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Old Posted Jan 28, 2020, 3:39 PM
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I like the idea of "The Mews" regardless of the name. I've long thought the alleys in those blocks could be activated to create some additional interest in the area to offset the unrelenting grid.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2020, 3:55 PM
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I like the idea of "The Mews" regardless of the name. I've long thought the alleys in those blocks could be activated to create some additional interest in the area to offset the unrelenting grid.
walking into alleys in Chicago.... yuck.... but I'm sure they will make it nice.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2020, 4:01 PM
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I like the idea of "The Mews" regardless of the name. I've long thought the alleys in those blocks could be activated to create some additional interest in the area to offset the unrelenting grid.
Is there something different about the alleys in this area than elsewhere downtown? It would be cool to do this with a lot of the underused alleyways downtown, like you said it would add an interesting layer to the existing grid. But I imagine the VAST majority are still using for loading/unloading/garbage disposal... I can only think of a couple that are unofficial thorough fares without much utilitarian activity (near Chicago Theater, near Quincy brownline)
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2020, 5:24 PM
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Is there something different about the alleys in this area than elsewhere downtown? It would be cool to do this with a lot of the underused alleyways downtown, like you said it would add an interesting layer to the existing grid. But I imagine the VAST majority are still using for loading/unloading/garbage disposal... I can only think of a couple that are unofficial thorough fares without much utilitarian activity (near Chicago Theater, near Quincy brownline)
Chicago alleys are proper utilitarian alleys for garbage and such, so that we don't have garbage piled on the streets like NYC.

Garbage has to go somewhere. I'd rather keep it in the back than make all the alleys hip beer gardens and the trash out front.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2020, 6:29 PM
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Chicago alleys are proper utilitarian alleys for garbage and such, so that we don't have garbage piled on the streets like NYC.

Garbage has to go somewhere. I'd rather keep it in the back than make all the alleys hip beer gardens and the trash out front.
It would require some planning and coordination, but I think with good planning you could activate some of the alleys while maintaining their functional use, too. Trash bins are already mostly set back from the pathway portion of alleys so that vehicles can traverse. If you limited/coordinated the hours for delivery drivers, that can be managed, too. As the article mentioned, places like Three Dots and a Dash already utilize alleyways, and they're not alone. There are alleys in the Loop also treated like actual streets or at least made more welcoming for pedestrian use, with their own names, like Benton Place, Arcade Place, and Couch Place - those are so heavily traveled that there are Google Streetviews of them. Then there are alleys fully given over the being streets, like Quincy St. and Financial Place.
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It would require some planning and coordination, but I think with good planning you could activate some of the alleys while maintaining their functional use, too. Trash bins are already mostly set back from the pathway portion of alleys so that vehicles can traverse. If you limited/coordinated the hours for delivery drivers, that can be managed, too. As the article mentioned, places like Three Dots and a Dash already utilize alleyways, and they're not alone. There are alleys in the Loop also treated like actual streets or at least made more welcoming for pedestrian use, with their own names, like Benton Place, Arcade Place, and Couch Place - those are so heavily traveled that there are Google Streetviews of them. Then there are alleys fully given over the being streets, like Quincy St. and Financial Place.
Alleys are ... alleys .... they are a vital part of the urban fabric, and even the River North nightlife ( e.g. next to Rossi's ). MEWs are NOT alleys.
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As they currently are, Chicago's alleys are the ultimate gritty urban landscape. Leave them be!
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Alleys are ... alleys .... they are a vital part of the urban fabric, and even the River North nightlife ( e.g. next to Rossi's ). MEWs are NOT alleys.
Yeah, I think this is the right take. Friedman's description sounds a little more marketing speak than comprehensive plan. Like, they know having 3 dots out the back door is a marketable asset, and maybe the building makes some gestures toward engaging with the alley, but it is still an alley mostly filled with dumpsters for the restaurants on Clark. The mews through the green street building is a purpose built space that is very much not an alley
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1125 W Van Buren
Looks like a slight re-design
Driving inbound on the Ike today I saw a few workers and a Taylor company excavator on site.
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Yeah, I think this is the right take. Friedman's description sounds a little more marketing speak than comprehensive plan. Like, they know having 3 dots out the back door is a marketable asset, and maybe the building makes some gestures toward engaging with the alley, but it is still an alley mostly filled with dumpsters for the restaurants on Clark. The mews through the green street building is a purpose built space that is very much not an alley
I'll shoot a set soon but the pieces are already in place - not gritty alleys.
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Just saw a great example of this at the Dairy Block in Denver. Definitely possible to conceal the service elements (trash rooms, electric meters, etc) in internal areas and restrict deliveries to certain hours. You get a wonderful synergy between businesses on a narrow street that you just don't get with normal, wide streets - even if they are closed to traffic.

Melbourne is really the key example for this, they basically turned block after block of "laneways" into pedestrian streets with fine-grained shops and restaurants, while the main streets tend to have larger buildings with big lobbies, porte-cocheres, and other (relatively) pedestrian-unfriendly things.
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I'm hearing rumors of a'Wired Hotel' for the 1111 W. Carroll (City Tech Center) project.
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I'm hearing rumors of a'Wired Hotel' for the 1111 W. Carroll (City Tech Center) project.
This?
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/comm...-fulton-market
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I love alleys being used for things other than unloading and trash. Watching people walk down them and there being some businesses along them remind me of scenes from Tokyo.
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Just saw a great example of this at the Dairy Block in Denver. Definitely possible to conceal the service elements (trash rooms, electric meters, etc) in internal areas and restrict deliveries to certain hours. You get a wonderful synergy between businesses on a narrow street that you just don't get with normal, wide streets - even if they are closed to traffic.

Melbourne is really the key example for this, they basically turned block after block of "laneways" into pedestrian streets with fine-grained shops and restaurants, while the main streets tend to have larger buildings with big lobbies, porte-cocheres, and other (relatively) pedestrian-unfriendly things.
Basically we are creating more street level retail with this alley/mews thing. One thing Chicago does not need more of... vacant street level retail.
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I'd prefer they'd put the loop underground and turn the loop el tracks into a giant walkable path with shops and restaurants instead of modifying the alleys in the city.
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I'd prefer they'd put the loop underground and turn the loop el tracks into a giant walkable path with shops and restaurants instead of modifying the alleys in the city.
Well that would be very cool but I think activating alleyways is at least feasible if not unlikely.


But good point, west-town-brand, more retail is not a good idea. But a Low Line type pathway could offer some cool alternative routes.
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Basically we are creating more street level retail with this alley/mews thing. One thing Chicago does not need more of... vacant street level retail.
Don't you think the loop could handle pretty much an unlimited amount of retail? My understanding is that the reason some retail sits vacant is because of the price point. Neighborhood shops, cafes, and restaurants might jump at the chance to get downtown exposure at the right price point. Maybe we'd get places to buy local produce too.
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Come enjoy a nice latte to the wonderful smells of urine and garbage...maybe you will be lucky and catch one of the native homeless sleeping near you!!
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New tower Proposed

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new tower proposed in cappelmans ward!
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