the other thread since it requires a relocation of the LRT plans (and just a thought on how to re-use the Transitway as opposed to opening it to general traffic), but I didn't expect the entire discussion to be there.
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Aylmer should be served by LRT in the ultimate network. There is no real corridor or catchment area that could be used for commuter rail in the northwest direction, although a commuter bus along 148 would be ideal.

This would change the growth plan, since the Ottawa region could grow like spokes on a wheel in the next 50 years and beyond...and any expansion of the urban region should follow those spokes. Conveniently, most of those nodes are where the highways are as well - 174/17E, 417E, 416S, 7W, 417W, 5N, 50E.

Based on population and ease of construction, here is the order in which I think they will be warranted:

-QGRY corridor to Montebello
-Former CPR corridor to Carleton Place
-CNR/VIA corridor to Casselman
-OCR corridor to Arnprior
-Missing link to Rockland
-Former CPR corridor to Kemptville
-HCW corridor to Wakefield
-Former O&NY corridor to Embrun
-CNR/VIA corridor to Smiths Falls
Actually, Aylmer had a RR until 1991. It's actually in my backyard! The only problem is that many people now live very close to it and there are a couple of parks that are now on it. It's also used a lot by pedestrians who want to get from Queen's park or the marina to Wychwood or even lower Vanier Rd.

I see LRT going down Principale either in the median, or, in old Aylmer, on the sides (it would replace the parking) or sharing the road with the few cars that pass by there then turning up on Front St. to get to Allumetières. It would get people from the North-East, the brownstone neighborhood, Front st., Old Aylmer and Glenwood.

My dream...
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