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Old Posted Jan 22, 2021, 6:55 PM
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Shipping containers used for affordable housing in Dallas

Interesting. Has this concept had positive results in other areas of the country?
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I've seen a lot of containers used for housing in Germany, notably on my recent trips to Hamburg and Berlin.

Barcelona makes use of them: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...ontainer-homes
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Old Posted Jan 22, 2021, 9:59 PM
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I don't understand this, there is no way in hell shipping containers are cheaper than wood frame construction. Especially since they're heavy as fuck.
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I don't understand this, there is no way in hell shipping containers are cheaper than wood frame construction. Especially since they're heavy as fuck.
they last longer then wood. china built a lot of containers and they need to be used somehow, instead of siting around taking up space.
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And subway cars are repurposed in the same way.
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I don't understand this, there is no way in hell shipping containers are cheaper than wood frame construction. Especially since they're heavy as fuck.

Depends on the climate and what has to be done to make them livable. An 8x40 ft. container costs around $4,000-5,000, for a product that is fully framed, sheathed, and waterproofed. That's cheaper than what materials + labour would be for a comparable wood-framed structure built on site. Just add windows, electrical, and a plumbing connection and you're set.

On the other hand, if you're in a colder climate and need to add insulation you're losing valuable floor space and adding to the cost. Building complex multi-unit structures that require additional structural systems further complicate things.

So they can be cheaper, but more often than not end up being a wash compared to wood framing. The one advantage that they do still have though is that they're quick to assemble.
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Depends on the climate and what has to be done to make them livable. An 8x40 ft. container costs around $4,000-5,000, for a product that is fully framed, sheathed, and waterproofed. That's cheaper than what materials + labour would be for a comparable wood-framed structure built on site. Just add windows, electrical, and a plumbing connection and you're set.

On the other hand, if you're in a colder climate and need to add insulation you're losing valuable floor space and adding to the cost. Building complex multi-unit structures that require additional structural systems further complicate things.

So they can be cheaper, but more often than not end up being a wash compared to wood framing. The one advantage that they do still have though
Wouldn't they also heat up like a car parked in the sun in a hotter climate?

What's the sound insulation like?
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they last longer then wood. china built a lot of containers and they need to be used somehow, instead of siting around taking up space.
How would they last longer than wood?? Wood frame buildings don't slowly deteriorate over time opposed to other buildings. And these container homes would need the same amount of maintenance.

Pretty sure shipping containers still have a use, since the entire world still depends on shipping and that's not about to ever change.
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How would they last longer than wood?? Wood frame buildings don't slowly deteriorate over time opposed to other buildings. And these container homes would need the same amount of maintenance.

Pretty sure shipping containers still have a use, since the entire world still depends on shipping and that's not about to ever change.
you are talking about a old fashion good built wood house/ building, not the new cheep built houses/ buildings now. if you make a container building cheep then it wont last long, if you spend a lot then its like a car that is 100 years old thats been in a garage.
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you are talking about a old fashion good built wood house/ building, not the new cheep built houses/ buildings now. if you make a container building cheep then it wont last long, if you spend a lot then its like a car that is 100 years old thats been in a garage.
idk, I rented in a 50 year old cheaply built wood frame house for a few years. There were some issues with the plumbing and the inside could've done with a new paint job but the structure itself seemed fine.
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These things have been popping up in Boise for a couple of years now. There's a company based in Boise that builds them:

https://www.indiedwell.com


Seems like they're primarily for affordable housing:

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/lo...7-1e684928d6e9


But the College of Idaho in Caldwell (Boise suburb) also used shipping containers to create new dorms:

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/ed...5-1b4b2f768d11
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Wouldn't they also heat up like a car parked in the sun in a hotter climate?

What's the sound insulation like?

Good point, ideally anything should be insulated. Though it would theoretically be easier (and cheaper) to block sun rays than to protect from the cold.
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those will make good ovens in the dallas summers. are they trying to bake the poor? seems like opposite in cold weather too. like they would retain cold problematically. maybe it doesnt matter with good insulation? i dk.
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they last longer then wood. china built a lot of containers and they need to be used somehow, instead of siting around taking up space.
Isn't the answer of what to do with old containers just sell them for scrap to make usable new containers?

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An 8x40 ft. container costs around $4,000-5,000, for a product that is fully framed, sheathed, and waterproofed. That's cheaper than what materials + labour would be for a comparable wood-framed structure built on site. Just add windows, electrical, and a plumbing connection and you're set.
And an HVAC system. Doing all that seems like a good deal more effort on a steel shipping container as compared to doing it before you seal up the wood framed structure? When you say $4-$5k for a shipping container, do you mean full framed with studs, insulation and drywall on the inside? I guess what I'm getting at is, it may be the structure is far cheaper, but all the modifications to make it into a home seem like they'd be far more expensive than in a purpose-built wood-framed structure of comparable size.
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I think the point is that they are trying to make housing for those in need and repurpose these containers to reduce an environment footprint. There are other container structures around that are insulated and have done well.
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those will make good ovens in the dallas summers. are they trying to bake the poor? seems like opposite in cold weather too. like they would retain cold problematically. maybe it doesnt matter with good insulation? i dk.
they must know what they're doing to insulate them because there are a number of completed and in progress container projects in Phoenix. This is the latest one that I know of:

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Old Posted Jan 25, 2021, 12:42 AM
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^ yeah no doubt and that one is interesting!

i think these are much better for temporary uses than for housing.

this guy’s family business was shipping containers and thats basically what he sez too:

https://www.treehugger.com/does-ship...-sense-4854091
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they must know what they're doing to insulate them because there are a number of completed and in progress container projects in Phoenix. This is the latest one that I know of:

That looks really cool! Do you have more info?
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A few are happening in LA.

https://www.latimes.com/homeless-hou...-vignes-street


And a module hotel based on shipping containers:

https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...es-coronavirus
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