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Old Posted Apr 19, 2021, 2:03 AM
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Hamilton’s problem is that it’s so close to the Toronto CMA that the commuter sheds blend together a lot.

People living in western Burlington are very much tied to Hamilton but people in eastern Burlington are arguably more tied to the GTA, for example.

Caledonia would be in the CMA if it was an independent municipality. Because Haldimand county is a single tier municipality, it technically doesn’t qualify under the CMA calculation methods. To be in a certain CMA, you need to meet a minimum % of people commuting to a central municipality (Hamilton). Caledonia meets this, but because Haldimand County includes areas like Dunnville, etc, which are much further away, the county as a whole does not.

Brantford I don’t believe meets the commuter shed requirements, even if it wasn’t its own independent CMA. And honestly i think it’s independent enough to qualify as it’s own city. It’s close that people go between the two frequently, but they effectively still act as independent cities.

Honestly I think Hamilton’s CMA number is pretty accurate, maybe short a bit because of Caledonia and/or Beamsville not being in it, but also inflated a bit as it includes western Burlington which is really more tied to Toronto.

If anything Hamilton should just be a part of the GTA metro area though. It’s ultimately still very closely tied to the GTA, much more so than areas like Kitchener / Guelph or Peterborough. It’s not as extreme as Oshawa is which is solidly just a Toronto suburb at this point despite having its own CMA, but it’s close.
In the 2016 census, approximately 4000 people commuted from Brantford to Hamilton, while only just over 8000 did from Burlington to Hamilton. What about Brantford makes it is own city, more so that. Burlington or Grimsby?
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2021, 1:48 PM
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In the 2016 census, approximately 4000 people commuted from Brantford to Hamilton, while only just over 8000 did from Burlington to Hamilton. What about Brantford makes it is own city, more so that. Burlington or Grimsby?
the difference is that 25,000 people who live in Hamilton work in Burlington, compared to just 2,500 who work in Brantford.

So the total commuting mix between Hamilton and Burlington was about 33,000, while it was 6,200 for Brantford. Huge difference.

More people who live in Hamilton work in Toronto than that even - 8,000 people a day get on the GO train or fight their way down the QEW to Toronto. About another 8,000 work in each Mississauga and Oakville.

In fact, almost 14% of commuters who live in Hamilton work in a GTA municipality (A municipality within the Toronto CMA). Thus my point that Hamilton is really quite closely tied to the GTA. It doesn't technically meet the requirements to be in the GTA CMA, but it's still highly integrated.

Brantford stands on its own, the vast majority of people who live there work within Brantford or Brant County.
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